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Gastric Bypass a possible cure for diabetes?

Monty

Monty

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It is my understanding, once you become Type I, insulin dependent, you will never again NOT need insulin as your body is not producing any. So such surgery would be of little value.

As a Type II, loosing weight is always the prefered method, along with exercise. It seems bypass surgery simply for the benefits to the Type II diabetic might be a bit radical.
 
xmudman

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Notanewbie said:
It is my understanding, once you become Type I, insulin dependent, you will never again NOT need insulin as your body is not producing any. So such surgery would be of little value.

As a Type II, loosing weight is always the prefered method, along with exercise. It seems bypass surgery simply for the benefits to the Type II diabetic might be a bit radical.
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I'm a Type 2. I agree that losing weight and exercising is a better, and hella cheaper way to control diabetes. Bypass surgery is an option, though, so why not consider it if you've found it hard to lose the weight. I doubt I'd go through with it; Lord knows I can't afford it!

BTW, Type One diabetes is genetic. Type 2 is acquired; in a sense it's a lifestyle disease. It's also a Royal PITA to live with :(
 
leezaback

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if caused by lifestyle-see a nutritionist, to help you gain control, my endo doc, tells be the same thing, cut calories and excercise. Bypass surgery can be a bigger pain to live with, do research,find out the down side to this surgery and the risks.We all lead a secondary lifestyle out here and as age goes up, usually so does our weight as for the rest of the body-it heads south !
 
greg334

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Gastric bypass surgery is not an answer by any means. If you have bad eating habits now, the bypass surgery will not do much for you because it is a permanent surgery. It can often can have serious complications and leave one with a special diet for the rest of their lives.

Nutrition isn't always the answer either, some can do the nutrition thing but fail on portion size or when they eat.
 
Dreamer

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Gastric bypass does help diabetes, because with the shortened intestinal tract, you no longer absorb sugar (or other nutrients) the same.... a small.amount makes you sick.


While your body adjusts to the changed system in a couple years, you never absorb sugar the same again.


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Dakota

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I know you don't want to hear from a skinny guy, but cutting back or cutting out sugar all together, cutting back on processed food/processed flour, and not eating potatoes have helped me lose weight. From 250 down to 195
 
Ragman

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Dakota said:
I know you don't want to hear from a skinny guy, but cutting back or cutting out sugar all together, cutting back on processed food/processed flour, and not eating potatoes have helped me lose weight. From 250 down to 195
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AMonger

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Gastric bypass may have been oversold. Even for weight loss, sometimes the effects aren't that dramatic. One of my heroines, Ann Wilson, one of the best singers in the world, had gastric bypass to lose weight. She started off okay, but then hit a wall and has never achieved becoming half the woman she was before. I've seen similar stories. I think in some cases, the body adjusts, says, "Ok, this is the new normal, huh? Well, I'm going to slow down even more so I don't starve."

I've read of some experimental pancreatic implants that have researchers whispering about being a possible cure for type 1, but it's been a while without hearing anything more, so maybe it didn't work as planned.
 
T

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Dreamer said:
Gastric bypass does help diabetes, because with the shortened intestinal tract, you no longer absorb sugar (or other nutrients) the same.... a small.amount makes you sick.


While your body adjusts to the changed system in a couple years, you never absorb sugar the same again.


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Alot of good thoughts here however, anything and everything you eat turns to sugar in some form, I am a type 2 diabetic and at first i thought blah cut out all the sugar everything is great,,,WRONG!!! i have had to learn portioning as greg mentioned as well as eating more times a day but in smaller portions and healthier as a whole. The exercise thing is very correct unfortuatly, how many of us really have the time required to exercise as often as it takes to maintain good shape. That is not a cop out but in fact a reality for me.
 
greg334

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From a practical standpoint, I have to add a few things.

First Terry is right on target - almost everything changes to sugar.

The absorption of sugar comes in different forms and for those like me, we have to watch everything we eat - I'm have a fruit and veggie intolerance. My doc is still not getting it after she was told by a number of researchers there are a lot of people naturally have high glucose readings and they can't eat much that won't affect it.

Weight loss is the key to controlling type 2, exercise is one part but as I mentioned portion control is the biggest factor in our lives today. I forgot another issue - eating foods without preservatives and additives or those which are processed all have an effect on our bodies, like drinking coke or some of that sugar free garbage they pass off as healthy. This also goes for good meats and packaged veggies, processed deli meats and those packaged sausages (Johnsonvilles) especially.

With the bypass surgery, people fail for a number of reasons, like they can't control their habits or there are other factors keeping the weight on - stress being one of biggest obstacle for weight loss. It is a permanent change to your body and that change can lead to other problems in the future - it is not always a good thing as many make it out as. There are alternatives, the Lapband, stomach stapling and banding the stomach all have an equal effect for a solution.

BUT I think many miss something, bypass surgery and those others are just tools, they are not fixes or solutions in themselves. Without a solid grip on food intake, portion control (yep there it is again) and a attitude adjustment (being positive), it won't work at all.
 
paullud

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I would look at the lap band surgery instead. It is not permanent and makes eating like a bird easier.

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jansiemoo

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Greg is spot on with surgery being a tool. It's not a quick fix and there are many problems and serious side effects of having gastric banding, sleeve, or bypass. Type II diabetes is reversible. I've been reading a lot of information regarding a nutrient dense diet and there are many, many examples of people reversing diabetes, high blood pressure, and other chronic health issues. Here are some links- it's hard work, but better than getting sicker or risking surgery.

http://www.drfuhrman.com/disease/Diabetes.aspx

http://www.drfuhrman.com/success/success.aspx
 
cheri1122

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I'd consider any surgery to be a last resort, when the best efforts at diet & exercise aren't enough, because surgery can create it's own set of problems.
Also, AMonger has a point: every body has it's own internal 'setpoint' for weight - it's near impossible to get past that, without starving.
Education is your best ally. [Well, until science finds that miracle 'will power' pill, lol]. ;)
 
Turtle

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All I know is that my stepdad, Type II diabetic with injectable insulin for many years, went on the Atkins Diet and strictly controlled his carb intake. Almost immediately his blood sugar levels stabilized, and within a week he wasn't having to inject himself anymore. Things stayed that way for more than 2 years. No injections, no pills. Then, his lifelong obsession with biscuits and gravy, sweet rolls, and coconut cake got the better of him and he started cheating. A little at first, but three months later he was back on insulin and back to his old self.

Oddly enough, before they figured out how to manufacture insulin, the recommended and successful treatment for Type II diabetes was restricting and controlling you carb intake. Go figure.
 
cheri1122

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Dakota said:
Americans are sugaring and carbing themselves to death:eek:
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Maybe Edna St Vincent Millay had us pegged when she wrote "My candle burns at both ends, it will not last the night. But ah, my friends, and oh, my foes: it makes a lovely light."
We can be our own worst enemy, and enjoy doing it, too. :(
 
scottm4211

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cheri1122 said:
Maybe Edna St Vincent Millay had us pegged when she wrote "My candle burns at both ends, it will not last the night. But ah, my friends, and oh, my foes: it makes a lovely light."
We can be our own worst enemy, and enjoy doing it, too. :(
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That's a fire hazard.
 
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