Fuel Costs

muleteam1

Expert Expediter
Sometimes reading between the lines is more beneficial than the lines themselves."whomever controls the oil,controls the world" Take a good look at Marathon Oil for the past 50 years.Look at what they own by themselves and in partnerships.Look at what Country and Family is in control of Marathon and who their freinds are in the USA. If that doesn't help you understand the situation, then my opinions are just that,my opinions.
Thanks for the info on Panther.I personally have not cared for their "round trip" policy.I believe that they're all the same at the bottom line.You get more on this line then lose some on that line.Blah!Blah!Blah!



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redytrk

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
>if you arent receiveing the same pay loaded or empty per
>mile you are in the wrong place period
>
>george

OK GEORGE...We are all waiting to hear what Expediting compaqny pays the same loaded or empty,and what that rate might be.
 

dukesadog

Expert Expediter
Oh wait, ha ha ha Snork!

No one said anything about an expediting company, someone said something Regarding loaded miles and empty miles and took some jabs at the Pres. and Dr. Cheney....yeah okay its an expediting site but we like to read the stories too...this isnt going to be one of those club things is it? will I get a green jacket?

You dont have to pay high prices for fuel just dont buy it, if someone wanted to make a statement you guys could just stop in your travel lanes like they do over in europe (in protest) and block every roadway. Nothing gets a Senator more angry when he cant get to work to vote himself a new 20K pay raise on time

Incidently the oil well that is on his(W) Crawford Texas Ranch produces something like 1200 barrels a day, There are also 4 natural gas wells within the same area, I find it hard to believe he doesnt know about it(smell) but then again he couldn't name any of his players when he owned his baseball franchise. Its really okay though because he is doing a great job at eliminating unions and american manufacturing jobs . do we really need that stuff anyway? Nah.

Steelcase in Grand Rapids Michigan announced yesterday in a news conference the elimination of 1500 more jobs in the higher seniority bracket of up to 28 years in service.. total jobs lost in the western michigan area is now over 120k..I'm one of em and had to move out of state ...I'd rather buy a desk made in Indonesia by psunami survivors making .22 cents a month anyway, it still costs 3500.00 but think of the quality!

Getting back to the mileage pay....there are companies that pay very well for low miles lets say 1500 miles a week is the average, I dont get in any hurry, dont haul lots of weight. the rate is 1.15 a mile loaded or empty, there is a fuel surcharge on top of that but it depends on the Tariff.
We usually d.h regularly from Georgia to OK city every week. we make the majority of our money on accessorial pay as in yes we load and unload.(machinery) with a 48 foot van.(semi) alot of the delieveries are to remote locations...the average of everything comes to like 2.13 a mile.

This was George W Cronkitis Reporting
Have a Wonderful Tonight and a Safe Tomorrow

George
have all 10 fingers and toes
dont have any expediting woes
2.47 is a joke to pay for fuel
not in that .50 d.h. pool
yellow green blue or black
I have more greenbacks in my sack.
 

muleteam1

Expert Expediter
The Steelcase announcment was the closing of their Grand Rapids facility and a layoff of 500 hourly and 100 salaried.Some of those positions are moving to other Steelcase facilities including Mexico. None the less Grand Rapids will have to operate as a business for awhile. and so-it-goes





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Dreamer

Administrator Emeritus
Charter Member
Nuff ta make a fella....

 

simon says

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
F.Y.I. They are Big OIL, and a lot worse. This is a government of Big Business (oil), for B.B., and by B.B. and yes, the war in Iraq is mostly about oil theft (er, control). Saddam was a dictator and thug, but he was on the CIA payroll for a good while as well.
By the way, it is also true that "we" do not have enough refineries to convert oil to gas & diesel, but "they" (OIL) have decided not to build any new ones since 1985. It has nothing to do with the environment. One new one is coming on line in the future in AZ. The oil co's. also refuse to import gas or diesel- check out the latest trade deficit. The latest spike may also have something to do with the refinery fire in Texas City. Finally, world demand is high and as they restrict supply, their profits soar...
Do what you can to conserve fuel as mentioned above; my little Nosecone above the sleeper may only help slightly. I doubt it saves me more than .25%. Cummins & Bridgestone have good reports to download with many suggestions and scientific data to reduce fuel.
Keep on truckin, until you run into a blockade.
 

woobergoober

Expert Expediter
Wow, amazing how a person in the business starts a thread about fuel prices and it turns into a Bush bashing game.

