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"True patriotism springs from a belief in the dignity of the individual, freedom and equality not only for Americans but for all people on earth, universal brotherhood and good will, and a constant and earnest striving toward the principles and ideals on which this country was founded" - ELEANOR ROOSEVELT, Book of Common Sense Etiquette, 1962

 
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Lest we forget.... TJ wrote the Declaration..... and Eleanor had a great quote....

BUT..... in 1962,,,, at least in the USA, "all people on earth" ???? Etiquette maybe...but when she wrote that, a certain population of AMERICANS could not vote.
 

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Thomas Jefferson and slavery - Wikipedia

Lest we forget.... TJ wrote the Declaration..... and Eleanor had a great quote....

BUT..... in 1962,,,, at least in the USA, "all people on earth" ???? Etiquette maybe...but when she wrote that, a certain population of AMERICANS could not vote.


Yes.... that and other shortcomings are why we are constantly "striving toward the principles and ideals on which this country was founded".
We are a work in progress, but what a great place to live while we are striving to reach those ideals.
 

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Thomas Jefferson and slavery - Wikipedia

Lest we forget.... TJ wrote the Declaration..... and Eleanor had a great quote....

BUT..... in 1962,,,, at least in the USA, "all people on earth" ???? Etiquette maybe...but when she wrote that, a certain population of AMERICANS could not vote.


Yes.... that and other shortcomings are why we are constantly "striving toward the principles and ideals on which this country was founded".
We are a work in progress, but what a great place to live while we are striving to reach those ideals.[/Q
Thomas Jefferson and slavery - Wikipedia

Lest we forget.... TJ wrote the Declaration..... and Eleanor had a great quote....

BUT..... in 1962,,,, at least in the USA, "all people on earth" ???? Etiquette maybe...but when she wrote that, a certain population of AMERICANS could not vote.


Yes.... that and other shortcomings are why we are constantly "striving toward the principles and ideals on which this country was founded".
We are a work in progress, but what a great place to live while we are striving to reach those ideals.
;) When does does the "striving to achieve..... end..... and the achieving begin?
 

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;) When does does the "striving to achieve..... end..... and the achieving begin?
Achievement is an ongoing process. The striving to achieve will end when this country is no more.
 
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;) When does does the "striving to achieve..... end..... and the achieving begin
Ideals as lofty and unique in the world as those upon which the United States of America was founded can never be fully achieved. But that doesn't mean they shouldn't be the goal to work towards.
 
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;) When does does the "striving to achieve..... end..... and the achieving begin
Ideals as lofty and unique in the world as those upon which the United States of America was founded can never be fully achieved. But that doesn't mean they shouldn't be the goal to work towards.
Agree.... But it is NOT a USA goal,, it is a world goal.
 

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;) When does does the "striving to achieve..... end..... and the achieving begin
Ideals as lofty and unique in the world as those upon which the United States of America was founded can never be fully achieved. But that doesn't mean they shouldn't be the goal to work towards.
Agree.... But it is NOT a USA goal,, it is a world goal.

My husband served many years in the USMC, and was medically retired....i.e. too many "purple" medals.... and this is what a prominent US statesman said....
Military men are just dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy.

Henry A. Kissinger
 

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Agree.... But it is NOT a USA goal,, it is a world goal.
The founding ideals of the United States remain to this day unique in the world. The rest of the world would strongly disagree that world has the same ideals as goals.

Those same goals arguably should be for the world, but they are not.
 

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Agree.... But it is NOT a USA goal,, it is a world goal.
The founding ideals of the United States remain to this day unique in the world. The rest of the world would strongly disagree that world has the same ideals as goals.

Those same goals arguably should be for the world, but they are not.

Agree...though are they still true for the USA?

Those founding ideas seem to be unique to us today?

Freedom of speech..... to speak YOUR mind....right or wrong.... doesn't seem to be PC in this day and age....

No matter who is attributed with the original quote.... it is still relevant ....

“I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it, this is what MY husband bled for.... and carries scars for. Sadly....he feels it was in vain. Probably worse than "in Vain"...but he doesn't speak of it....
 

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THOUGH...if you served as a grunt...it was actually force fed you..... prior to 9/11 of course
 

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Some military men (persons) are dumb, stupid animals. Some are not. All are used as pawns in foreign policy. Sometimes in domestic policy.

Can you supply the complete speech, writing, men's room musing etc. context that this quote was from?


BUT... for more info, you can read "WAR IS A RACKET" by USMC Major General Smedley Butler......
 

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Bob Woodward is probably considered a solid source of information
 
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