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[tigerpaw143444]

I read alot here and do not post much but I met the fonders of the site at the truck show and desided to post more. I found them to be nice and I wanted to do more here.
First off I am sorry for all I am going to say. I have alot of things that ppl are not going to like. But then I have the freedom to post. That is wonderful.
I was somewhat upset at all the uproar over the Expedite Soultions thread. Everyone has a right to say and feel differently about a comp. and tell ppl about it.
Arky you said that u were not happy aobut Conway being next to ES at truck show. OK why does it matter to u??? Is it ur buisness who that company shares a booth with? U own stock?
Weave my man u are the worest of the lot. First u said that u did not like small fleets or a comp that has a too many trucks of a small fleet on with them. Ok ur option. U think a huge company that is unjust to its drivers is better than a small fleet that has more one on one? Then u did a little scenario about the owner oper getting messed over becuase of favortism. So no owner oper get any favortism with a comp????? I think that this is a plus for new driver who would go into a program like es. They could get the help out they needed and learn the way things work.
THEN you go on to say the Angela is useing this thread to pormote her comp. DID I MESS SOMETING????????? It was Pelican that started this thread and everyone started bashing ES so Angela had to come in and ACTUALLY answer the questions that were asking. SO how is that Angela's falut???????? Then you just close the tread??????????
Man that is so uncool.
I got one question for Angela though. Ok girl after ur drivers get there one year over do they get an extra 1%? After 2 does it go up again?

til next time

 

[RichM]

Yes you have the freedom to post your comments here, However attacks against members of the forum such as Arky and Weave will not be tolerated.These are good guys posting their comments based on EXPERIENCE. If someone thinks the ES postings are out of line they have that right to say what they feel, as you have the right to disagree. Stay away from the personal stuff and all is OK. If Tony got to this post before me man oh man,your ears would turn red LOL. Just joking,welcome to the site,we encourage debates and all are welcome.

 

[mcbride]

Tigerpaw,

Being a former lurker and “non-poster” , I can truly relate to your past apprehensions about posting to this forum. I think, however, you may have just jumped into the fire right out of the frying pan. -LOL- I have been known to walk among the hot ambers myself as I have a few comments about your post.

First, you indicate that Arky was unhappy about ES being next to the Con-Way booth...

>Arky you said that u were not happy aobut Conway being next to ES at truck show.

His exact words were:

>>What bothers me the most about them is that ConwayNow has recently popped up to the one of the top 3 on my list of carriers and this Expedite Solutions booth was set up right in front of a ConwayNow truck at the show.

I am sure you noticed that I posted as well in this thread. I, too, expressed some curiosity about the apparent relationship between Con-Way and Expedite Solutions. My husband and I have driven for Con-Way Now for almost three years and it does matter to us what other companies they align themselves with. Arky has been in contact with us regarding our experiences with Con-Way in an effort to make a decision as to what company he wants to sign on with. As my post indicated, we weren’t aware of the existence of the company, Expedite Solutions, and we even thought they were with the Con-Way booth! Con-Way has had an influx of recruiters within the last couple of months so at first we just thought the young woman in front of the Con-Way truck was a new recruiter. My husband introduced himself and I, as Con-Way drivers, and it wasn’t until she replied that she was with Expedite Solutions and not a recruiter for Con-Way that we realized we weren’t at the “official” Con-Way Now booth. Now given that we were confused, it is understandable to me why others who weren’t already with Con-Way Now were confused. I think it is very fair to say that their respective booth placements at the MATS did depict the two companies as one. I also think it is fair to say as owner operators leased with Con-Way, and ALL POTENTIAL owner operators who are considering a lease with Con-Way, we have a logical/justified interest in what “other” companies Con-Way aligns with. So, in response to your inquiry:

>Is it ur buisness who that company shares a booth with? U own stock?

