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ThibodeauxBayou
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>So then I am assuming that the list was nothing more than
>record keeping for performance evaluation?
Record keeping yes. But once all that text is placed onto an excel spreadsheet it becomes data. Data has many uses.
>record keeping for performance evaluation?
Record keeping yes. But once all that text is placed onto an excel spreadsheet it becomes data. Data has many uses.
"But once all that text is placed onto an excel spreadsheet it becomes data. Data has many uses."
Just because you have the data does not mean you have carte blanche to use it as you see fit. The fact that you collected it, organized it, and have it in your possession is irrelevant, regardless of how hard you pat yourself on the back for accomplishing the feat. Credit card companies and merchants have learned this lesson hard. Yes, the data has many uses, but it's all in how you use it that defines the ethics and legalities of doing so.
Slow and steady, even in expediting, wins the race - Aesop
Just because you have the data does not mean you have carte blanche to use it as you see fit. The fact that you collected it, organized it, and have it in your possession is irrelevant, regardless of how hard you pat yourself on the back for accomplishing the feat. Credit card companies and merchants have learned this lesson hard. Yes, the data has many uses, but it's all in how you use it that defines the ethics and legalities of doing so.
Slow and steady, even in expediting, wins the race - Aesop
mrgoodtude
Not a Member
Talking about a post coming full circle...
I might add survival of the fittest and shame on the non adaptable..
I am sure everyone here would love wait for the beep that perfects our vision.
I guess what I don't see why a non involved sort would be concerned about the rights of big biz and the liability of like folk playing fair..
Enterprise
and I am sorry but if you effect my livelihood and I can gain an edge I will.
Big Biz don't care about you unless you have a synergy.
That's life.
3 choices.
Create an edge and compete, die or join the team..
What did he do wrong?
Mike
I might add survival of the fittest and shame on the non adaptable..
I am sure everyone here would love wait for the beep that perfects our vision.
I guess what I don't see why a non involved sort would be concerned about the rights of big biz and the liability of like folk playing fair..
Enterprise
and I am sorry but if you effect my livelihood and I can gain an edge I will.
Big Biz don't care about you unless you have a synergy.
That's life.
3 choices.
Create an edge and compete, die or join the team..
What did he do wrong?
Mike
What he may have sone wrong was using information gained in the course of his contract with a carrier to compete with that carrier. If he signed a contract containing a noncompete claise, it looks like he's violated it.
Spreadsheets & lists are irrelevant - what matters, as Turtle said, is how you USE the information, not how you sort it.
Spreadsheets & lists are irrelevant - what matters, as Turtle said, is how you USE the information, not how you sort it.
"I guess what I don't see why a non involved sort would be concerned about the rights of big biz and the liability of like folk playing fair.."
Well, first of all, just because it's big biz doesn't mean it's OK. But mainly, it's not about the rights of big biz or the liability. It's about professionalism, about having ethics, principles, integrity. It's about doing what is right.
Enterprise
NCC-1701 Interesting.
"and I am sorry but if you effect my livelihood and I can gain an edge I will."
But where will you draw the line? An edge is one thing, but you can't keep moving the Line of Integrity around. Once you've crossed it, you've crossed it, and it cannot be justified, no matter how you spin it. There are ways to gain an edge without tossing your integrity under the bus. The Golden Rule applies. Either you have integrity, or you don't. It's really just that simple.
Morality is doing what is right no matter what you are told.
Religion is doing what you are told no matter what is right.
Merry Christmas everybody! http://www.smileyarena.net/Library/packs/yahoo/default/wave.gif
Well, first of all, just because it's big biz doesn't mean it's OK. But mainly, it's not about the rights of big biz or the liability. It's about professionalism, about having ethics, principles, integrity. It's about doing what is right.
Enterprise
NCC-1701 Interesting.
"and I am sorry but if you effect my livelihood and I can gain an edge I will."
