Gingrich vs. Romney

Pilgrim

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As usual, Dr. Thomas Sowell brings things into focus like no one else on today's editorial pages. Sometime the best way to sort out the candidates and find the best one is to examine their records in positions of executive leadership.
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By Thomas Sowell
[SIZE=-1]Posted: December 19, 2011[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]
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If Newt Gingrich were being nominated for sainthood, many of us would vote very differently from the way we would vote if he were being nominated for a political office.
What the media call Gingrich's "baggage" concerns largely his personal life and the fact that he made a lot of money running a consulting firm after he left Congress. This kind of stuff makes lots of talking points that we will no doubt hear, again and again, over the next weeks and months.
But how much weight should we give to this stuff when we are talking about the future of a nation?

This is not just another election, and Barack Obama is not just another president whose policies we may not like. With all of President Obama's broken promises, glib demagoguery and cynical political moves, one promise he has kept all too well. That was his boast on the eve of the 2008 election: "We are going to change the United States of America."
Many Americans are already saying that they can hardly recognize the country they grew up in. We have already started down the path that has led Western European nations to the brink of financial disaster.

Internationally, it is worse. A president who has pulled the rug out from under our allies, whether in Eastern Europe or the Middle East, tried to cozy up to our enemies and has bowed low from the waist to foreign leaders certainly has not represented either the values or the interests of America. If he continues to do nothing that is likely to stop terrorist-sponsoring Iran from getting nuclear weapons, the consequences can be beyond our worst imagining.
Against this background, how much does Newt Gingrich's personal life matter, whether we accept his claim that he has now matured or his critics' claim that he has not? Nor should we sell the public short by saying that they are going to vote on the basis of tabloid stuff or media talking points, when the fate of this nation hangs in the balance.

Even back in the 19th century, when the scandal came out that Grover Cleveland had fathered a child out of wedlock – and he publicly admitted it – the voters nevertheless sent him to the White House, where he became one of the better presidents.

Do we wish we had another Ronald Reagan? We could certainly use one. But we have to play the hand we were dealt. And the Reagan card is not in the deck.
While the televised debates are what gave Newt Gingrich's candidacy a big boost, concrete accomplishments when in office are the real test. Gingrich engineered the first Republican takeover of the House of Representatives in 40 years – followed by the first balanced budget in 40 years. The media called it "the Clinton surplus" – but all spending bills start in the House of Representatives, and Gingrich was speaker of the House. Speaker Gingrich also produced some long overdue welfare reforms, despite howls from liberals that the poor would be devastated. But nobody makes that claim any more.

Did Gingrich ruffle some feathers when he was speaker of the House? Yes, enough for it to cost him that position. But he also showed that he could produce results.

In a world where we can make our choices only among the alternatives actually available, the question is whether Newt Gingrich is better than Barack Obama – and better than Mitt Romney.
Romney is a smooth talker, but what did he actually accomplish as governor of Massachusetts, compared to what Gingrich accomplished as speaker of the House? When you don't accomplish much, you don't ruffle many feathers. But is that what we want?

Can you name one important positive thing Romney accomplished as governor of Massachusetts? Can anyone? Does a candidate who represents the bland leading the bland increase the chances of victory in November 2012? A lot of candidates like that have lost, from Thomas E. Dewey to John McCain.

Those who want to concentrate on the baggage in Newt Gingrich's past, rather than on the nation's future, should remember what Winston Churchill said: "If the past sits in judgment on the present, the future will be lost." If that means a second term for Barack Obama, then it means the future lost big time.

Accomplishments: Gingrich vs. Romney
It's hard to tell whether or not we're dealing with the Romney that was for abortion rights before he was against them, thought he owned a gun before he figured out it belonged to his son, thought his RomneyCare was a model for the entire country before he decided it was only right for Mass, believed in man-made global warming until he changed his mind on that, etc. - and they called John Kerry a flip-flopper. Granted, Gingrich has his flips and flops too, but he's got a record of congressional accomplishments that none of the other GOP candidates can point to.