I say, yes, it is my business and anyone else’s who has or is considering to lease with Con-Way. Owning stock? YES, we have stock in Con-Way! Perhaps not in the sense you may be implying...being owner operators leased with them is our one and only share of stock. This fact is precisely why we are concerned about the relationship between Expedite Solutions and Con-Way... BECAUSE we only have ONE “share” and their drivers as majority “stock holders” can feasibly have MANY “shares”. If you know anything about business, you do know that the more shares you have the more POWER and INFLUENCE you have. You have heard of the majority rules haven’t you? Put simply, if Con-Way has 100 “d” units leased on with them and 25 of them are leased on with them through Expedite Solutions, they retain 25% of the entire stock. Now you combine their 25% interest with other fleet companies that have trucks leased on with Con-Way, like the Housworth’s for example. Let’s just say for the sake of argument they only have 25 trucks leased on with Con-Way...now they have a 25% interest...where does that leave us 1% share holders? Do you think that Con-Way would give a rat’s ##### if we said we had intentions of pulling our truck from the company? Not a chance....BUT what do you think would happen if Expedite Solutions says if our trucks don’t get more loads, better loads, longer loads... we are taking our 25 trucks elsewhere? It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that Con-Way, or any other carrier for that matter, will make concessions for majority holding fleet owners. Logically, the fleet owners are “majority” stock holders and majority rules. It is true fleets are a part of all expediting companies but owning a 25 truck fleet with a company with 300 units compared to a company that has 900 units certainly determines the fleet owners overall influence upon the company.
You ask:

> So no owner oper get any favortism with a comp?????

Well, hell yes!! Many do! This is hard enough for us one truck owner operators out here to deal with, now add 25 more trucks to the equation that are given preferential treatment too!

You say:

>I think that this is a plus for new driver who would go into a program like es.

So do we. We didn’t know which way to turn when we started in this business. We read as much as you could find back then on expediting and happened on a wonderful “owner” (one truck) that taught us the ropes. We drove for a year for him before buying our own truck. Expediter Solutions along with the Housworth’s company, have given opportunity to so many. I certainly can’t and won’t fault them for having fleets. However, you have to be realistic about the power of persuasion these fleet owners have.

>It was Pelican that started this thread and everyone started bashing ES so Angela had to come in and ACTUALLY answer the questions that were asking. SO how is that Angela's falut????????

I didn’t see Angela being accused of anything nor is anything her fault. She does an excellent job of representing Expediter Solutions. She is obviously very knowledgeable. We have talked for years about why this type of training hasn’t been available for the expediter. We figured the rationale used by expediter companies for not providing trucks or training was because expediting is owner operator based not company driver based. “Big truck” companies with company drivers have been providing schooling/training with contingency contracts for years....but there are no expediter companies that do....WHY ? Because then they would be providing company drivers! We had no idea that expediter carriers would align themselves with a business of this nature. We thought that it could raise conflict of interests issues. Time will tell. I suspect that Expediter Solutions will not be the “only game” in town forever.

With regard to weave:

>Then you just close the tread?????????? Man that is so uncool.

As a moderator, weave has all the right to close a thread. Maybe, he deemed what you acknowledged already...the thread was heading off track and in an unproductive way. However, his closing post didn’t indicate to me that he was closing the thread to be mean or unfair to anyone!

>Thanks Angela and everyone else. I'm going to close this thread on a an even happier note..

I am not trying to incite a war here. -lol- Just expressing my opinions too.



mcbride-
--What goes around comes around--

 

[RichM]

McBbides way to go,couldn!t have said it better.

 

[pelicn]

WOW!

It was I that started the thread about Expedite Solutions. I asked the questions to begin with. I am not a moderator but I thought the thread was an excellent discussion by those that participated. I thought it was good that those who knew alot more than I do, answered questions, and ASKED questions that I wouldn't know to ask. I feel that Angela did an excellent job, in a professional manner, answering those hard questions that I didn't even know to ask.
As far as the thread being locked, as a moderator on another board, I can attest to the fact that whenever a thread is locked someone gets upset, but that's part of the job.
Have a good Easter everyone!:7

 

[Lawrence]

You are free to post - however, please keep in mind that we have terms of use that all members agreed to when they joined our community.

Also, remember - EO reserves the right to remove offensive or inappropriate messages.

Over the past 5 + years this has only happened a dozen times or so - if that.

It is a community and we are grateful that most people respect that.

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[tigerpaw143444]

ur post holds very good points McBride

I do understand were u are coming from with ur statements.
Not that I agree 100% but I do understand what u are saying. It is nice that u come to the defence of ur friends. That is honorable. Thank u for readding what I said. I do not think u understood exactly want I was going for 100%.
Reguardless of all that I am glad to have ur responce.

