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God banned from VA cemetery

LDB

LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
It is my understanding that the members of the VFW, the ladies auxiliary and another group I don't recall now are all forbidden to say anything to the families such as "May God grant you peace during this trying time.". They also have closed the chapel and no longer allow services to be held in it. God will be there and will be mentioned during my father's services whether she likes it or not. Better for her to be away that day.
 
layoutshooter

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Many died and all vets served to protect the FREEDOM of religion. Anything done to prevent that should just be ignored. Let them try to be arrested for it. Take it to the courts. If the courts uphold the bans, ignore them.
 
greg334

greg334

Veteran Expediter
What happens if someone ignores it?

Not to discount the sacrifice our combat vets have made but our fight for our freedoms are internal not external.
 
OntarioVanMan

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
for now It seems to be just a policy..not a law....just ignore the policy....I mean..what can they do?
 
P

Poorboy

Expert Expediter
I classify this piece of garbage in the same category as the P.O.S. Occupying the Whitehouse. She,like Obumma should be ignored until replacements have been made:mad::rolleyes::eek:
 
layoutshooter

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
The FIRST thing that would need to be done to fix Arlington would be to get Robert and Edward Kennedy OUT of there! Neither did ANYTHING to deserve getting in there other than getting dead.
 
Turtle

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
The reasons behind it all can be found in the final few paragraphs of the "Secularism run amok" link that Pilgrim posted. The intent of "shall make no establishment of religion" was, bluntly put, all about the Church of England. The Founding Fathers wanted no part of a government run by a church, and especially The Church. Thomas Jefferson's "wall of separation between church and state," idea was never fully expounded on by Jefferson, but written in the context and time is was written, he was clearly talking about the Church of England, and that The Church shouldn't be telling the government what to do or not do, anymore than the government should be telling churches what to do or not do.

And, as stated in the above article:

This all changed in what legal scholar Gerard Bradley of Notre Dame calls the "secularization project" of the Supreme Court, beginning in the late 1940s. The justices enshrined Thomas Jefferson's idea of a "wall of separation between church and state," which, whatever Jefferson meant by it, has often been taken to mean zero accommodation for expressions of religious faith in public settings such as government offices, legislatures, and public schools. This secularist dogma has led some public officials to consider American citizens too sensitive and insecure in their own individual beliefs to risk exposing them to the differing beliefs of their fellow citizens, if the exposure is in a setting connected to civic authority. So in 1992, the Supreme Court invalidated the common practice of prayer at public high-school graduations, on grounds that someone hearing such utterances might feel discomfited by exposure to the prayers of a faith he does not share.

This kind of thinking may explain the action of Director Ocasio and her superiors at Veterans Affairs. In the name of extreme separationism, secularism, and hostility to sectarian faith -- all a misunderstanding of the Establishment Clause of the Constitution -- they have assaulted the religious freedom of veterans' bereaved families, at a time when many of them feel they most need to lean on God. This is not the Constitution our forefathers made for us. This is bad history, bad law, bad morality, and tone-deaf politics.
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cranis

cranis

Expert Expediter
Driver
Well to say the least, not to be sarcastic, but with this the WESTBORO CHURCH will not attend any funerals there. This can be a Godsend so to speak.
I respect those who wish not to use GOD in their plans of funeral, but do not take away mine to say GOD as often as I like .
 
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