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"There's a very good reason reason why the oath goes:
".... I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States againstall enemies, foreign and domestic ...."
Our Founding Fathers understood well, where the true and greatest danger lay ...... at one time, many also understood this as well ......"
That is why Obama and his Justice Departments are looking at veterans groups as potential problems. They know that, unlike them, there are many out there who take a oath seriously. That many do not believe that oath ends when discharged.
It is the primary reason they are so hot to control/eliminate private gun ownership. To make their take over easier.
".... I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States againstall enemies, foreign and domestic ...."
Our Founding Fathers understood well, where the true and greatest danger lay ...... at one time, many also understood this as well ......"
That is why Obama and his Justice Departments are looking at veterans groups as potential problems. They know that, unlike them, there are many out there who take a oath seriously. That many do not believe that oath ends when discharged.
It is the primary reason they are so hot to control/eliminate private gun ownership. To make their take over easier.
RLENT
Veteran Expediter
Right - the fact is that the federal flag law (4 U.S.C. § 1 et seq) is advisory in nature, contains no penalties (nor should it), and is rarely enforced .... indeed - the Supreme Court has already ruled that punitive enforcement would conflict with the First Amendment right to freedom of speech.
RLENT
Veteran Expediter
Yup - but it isn't limited to just veteran groups (Tea Party, Ron Paul supporters, etc) ..... nor did it start with Obama ....
Exactly.
In fact, as I commented to a friend last night, that if one were to look for those folks who are most likely to have a very good understanding and awareness of the potential internal threats to this country (and our Constitution), one would likely find the most significant numbers of such folks mainly in two places: 1. in the current ranks of the military and 2. or former service members (that's not exclusive - there are certainly others as well)
I would say that a group such as Oath Keepers is reflective of this.
And I would think that the better the education level (in terms of US history, the Constitution, and the law), the greater the likelihood for someone to be so inclined and aware.
Of course, that is only half of the equation - the flip-side is that there are probably many (in the military, or otherwise in government service) who do not have that understanding, and are probably not all that well educated ....
These latter folks are nothing but potential tools, in service to the State, and subject to being used (albeit unwittingly) for the imposition of tyranny, and therefore pose a potential threat to the citizens of this nation (they need ed-u-ma-cated)
BTW, it's important to understand that when I say "well-educated" that doesn't mean necessarily possessing a piece of paper obtained formally, but at least being fairly literate, capable of learning on their own, and having done that in their life to the point of being knowledgeable.
It would probably be more accurate to just say "well read" .....
Make no mistake - it is evil men, who may appear under any political flag or affiliation, who will (and do) use the power of the State, to impose tyranny .....
Names and faces may change ..... the cast of players nevertheless stays the same .....
Which is exactly why it is necessary to ignore position, party affiliation, or seductive speech ..... and instead look their actual conduct to determine whether they are friend or foe of this nation ....
RLENT
Veteran Expediter
Greg,
Interesting to look at the history of it in the link that LOS posted .... particularly in the original officers oath, where the thirteen states are clearly enumerated ....
(I'd also be curious to know in which versions - if any - of the various oaths "united states" was capitalized as a proper noun .....)
But to your original question, two examples:
May 1777
General Assembly
At the Capitol, in the City of Williamsburg, on Monday the fifth day of May, in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and seventy seven, and in the first year of the Commonwealth.
Patrick Henry, Governour
CHAP. I
An act for regulating and disciplining the Militia.
FOR forming the citizens of this commonwealth into a militia, and disciplining the same for defence thereof, Be it enacted by the General assembly. That all free male persons, hired servants, and apprentices, between the ages of sixteen and fifty years (except the governour and members of the council of state, members of the American congress, judges of the superiour courts, speakers of the two houses, treasurer, attorney general, commissioners of the navy, auditors, clerks of the council of state, of the treasury, and of the navy board, all ministers of the gospel licensed to preach according to the rules of their sect, who shall have previously taken before the court of their county an oath of fidelity to the commonwealth, postmasters, keepers of the publick jail and publick hospital, millers, except in the counties of Accomack and Northampton, persons concerned in iron or lead works, or persons solely employed in manufacturing fire arms, and military officers or soldiers, whether of the continent or this commonwealth, all of whom are exempted from the obligations of this act) shall, by the commanding officer of the county in which they reside, be enrolled or formed into companies of not less than thirty two, nor more than sixty eight, rank and file, and these companies shall again be formed into battalions of not more than one thousand, nor less than five hundred men, if there be so many in the county. The free mulattoes in the said companies or battalions shall be employed as drummers, fifers, or pioneers. Each company shall be commanded by a captain, two lieutenants, and an ensign; each battalion by a colonel, lieutenant colonel, and major, who shall take precedence and command of each other according to rank and seniority, and the whole by a county lieutenant. These officers shall be resident within their county, and before they enter on the execution of their office shall, in presence of the court of the same county, take the following oath: I do swear, that I will be faithful and true to the commonwealth of Virginia, of which I profess myself to be a citizen, and that I will faithfully and justly execute the office of a __________ in the militia of the county of _______ according to the best of my skill and judgment. So help me God.
Remainder can be read at the following link:
First State of Virginia Militia Act of 1777
and:
In April 1776 the Pennsylvania Committee of Safety ordered General Anthony Wayne to fill the depleted ranks of his Fourth Pennsylvania Battalion with recruits drawn from the militia.(363) In May 1776 Edward Hand asked for authorization to form a special ranging company of riflemen, to consist of seven companies of specially trained men who exhibited unusual prowess with the rifle. The Pennsylvania Assembly then created a set of instructions for recruiting riflemen.
1. You are to enlist no man who is not able-bodied, healthy and active. . . .
2. You are to have a great regard for sobriety and moral character in general.
3. Inlist no man who is not provided with a good rifle gun, perfectly fit for service, and very expert in the use of it.
4. You are not to enlist any indentured servant, nor, without leave of his mistress or master, any apprentice.
5. You [, the Colonel of the Regiment, are] . . . to inspect your men and reject such as do not answer your instructions.
6. Every man is to be enlisted by his taking . . . an oath or affirmation in the following words, "I, --, . . . will to the utmost of my power, defend the rights and liberties of this Province and of America in general; and will oppose and resist any force or enemies that shall act or be employed against them. So help me God.
7. You shall use all diligence in completing your company.
Source:
The Pennsylvania Militia
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greg334
Veteran Expediter
I think that general Lee's point when he was asked to fight for the union and refused is where I was going. He said in affect that he could not fight against his country, Virginia, not upholding the constitution. I think this was the issue with many throughout the country, states were not held to the constitution but the constitution was dependent on the autonomy of the states until 1860.
The real question seems to be of we had militias as we did in the past, what would that oath be?
The real question seems to be of we had militias as we did in the past, what would that oath be?
I took that oath, still works for me.
Amen, Brother, Amen.