 

[Weave]

Hi Tigerpaw,


I'm sorry I took so long to respond to you, but I was on the road. I want to point out something you might not be aware of in this posting:

http://www.expeditersonline.com/dcforum/DCForumID2/825.html

This posting was made prior to the one titled "Expedite Solutions" and thus my involvement with the subject was not started by Pelicn's post. Let me make it clear I have never violated anyone's freedom to post unless they pushed the rules WAY out of line of EO's posting agreement.
Not to knock Angela, but her posting there "Please Help the Newcomers" has all the ingredients of advertising, including a link to their own website. (Advertise: v. intr. To call the attention of the public to a product or business.)
It could have been removed, but it looked to be freindly and I did not know this person thus I let it go. No harm done, I think everybody made their point except for you. I'm not sure what point you are trying to make in defense to Expedite Solutions when you stated yourself in a message on EO last September, "Right now I drive for FECC under this owner and am trying to find a new one who pays more than 57%."
Would you be happy driving for 48%?
Take Care Tigerpaw,
-Weave-

 

[Angela]

Teams rcv a 1% pay increase after 3 mos, 6 mos & 9 mos. At the one year mark they will have a schedule sit down mtg with the general manager and discuss what they are looking for as far as their career & personal goals. Honestly it is up to him & the team as to where they go from there. I do know we are small enough that he can be flexible and keep an open mind, but big enough that he can offer some perks or options that others cannot.

I apologize for not getting back to you sooner. I have steered clear of the forum for awhile, people thought I was advertising and I didnt want to rock the EO boat so to speak.

I appreciate your interest. Have a great one.

 

[Angela]

In my defense someone approached me at the MATS and said that he had responded to the Newcomers msg and he suggested I email them my name & info on how to get ahold of me because they were looking for that info. In hind-sight it does seem like advertisement. I think I may have delt with this just before you closed the other post, but I was really only trying to answer questions.

 

[Weave]

You actually got me on a technicality Angela When I checked our forum user agreement, there was nothing there that said you couldn't advertise on the forums. So I'll put my tail between my legs and admit I was wrong. I had been on the understanding that Lawrence did not want advertising on the forums, which is the case, but we did not have it in the agreement. It is going to be added to the agreement however. We just ask that any direct solicitation for jobs, trucks, etc be placed in the free EO classified section. You are as always more than welcome to answer anyone's questions on the forums.
Thanks!
-Weave-

 

[teacel]

Edited and applied corrections sorry for all the typos DA!!!



