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Imagine, you are an adult, you are doing nothing wrong, just walking down the street. You get arrested for it. WHY? You had the audacity to exercise your RIGHT under the U.S. Constitution to "Keep and BEAR arms". It would seem that few people understand what the word "bear" means in this case. I guess that some do not understand the difference between 'carrying or brandishing' a firearm.

It would seem that this man's rights are being infringed. I hope that those who turn out to support him do so armed. The Constitution must be upheld and defended against ALL enemies, both foreign AND domestic.

Just another fine example of government out of control. I would bet money that the police department in question is receiving federal funds as well. The 'police state' in action.



Gun toting teen expected in court Wednesday





Gun advocates and supporters of Michigan's "open carry" law are expected outside a Bloomfield Hills court Wednesday to support a teen who they say had the right to carry a gun in public.


Sean Combs, 18, is scheduled to appear in 48th District Court to face three misdemeanor charges after police say he walked down Old Woodward Ave. in Birmingham in April with a M-1 rifle strapped to his back.


Combs, a Troy High School student, faces charges for brandishing a weapon, resisting and obstructing police, and disturbing the peace - each punishable by up to 93 days in jail.


Gun advocates believe the penalties ignore a right protected by law. Police, however, say Combs was creating a disturbance and would not cooperate when stopped with the weapon during his arrest.







Gun toting teen expected in court Wednesday - Fox 2 News Headlines
 
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EnglishLady

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I'm sorry, I know I have still got a lot to learn about this subject.

If I saw a teen with a rifle I would be be FREAKED out ....... teens/children shouldn't be walking anywhere carrying a firearm!!

Teens moods can be voilatile at best at the littlest jibe etc.

No Siree bob ...... Uh Uh no way

Its not the Wild West anymore LOL.


All in my opinion obviously :p
 
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OntarioVanMan

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One thing..the "open carry" law has nothing to do with a rifle....
people carry rifles all the time....I think this has more to do with "location" then anything...we are talking Detroit here and a teenager....
 
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EnglishLady said:
I'm sorry, I know I have still got a lot to learn about this subject.

If I saw a teen with a rifle I would be be FREAKED out ....... teens/children shouldn't be walking anywhere carrying a firearm!!

Teens moods can be voilatile at best at the littlest jibe etc.

No Siree bob ...... Uh Uh no way

Its not the Wild West anymore LOL.


All in my opinion obviously :p
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I did it my entire life. I used to walk down the street to my buddies house, carrying a shotgun, on a regular basis. This is a full grown ADULT under U.S. law, entitled under our Constitution to do EXACTLY what he did. If he is old enough to serve in the military he is old enough to enjoy ALL of the RIGHTS under the Constitution.

The officers in question SHOULD be arrested for violating this man's civil rights. Those officers took an OATH to protect the Constitution, instead they are helping to destroy it.

In the United States, at least for now, the PEOPLE are the power, NOT the government. The Second Amendment is there to insure that OUR government does NOT take control.

In England, and most of the world, the police have the power to enter a home, without a warrant, without notice, any time they choose. They do it often. Why? To count the number of shells that a LEGAL person may have in their home. To count the guns that they may own. THAT is the definition of police control over the people. The GOVERNMENT has the power. Our Constitution empowers the PEOPLE.

IF Eric Holder was honest, and up held HIS oath, to "protect and defend" the Constitution HE would be filing charges. He, of course does NOT believe in our Constitution OR freedom. Sounds like a domestic enemy to me.
 
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Here, this may help. You can add Hillary, Barrack and Holder to this list. There is NO difference between any of them.
 

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EnglishLady

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My son is a policeman in UK.


British Police cannot just enter a premises because they feel like it !!.

What would be the point - any evidence they collected would be dismissed in court !!


Britain and the United States of America use more or less the same "powers" as far as entering a premises goes.

We DO have RIGHTS aswell as Americans y'know!!

We do NOT live behind the iron curtain LOL. :p



Geez you make it sound like England has the Gestapo or something :p
 
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EnglishLady said:
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My son is a policeman in UK.