So many conspiracy theories, so little proof! Yeah, great cartoon by the way, the one with Bush (Im just guessing here) burning the Geneva Convention. Thats just great. Coming from a former soldier who still has many friends in the active duty, I would like to thank you for the insult. I am guessing you probably never served? Just a guess. Could I just ask which incident/s that is referring to?

Lets face it, in todays world, without oil, we are nothing! Period! Prices are based on supply and demand- the demand has increased, the supply has not.

How can anybody say that this is not about the environment? There has not been a new refinery built in years! The reason? Because there are fantastic lobbyists and activists who know how to scare our Congress to death. As a result, nobody can get approval to build a refinery.

Why does anybody think that the Government has finally okayed drilling in Alaska? Because, skyrocketing prices are upon us, and now at least they can cover their tracks by saying that we, the Government, have done what we can. Unfortunately, it is too little too late. That drilling should have been approved years ago.

In my humble opinion, our best defense is not to plan on prices to decrease soon, but to conserve the best we can, and do not work for "gas money." My father, who has been trucking as long as I can remember, often gave me tips here and there, and some I took into consideration and even used, but alot I just threw out the window. One of his tips was to drive 60 on the highway. No slower, no fater. I finally tried it all last week. I went from 9mpg, to 11mpg. Granted, Im practically a safety hazzard, what with 18 wheelers passing me doing 85, but whatever.

Another question I often ask myself, is why anybody (mostly 18 wheelers) will not shut off their engines when fueling, in a dock waiting to get loaded, etc. Are they afraid the engine will not start again? Or, how about the semis sitting in a rest area when it is 55 degress on, with the engine running all night long. I just dont understand some things.

Oh, and one other thing. There was another comment about the Unions being eliminated. Quite frankly, those people get everything they deserve! I run 100% automotive freight, and I am so disgusted every time I go in and out of a plant. The freud, waste and abuse, is just unimaginable! You want to know who is eliminating the Unions, the Unions are eliminating the Unions. I have yet to see an example of ANYBODY at an automotive plant, actually earning what they make. The game I see, is see how much you can get away with, for how long. These people cause the prices in automobiles to increase so much, that nobody can afford them, because of their lack of efficiency.

Lest anybody think I have no clue, case in point: I go to a pick up in the Detroit Metro area a week ago. I arrive 5 minutes before the pick up time, which was for 11:30am. I walk inside the shipping office, smile, introduce myself, and apologize to the gentleman for interrupting his lunch, but that I was just checking to see if I was at the right dock. This guy looks at me, and with no hesitation, states that I am indeed in the right place, but he is the only person there, and while his lunch break does not officially start until noon, he is in the middle of eating, and at noon, he is going out to his car for a nap. Dumbfounded, I just asked him where he wanted me to wait, etc.

A couple hours later, I am out of this place. Of course now, I have lost at least an hour, and dispatch is having to call NLM to update the situation, and NLM is not happy, because the parts are actually "hot" and they need them ASAP.

When I got this stuff to its destination, I knew it was indeed hot, because when I checked in with security, and told them my truck number, they immediately got on the phone, and told somebody that " the truck you have been waiting for has arrived." With that, they send me to the front of the line, and they get me unloaded. I was told that the line had been shut down for 1 1/2 hours. So how much did that guy, taking an extra half hour lunch break, and copping a bad attitued on top of it, cost the consumer in the end. Probably not much per individual, but if that happens enough times, it will.


Scott
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
I think the current oil problems are much bigger than Bush.
Supply and demand are the driving issues along with a weak refinery
network. I think we are reaching a point where we will be looking at alternative fuels. Since demand hasn't changed at $2.00 a gallon, mybe it will at $3.00
Time will tell
Davekc
owner
20 years
 

merkurfan

Expert Expediter
Could not have said it better myself Woobergoober. I offten wonder how many bush bashers see black helicopters everywhere. If there was HUGE demand for expediter trucks, and few trucks do you think any of those blaming bush and others would turn down the MUCH higher rates we could get for our trucks? Nope. Of course more trucks would join the fleet and stablize things. This can be done with oil as well if things where allowed to happen. Anwar years earlier (as stated by you) off shore drilling (Hey arnold and jeb your on OUR team) More refineries (once you beat your way pass Greenpeace and their like). Oil is what lubercates the worlds economy, no oil and it grinds to a hault. I am afraid we are starting to see some of that now. Also what does not help is that nutcase firm speculating that oil will reach 105.00 a barrel. No one really thinks that will happen, but it did push oil prices up 2 or 3 dollars.