>I read alot here and do not post much but I met the fonders
>of the site at the truck show and desided to post more. I
>found them to be nice and I wanted to do more here. That is real nice of you to complement the BIG GUY & DEB, but I don’t quite understand what them being nice has to do with you sharing your knowledge and experiences with newbie’s. You should want to do that even if they weren’t nice. Just like you posted below about the ES program helping newbie’s
>First off I am sorry for all I am going to say.If you knew ahead to time you may say something that was going to spark negative feeling in someone why say your going to be sorry for it? Either don’t say it, or tell it like it is if you feel in your heart you are speaking the truth. Sounds like a word game when you use those types of terms before hand I have alot
>of things that ppl are not going to like.This is what I mean. The above sentence could have been left out. But then I have
>the freedom to post.Yes you do!!! But you should be respectfull and use tact That is wonderful.So it is
>I was somewhat upset at all the uproar over the Expedite
>Soultions thread. Everyone has a right to say and feel
>differently about a comp. and tell ppl about it.Are you the owner of this company? Of coarse not! You’re a driver wanting to get away from them because in your own words they don’t pay enough money (in another post). Just like you ask Arky below, why should it matter to him, or be any of his business who Con-Way shares a both with, why should it make you so irate that people don’t like ES or what ES is doing?
>Arky you said that u were not happy aobut Conway being next
>to ES at truck show. OK why does it matter to u??? Is it
>ur buisness who that company shares a booth with? U own
>stock?I think if you would have been reading as much as you claim above, you would have known CW was one of his choices and was seeking info on weather or not ES is in fact in bed with CW. WHY??? Well for one! Depending on the relationship of the 2 it could be a very clever way a company (A High Roller in expedite claming not to have any company drivers)can hide their very own company drivers. Now PLEASE READERS Don’t go thinking I am saying CW has company drivers. I mearly stated that was a good reason for investigating a relationship of an expedite company, and a fleet company leasing to that company.(JUST MY OPINION) I will not elaborate on that issue for it would take a whole new thread
>Weave my man u are the worest of the lot. First u said that
>u did not like small fleets or a comp that has a too many
>trucks of a small fleet on with them. Ok ur option. U
>think a huge company that is unjust to its drivers is better
>than a small fleet that has more one on one?I think you are asking Weave a question here, so I won’t say much. I would though, like to know if you think that huge companies are unjust to their drivers that don’t come from fleets? Then u did a
>little scenario about the owner oper getting messed over
>becuase of favortism. That has been known to happen! What if you were an O/O and was 1st out then a driver working for the same company but leased on through a small fleet comes into the area after you’ve been there 2 days gets dispatched out with-in a hour and your still sitting there holding down the parking lot? How would you feel? So no owner oper get any favortism
>with a comp?????Lots of O/O’s get favors! Especially the friends of the dispatchers. They say if you want miles kiss up to the dispatchers and you can live high of the hog, or are you still that green and naive of the things behind the sense? I think that this is a plus for new driver
>who would go into a program like es.I don’t think anyone was arguing weather or not ES was good or bad for people. If I’m not mistaken wasn’t the thread mainly on the money end of it. Didn’t Weave stress in his post and point out that there was a cheaper way to get a B-CDL, then the thread spun to ES being a profiteer and an O/O with 2 or 3 or 4 trucks would give a driver a better deal. Didn’t you infact look for another company that paid more money? They could get the
>help out they needed and learn the way things work. You are correct. They can get the help, and can learn the way, ONLY the basics. Do you think any company is going to teach you or any driver the ropes, the behind the sense action, or are they going to take the time to show you all the tricks and tips of a real O/O and what it really takes to be a profit making expediter? Did anyone from ES or any other leasing company, Lets see who else leases… AB does, don’t they? Did any leasing company ever go out with any of the drivers leasing their trucks and show the new driver the real deal? I don’t think so
>THEN you go on to say the Angela is useing this thread to
>pormote her comp. DID I MESS SOMETING????????? Yes you did! You missed another thread where Angela slid right in and took the perfect opertunity to advertise ES fully. I wouldn’t expect you to even look for anyone doing things like that. That is why there are Moderaters and Admit people. I too like Weave was going to delete it, but there was some behind the sense talk that went on and we decided to leave it. EO and many Internet sites are totally advertisement driven and are loyal to their advertisers. So why should Joe Blow place an ad in the forum for free and XY &Z have to pay? I believe Angela sees what took place and understands the deal. It was
>Pelican that started this thread and everyone started
>bashing ES so Angela had to come in and ACTUALLY answer the
>questions that were asking. SO how is that Angela's
>falut???????? Does Fed-Ex, or Con-Way, or Express 1 come running to the forum every time someone posts or bashes them? Then you just close the tread?????????? If he didn’t close it, I would have because things were getting way off track, and ES was again getting free advertisement.
>Man that is so uncool. I think it was very cool, and the timing couldn’t have been any better.
>I got one question for Angela though. Ok girl after ur
>drivers get there one year over do they get an extra 1%?
>After 2 does it go up again? I may be on the wrong track here in my thinking but I think that question from you to Angela was very vindictive! WHY! Because you of all people working for ES as a driver, for what…2 years now! either knows the answer or could have called her at her office and had a one on one. I think you opened the door to let her throw out more info. I will remove anymore ads in this forum starting now – 4/17/04 from ANYONE that is not a paying sponsor. Nice try!!! Here is the office # 888.862.9831 anyone would be more than glad to talk to you about placing an ad on EO. Or go to the top of the page an advertisement link is also provided.
>
>til next time Ya!!! Till next time LOL

 

[guest]

Thx to all of those who have defended Weave and myself. Tony, I don't think I could have explained my reasons for the concerns about Conway and ES better myself.

In retrospect, I did call ES a rip-off. I do apologize for that. I have no way of knowing whether they are or not. I feel that as long as they follow through with whatever agreement you make with them, then they aren't a rip-off. I do however feel that a person has other options for entering the industry that will pay better.

I had a much longer post written here, but I'm not interested in getting another "match" started. I like these forums and have been very impressed with not only the accurate and open advice given here for free, but also the friendly atmophere. I woud really hate for that to change.

Thx, Arky

 

[Angela]

Tony, I wasnt aware that this is an ES driver. My apologies.

 

[teacel]

Hi Angela,

Your apology is modish and accepted in good stance, but not necessary. I know you understand the theme of things here on the forum. Hope you ponder the power this site has and deem my previous post.

 

[romoore245]

im new to EO but i am famliar with both of the compaines in this thread, in fact it was my truck at the show. The ES company is good to their employees they have been great for a couple that had nothing to get started with, get experience and eventually buy a truck. We talked with every freightliner across america they want 2 yrs exp and 40 percent down. ES wanted a one year contract and minium down after the year on a truck. We talked with others that planned to mortage their home buy a truck and go for it, thats great if they like it, if not they would be stuck with a truck loosing value daily and a mortage. ES gives people with no experience a chance to get thier feet wet, or even try five different compaines if they want to. Conway has no exclussions with ES. We have to do with what we have to do it with, a year ago it was nothing, today its moore, thanks to ES and Conway Now.