British Police cannot just enter a premises because they feel like it !!.

What would be the point - any evidence they collected would be dismissed in court !!


Britain and the United States of America use more or less the same "powers" as far as entering a premises goes.

We DO have RIGHTS aswell as Americans y'know!!

We do NOT live behind the iron curtain LOL. :p



Geez you make it sound like England has the Gestapo or something :p
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I think, that if you ask your son, he will tell you that, in the case of gun and ammunition inspections, I am correct. That is, unless those particular laws have been changed since I left England in 1981. I knew several American's and Brits, whose homes were entered, without warrant, to count guns and/or ammunition. It was, at least at that time, standard procedure.

In England you have to ask permission to own a gun, the Crown reserved the right, to 'check' on those guns, and ammo, without warrant.

No, I know that in most other cases that entry laws by police are similar between the U.S. and England. I am speaking ONLY about gun laws and how they affect those searches.

You have to remember that when the U.S. threw out the Crown during our Revolution we did so to give MORE power to the People. Private, un-infringed firearms ownership is just ONE of the things we fought for.

Our countries are similar but had very distinct differences. What we see as freedoms are different that what other countries see as freedoms are quite differnet. Our histories are similar but we took a different turn in 1776.

Check with your son. I would be interested to see if the laws have been loosened since I left.

On a side note, London ALMOST did NOT get the summer games. They had to 'suspend' certain gun laws to allow for the shooting events. I understand, but could be wrong, that no one under the age of 18 is going to be allowed to watch the shooting. Have you heard anything on that?
 
EnglishLady

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No sorry you are not correct .......

Simple reason being that if they found extra ammo or the murder weapon or whatever ..... they could NOT use it in court as evidence without a warrant.
It would be a total waste of resources.

Now if they had a report of someone doing someone harm in say a house, or the police could see through the window that someone was kicking the heck out of someone on the floor - that would be a different matter ........... the same would be done in the U.S. too funnily enough :rolleyes:
 
scottm4211

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Powers of entry

When can the police enter and search

Police can only enter premises without a warrant if a serious or dangerous incident has taken place.

Situations in which the police can enter premises without a warrant include when they want to:

deal with a breach of the peace or prevent it
enforce an arrest warrant
arrest a person in connection with certain offences
recapture someone who has escaped from custody
save life or prevent serious damage to property.

http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/england/law_e/law_legal_system_e/law_police_e/police_powers.htm

But then again I don't live there so it's really none of my concern.
 
OntarioVanMan

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an 18 yr old walking down a Detroit St.would infringe on MY right to be secure of person....where is my rights?
There is a duty of the officers to protect the public, whilst maintaining the rights....
 
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EnglishLady said:
No sorry you are not correct .......

Simple reason being that if they found extra ammo or the murder weapon or whatever ..... they could NOT use it in court as evidence without a warrant.
It would be a total waste of resources.

Now if they had a report of someone doing someone harm in say a house, or the police could see through the window that someone was kicking the heck out of someone on the floor - that would be a different matter ........... the same would be done in the U.S. too funnily enough :rolleyes:
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I think you missunderstand what I mean. It is NOT in a murder, or any other kind of investigation. It is ONLY to insure that the proper number and the correct guns are in the home, AND, within certain limits, the amount of ammunition. When I got my shotgun ownership permit I had to turn in the serial number of every one I owned and give an estimate of the amount of shells I had. That was relaxed part way into my stay to ammunition for rifle and pistol only.

Again. I left in '81. I would like to know if those laws have been relaxed.

ANY who, I am of to the gun store to buy a few things. I am also buying a gun off of a friend latter this week. I will FINALLY have my backup shotgun!
 
scottm4211

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Are they still beheading people in England? Does anyone know if they've relaxed those laws?
 
Monty

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There must be a bit more to this story than reported. If you watched the video with this story, there were multiple weapons being carried, and displayed.

Me thinks it was more a case of him being cantankerious with the police.
 
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