As to the pinhead taking lunch early to "nap" I was told in orentation it costs 15,000 per MINUTE the line is shut down. And if you where late because your truck broke down, they would be looking at you and your company to pay up. Thankfully it was not your fault. But someone somewhere had to cough up 1,350,000 bucks. GM has even made Delphi payup when they shut down a line due to no radios. (could they not send someone out to the lot with a skid of radios and a screwdriver??)
 

muleteam1

Expert Expediter
I'm not quite sure, that knowingly, The Bush family would be as disasterous to the USA as they are made out to be.After all they are"All Knowing"..HEH! HEH!..
We talk about supply and demand being the issue and to some extent I agree.But only a small extent. When the past problems (2000-01) occured,Morgan-Stanley decided to get into the oil business.They are suppliers to the east coast and the largest holder of refined fuels in the USA.When you look at those large storage tanks in Jersey probably J.P. Morgan has all of them under lease.And they're full of the magic potion.To them it's the gold rush all over again.Their contracts for fuel goes all the way to Irac. It's not just the oil companies getting rich in oil.One of the principals with the group has been paid over 10 million in bonuses.
now where does that money come from ?? why supply and demand of course.
Although holding reserves until the price skyrockets is illegal,who's watching ?? But I suppose with Bush so busy in Irac,saving the people,I guess he just hadn't noticed.

The problem with us Americans is we just don't pay attention.They,
whoever they is,decide what to tell us and we buy into it and think it's the facts..so-it-goes



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BigBusBob

Veteran Expediter
Driver
I think if fuel hits $3.00 a gallon for Diesel... then you will see Owners of rigs of all kinds start to band together and say/do something.
I've been runnin' 40 and 45 foot busses lately, and while I've been scratching my head as to whether or not to go back into the expediting business - I've been watching the owner of the small co. (5 busses) I drive busses for, pay for fuel as it's risen. As fuel prices rise, so do the prices of the charters - the upstate SC charter bus co.'s compete within dollars of each other for business - due to the price of fuel. The types of busses we run hold 220 gallons of Diesel. They will run approximately 1,200 miles on that tank.
I spent $90 in Deleware to get me back to SC 2 days ago... why only $90, 'cause it was 2.42 a gallon.

Sprinter drivers, be forewarned... gas in NYC is 2.30 for low grade, and I saw 2.50 for 93 octane in NYC. Though I would like to think that a sprinter driver would run in and out of NYC without having to get fuel within the City.

I have to wonder if I want to become an Owner or not with the escelating fuel prices... or if I want to drive for another owner in the expediting field. Being burned out of nearly $900 hurts.
The Bus business isn't all that glamorous at times, you don't have "all" the freedom you'd have running in a truck solo or team driving. However, November I was home 2 nites, and last month (March), I was home 4 nites... all the nites I was not home I was in a hotel room, or at family & friends house. The hotel rooms I'm in are paid for, I have money for meals, that I don't dig into too much - because most of my meals are free and/or paid for. My boss informed me that he's going to raise driver pay $15.00 per day, and increase the mileage rate. He's also getting 1 more bus.

Therefore... until somebody can offer me a minimum of a 96" sleeper with a full bathroom, a generator, a lift gate and reefer unit so I won't have any problems getting loads of any kinds (for the most part)... and .40 cpm... then I'm not sure if I really want to move out of busses right now and go back to expediting.

As much as I enjoyed it, the owners out there don't seem too promising or sincere - not to mention honest.

The man I work for is honest, he's trustworthy, and he runs me good.
He pays me early if I need to be, he pays me on time.
He helps me out when I ask for help.
He goes out of his way to make sure his drivers are taken care of.
He calls us on those long days, where we might end up running 620 miles when the day is done, and makes sure we're ok.
Who does that in truckin'? nobody I've met... I've heard there's nice owners out there - but seeing is believing.
I'll run 600 to 800+ miles, and I will do it safely. If I'm tired, I stop - my boss understands that we stop if we're tired. We stop to rest. We need to eat, we need to sleep. In Trucking???
Give me that 96 inch plus sleeper, and more... and I'll show you - it can be done... money can be made in trucking - by the owner and the driver, but you have to have the right equipment. I don't think it'll be long before the norm is a 96" sleeper... and once owners realize that generators save them money in the long run, I don't think it'll be long before you start seeing alot more of them either, along with shops that can fix these little generators. Once truckstops and repair shops start seeing these little generators on 3 out of 5 trucks they'll realize there's money to be made.
Why? for the simple fact that "Everything man makes can break".

an older driver once told me...
"Fuel is simply the cost of doing business"

As the price of fuel rises... the prices of moving the fuel will rise, along with other freight.

