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French plane opens fire in Libya
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greg334
Veteran Expediter
Right on target. The one thing that people are not considering is the long term operation that has to follow. Even if Gadafi gives up and is hanging in a court yard of some town by his feet, it does not mean that it is over but instead we are going to see the same nation building by proxy forced upon the people by the western "allies" which may be more of an issue for the people.
Think beyond the terrorist recruiting machine to actually what the Arab thought of freedom is. That matters most when we are faced with handing out advice to a people who we know nothing about.
Wow, that's what I had for lunch, kabob and falafel.
I have a feeling that what is going on in Libya is orchestrated by maybe Syria and Iran to deflect things away from them. Maybe even getting some support from Hammas, who as a reminder have shelled Israel again but this time didn't make a big deal about hiding it. (By the way no one seems to be paying much attention to Palestine and what has taken place there in the past couple of weeks that really matter more).
We don't know who is really behind all of this, we are taking the word of the UN, France and England that it is peaceful people who want to end the oppression and human rights violations but it could easily be Hamas or Hezbollah or MEK or any other terrorist organization. The intel is sketchy and it looks like Obama did the same thing that Clinton did, get us into something long term because he needed a police action.
This could expand to all out war in the entire region if we are not careful. We have NO business there.
Sorry EnglishLady, but I have to ask, where do we draw the line? Why are the Libyan people being protected but those is Burma and Tibet are not? When the Russians go back to their old ways are we going to protect Eastern Europe this time? We did not last time.
Why Libya?
Sorry EnglishLady, but I have to ask, where do we draw the line? Why are the Libyan people being protected but those is Burma and Tibet are not? When the Russians go back to their old ways are we going to protect Eastern Europe this time? We did not last time.
Why Libya?
denny2010
Expert Expediter
to sum it up....the world sits and waits, then they rush in and do stupid things. im a veteran, hate watching big brother try to fix the things. when they have bigger problems here. but if they come out and say "lets help our own" they are admitting it. the great country that we live in doesnt want to admit anything is wrong. i can go on but this really ticks me off. we are not the worlds police..
greg334
Veteran Expediter
Because it is a safe war for Obama to get involved with that he needs to deflect from real issues (remember war is the best solution for domestic problems), he is not calling the shots so his leadership will not be questioned, he is taking things as they progress in regards to the UN resolution so if there is a mistake, he can blame the UN.
I have a real bad feeling he will send troops into Libya to keep the peace under the blue flag.
Remember he campaigned on getting out of "Bush's War" and reducing the amount of soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan - this didn't mean getting us into another war.
If I were in the military I would REFUSE to serve under that "blue flag". My oath was to "protect and defend" the Constitution of the United States, NOT served the Useless Nuts. Just as I would NEVER accept command from ANY other country, even a NATO country.
Maybe it is time for the military to "just say no" to Obama IF he puts us in under a UN mandate and/or command.
Maybe it is time for the military to "just say no" to Obama IF he puts us in under a UN mandate and/or command.
More proof that he is a coward. Too afraid to stick around and take the "heat" here. Yeah, I know, it was already planned. He SHOULD have canceled the trip. The LIVES of U.S. fighting men and women are at stake. His job is HERE. Sniveling useless wimp! He ridicules the military, did NOT have the "stones" to put his own worthless life on the the line, has NO problem risking OTHERS lives and then "hides" out in Rio when it starts.
greg334
Veteran Expediter
Actually that is irrelevant simply because this is not the 19th century and our President is not out of touch with anyone.
More proof that he is a coward. Too afraid to stick around and take the "heat" here. Yeah, I know, it was already planned. He SHOULD have canceled the trip. The LIVES of U.S. fighting men and women are at stake. His job is HERE. Sniveling useless wimp! He ridicules the military, did NOT have the "stones" to put his own worthless life on the the line, has NO problem risking OTHERS lives and then "hides" out in Rio when it starts.
He didn't run and hide, the last time I heard Airforce One is still there and still in our control.
Why in h*ll should he have canceled a trip, we didn't get attacked or get involved with a multinational war.
Whether or not lives are at risk really isn't the issue, they volunteered to take orders from the leaders of our country, which includes that president and that congress. HOWEVER the bigger issue should be what are we doing?
It is not their choice to refuse an order, it is not illegal, they are not asking to kill innocent people or invade a country like France to take it over but rather that are part of an operation and like even going from one point on a base to another, there is a risk involved.
Don't forget.. King george has $750,000 invested in Brazil oil.. obum-as* has $1 billion of our cash tied up! Just checking on his retirement funds!
By hiding I meant from the press who SHOULD be grilling him like a cheap steak.
I did not say they should disobey a LEGAL order, IF they are ordered to fight under the "blue" flag they should refuse to do so.
Not a multinational war? Looks that way to me.
I guess I am not quite as cavalier with the lives of our armed forces. If I were president I think that I would be just a tad more concerned about their lives and safety. Maybe because I once was controlled by a president and would have had to go into combat if ordered. Gives one a bit different perspective.
greg334
Veteran Expediter
Why should they? They are part of the problem too. When you depend on the press to do their job, they can't support presidents or a political party but rather be nuetral - which when you look at history of our country and the press, that never happened to begin with.
Well see that is a legal order. If this was the case, we should have never allowed our troops to fight with the Brits and French in the first war and we should have refused to participate in SHAEF and especially NATO.
Well using the concept of declaring war before attacking a country, you have to ask yourself why are we still in Korea?
This is not a war, it is an attack by different nations under the guise of a humanitarian need. Pretty poor excuse when you really come down to it - killing people to save people.
Well don't equate my approach with any lack of concern, if it was up to me this would not happen for any reason, and I wouldn't be playing the cop on the world beat thing or worrying about what the people of Europe or the Middle East think of me. My concern is if there is a need for this based on what Libya has done to the United States, if they attacked us directly and openly, then it wouldn't be an issue but until then our troops would not be doing what they are doing right now.
I think as one very good and qualified person said a while ago, there is a BIG difference between the interest of the United States and the defense of the United States.
I was NOT talking about YOUR attitude, I meant that garden slug in the White House.
I would NEVER take orders from ANY commander other than a U.S. commander. I served the United States, not NATO or the UN.
The press sucks for sure. By running to Rio he was able to insure that ONLY friendly press would be around. Just like a coward.
I would NEVER take orders from ANY commander other than a U.S. commander. I served the United States, not NATO or the UN.
The press sucks for sure. By running to Rio he was able to insure that ONLY friendly press would be around. Just like a coward.
Since this is enforcing a cease fire...it appears what do...see below...
Do we stop the rebels from going on the offensive to keep civilians from getting killed?
Great master plan there CIC....
A quote from a US General...
What happens if rebel forces eventually go on the offensive against Gadhafi's troops remains unclear. Gortney would not say whether strikes would hit Libyan troops fighting back against rebel assaults.
Do we stop the rebels from going on the offensive to keep civilians from getting killed?
Great master plan there CIC....
A quote from a US General...
What happens if rebel forces eventually go on the offensive against Gadhafi's troops remains unclear. Gortney would not say whether strikes would hit Libyan troops fighting back against rebel assaults.
How is attacking tanks on the ground supporting a no fly zone? Obama has no plan. He is just winging it. That is what people who have no idea in the world what they are doing do.