The same people in the elite Republican establishment backing Mitt Romney are the ones that gave us Bob Dole and John McCain - mushy moderates that these elites believe the GOP must run to attract the "independent" voters. The 2010 mid terms have already told us that's not the case.
 

muttly

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At least in comparing accomplishments between the two it might be a little bit skewed , if that's the right word. Gingrich became Speaker of the House with the republican revolution in 1994. They had majorities in both houses and Clinton was toast because he wouldn't be able to implement his marxist pragmatist agenda any longer. He had only one choice and that was to get little morsels of what he wanted,while giving the republicans and Gingrich what they wanted. Gringrich does deserve credit for the conservative agenda that they got passed. Romney on the other hand had to deal with a legislature that I think was 85 percent democrat.:eek: I mean good luck with that. :D
 

RLENT

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Ahhh yes ... the good old days ... strolling down memory lane .... nostalgia ....

.... bobbie-socks ..... malts at the drive-in ..... Bill Haley ....... the Fonz ......


Wonder what Aunt Nancy has in her filing cabinet ? :eek:

Oh ..... I'm sorry .... did I interrupt your moment ?
 
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muttly

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People who can't look back at the good ole days from time to time can "sit on it". :D
 

RLENT

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Here's what I'm wonderin' ...

How do ya all figure ol' Newt is gonna pull from Democrat / Independent side ?

Are you really figuring that 2010 thing in Congress .... necessarily translates into the Presidency .... the Executive .... ?

You really think that they are quite the same ?

Or is their a way that it is somehow inherently different ? :rolleyes:
 

RLENT

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People who can't look back at the good ole days from time to time can "sit on it". :D
Oh, I got no problem with looking back at the good old days .... but I'm also perfectly capable of looking forward to where Aunt Nancy's filing cabinet will be opened ... to be shared with one and all ....:rolleyes:

Wonder what we'll all find ?
 

layoutshooter

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Wonder what we'll all find ?

It would likely be similar to opening "Pandora's Box". You would find all sorts of untold evil.
 

Ragman

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Oh, I got no problem with looking back at the good old days .... but I'm also perfectly capable of looking forward to where Aunt Nancy's filing cabinet will be opened ... to be shared with one and all ....:rolleyes:

Wonder what we'll all find ?

liquor-cabinet-450x337.jpg
 

greg334

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Rlent,
Just wondering about the GOP and their need to reach back to "better and simpler" times of the Reagan era, did you by chance read Libertarian and Conservative by John Silveira?
 

RLENT

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Rlent,
Just wondering about the GOP and their need to reach back to "better and simpler" times of the Reagan era, did you by chance read Libertarian and Conservative by John Silveira?
I did indeed :D

I think the man, having a very keen eye, speak much soothe ;)

And ya know what ?

The future is where it's at ...
 

RLENT

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Did you read the thing on VA ballot access ?

Apparently, Perry couldn't get it together to get on the ballot and went down in flames .... write in only.

And the Newt may have screwed up as well .... evidently he had no organization to get his ballot petitions signed, so he contracted it out .... he came in with 11,050 sigs only (which is less than than Perry, who with 11,911 didn't make it) ....

Newt has to get a minimum 10,000 valid sigs ..... with at least 400 in each county. And since Newt submitted less than 15,000 sigs, each petition will undergo signature-by-signature scrutiny.

Conventional wisdom (which may or may not be correct):

"There's no way that a candidate who submitted fewer than 12K signatures will be left with the 10K statutory minimum," wrote one veteran Virginia GOP operative not involved in the race.

"I think it's less than 50-50 they make it," said a second Virginia Republican, who supports Mitt Romney.

Might not be good. Evidently none of the others (save for Romney and Dr. Paul) even gave it shot.

If Newt don't make it, looks like the names on the VA primary could possibly be down to:

Dr. Ron Paul vs. Mitt Romney :eek:

..... 49 Delagates at stake .....
 
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RLENT

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As one who is a lover of delicious ironies, I have to say the following are a couple of the betters one that I have come across recently:

By failing to qualify for inclusion on the Virginia Republican primary ballot, Newt has decided "to mount an aggressive write-in campaign" .....

The problem ?

..... write-in candidates are illegal in Virginia presidential primaries ..... :rolleyes:

Delicious irony no. 2:

Since the above is true, then it follows that Gingrich can't even vote for himself in his own state - he'd have to vote for someone else ..... :rolleyes:

And this is the putz that some figure ought to be the next leader of our country ... of the free world ?

Seriously ?
 
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