Contact me if you think you can offer me an unbeatable deal...

I'll go back to truckin' with the right equipment...

and a signed contract.

I learned in 2004 that you just can't trust a handshake anymore.

Hope all is well out there, I'm rollin' tomorrow back up to NYC with a load of 44 pallets.... uhhh, I mean people.

it's a truck... an air-conditioned cattle truck... Smile!!!
and Mooooove over!!!

The Big Bus
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
Bigbusbob wrote,
Give me that 96 inch plus sleeper, and more... and I'll show you - it can be done... money can be made in trucking - by the owner and the driver, but you have to have the right equipment. I don't think it'll be long before the norm is a 96" sleeper... and once owners realize that generators save them money in the long run, I don't think it'll be long before you start seeing alot more of them either, along with shops that can fix these little generators. Once truckstops and repair shops start seeing these little generators on 3 out of 5 trucks they'll realize there's money to be made.

I think those days are gone with todays rates and costs. You can make money with these setups, but generally it would have to be a team. Singles would struggle if they had minumal capital and any other obligations. A truck with that setup new is well over $100,000.
Unless you have a winning lottery ticket, you will never recover your investment.
Davekc
owner
20 years
 

muleteam1

Expert Expediter
The administration is in this up to their eyeballs.Every administration has been in it to their eyeballs.Anyone that wants to believe in Bush has that right but keep in mind that this is the worse case of profit taking in our history by the oil companies.
Shortages ?? c'mon guys get real. Oil prices have been used to protect our economy from inflation for decades. Is it just coincidence that Greenspan spoke on oil prices leveling off the other day??.Why would he give a hoot unless he was involved..
And yes,Bush has everything to gain from this.Big money put him there,big money wants their piece..

I've read a lot of posts regarding this issue.I've posted on this issue.The facts are not what you read in the media or see on color t.v.!!
The facts are what you see after the dust settles.and then ,maybe half of that is real..Remember the old man telling you "believe nothing that you hear and only half what you see" you should have listened.You only thought you were smarter than him...




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muleteam1

Expert Expediter
I purchased my 1st generator 7 years ago.I honestly thought that these things would be the wave of the future.I honestly believed that large players would put generators on to stop idling..Man,was I wrong..I haven't idled my truck in years.I cannot tell you what I've saved in actual repairs and fuel,but I know it was enough to pay for the equipment +++ especially the past 6 months.
I have a 96" sleeper on a KW T-300, with everything but the tag axle
it's in to me for $113,500.00 I had to add the tags after the contract to eliminate the F.E.T. another $4000.00 total just under
$118,000.00..yeah lot of bucks but the ride and convenience when we stay out for 3 months....Put it on in November haven't made money since...so-it-goes



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RichM

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
Fuel was $2.36 per gallon at the Pilot in Ft Pierce FL last night,70 miles north it was $2.40 at another Pilot.
 

merkurfan

Expert Expediter
Fuel dropped here in Minnesota last night. I drove by the station yesterday and diesel was 2.39 a gallon, this morning I pulled in when I saw it at 2.19. Crude is down to 53.XX a barrel. Maybe it is a trend (I hope I hope I hope)
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
I have a 96" sleeper on a KW T-300, with everything but the tag axle
it's in to me for $113,500.00 I had to add the tags after the contract to eliminate the F.E.T. another $4000.00 total just under
$118,000.00..yeah lot of bucks but the ride and convenience when we stay out for 3 months....Put it on in November haven't made money since...so-it-goes

muleteam1

Your above story is becoming alot more common. I usually field several calls a week from folks trying to sell their trucks.
Sadly, the great majority are severely upside down with their loans.
Davekc
owner
20 years
 

simon says

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
Funny how some want to believe whatever they want to believe! The environmentalists didn't stop Congress from passing the right to drill in Alaska- and we won't even see that for what, 10 years? Comical how one gets accused of Bush-bashing just because truth is more powerful than lies: I don't remember anyone crying about Nixon-bashing when he left office to avoid impeachment over real crimes. And yes, the Dems are just as bad- like old ladies without their dentures...
To quote old Abe: "You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you can not fool all the people all of the time." (Sept. 8,1858)
 
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