But where will you draw the line? An edge is one thing, but you can't keep moving the Line of Integrity around. Once you've crossed it, you've crossed it, and it cannot be justified, no matter how you spin it. There are ways to gain an edge without tossing your integrity under the bus. The Golden Rule applies. Either you have integrity, or you don't. It's really just that simple.
Morality is doing what is right no matter what you are told.
Religion is doing what you are told no matter what is right.
Merry Christmas everybody! http://www.smileyarena.net/Library/packs/yahoo/default/wave.gif
greg334
Veteran Expediter
Turtle,
Am I wrong in assuming that what ever is needed to be done to make a buck is ethical by Mike's statement?
I mean ok, let's cross that line and I will write letters to all the places that I made pickups and deliveries to in order to see if I can drum up business for my new carrier and me.
Since I am going to do that, I will also start calling carriers and complaining about their contractors who I see at the pick ups and deliveries, telling them that they cut me off or what ever to lessen the competition.
What's next?
Flatting tires at the customer's location to show that the contractor and carrier can’t fulfill their obligation?
Or dumping sugar in the fuel tank while the truck is parked or while they are in the truck stop taking a wizzzz?
Am I wrong in assuming that what ever is needed to be done to make a buck is ethical by Mike's statement?
I mean ok, let's cross that line and I will write letters to all the places that I made pickups and deliveries to in order to see if I can drum up business for my new carrier and me.
Since I am going to do that, I will also start calling carriers and complaining about their contractors who I see at the pick ups and deliveries, telling them that they cut me off or what ever to lessen the competition.
What's next?
Flatting tires at the customer's location to show that the contractor and carrier can’t fulfill their obligation?
Or dumping sugar in the fuel tank while the truck is parked or while they are in the truck stop taking a wizzzz?
easyrider2697
Expert Expediter
Gregg,
was that you I saw coming out of Costco wit a 25lb bag of sugar today?
was that you I saw coming out of Costco wit a 25lb bag of sugar today?
Greg, that's precisely how I interpreted it. Whatever ya gotta do to make that livelihood dollar du jour, it's all good. 'As long as it helps me and my family, it's justified, sound, right, professional. I have my integrity in tact. No, I wouldn't want anyone to do that to me, but that's different. If it's good for me, that's the way it's gonna be.'
Do unto others as you would have others do unto you. If you wouldn't want someone else to do it to you, then why would you do it to someone else?
You can't pick and choose what's on the other side of that line that you'll do, because once the line is crossed, it's crossed, and the field is wide open. Customer lists, sugar in the tank and slashed tires are just a small sampling of the absurd examples of things that are out there and available to someone without integrity, and if you'll do one of them, you're as likely as not do any number of them.
All I know is, generally speaking, what goes around comes around. You reap what you sow. You cannot escape the consequences of you actions. Karma is a ruthless.
Slow and steady, even in expediting, wins the race - Aesop
Do unto others as you would have others do unto you. If you wouldn't want someone else to do it to you, then why would you do it to someone else?
You can't pick and choose what's on the other side of that line that you'll do, because once the line is crossed, it's crossed, and the field is wide open. Customer lists, sugar in the tank and slashed tires are just a small sampling of the absurd examples of things that are out there and available to someone without integrity, and if you'll do one of them, you're as likely as not do any number of them.
All I know is, generally speaking, what goes around comes around. You reap what you sow. You cannot escape the consequences of you actions. Karma is a ruthless.
Slow and steady, even in expediting, wins the race - Aesop
mrgoodtude
Not a Member
Just stirring the pot (its easy to do here)...
As far as business morality, character and establishing standards of fair play I am not my brothers keeper.
I don't agree with a lot of ideals and practices I read about on these forums "However" those are not shoes I have to put on everyday.
Its a good thing too cause last time I checked this was a post about helping a fellow expediter and has morphed into a "acceptable business practices post".
Include a self appointed jury and voila we have a sugar toting, tire flattening unethical rogue expediter among us with bad Karma.
I don't know Tibs scenario and I don't believe anyone else does either albeit he has said much he hasn't defined the carrier or the type of freight he hauls (looking at his region I suppose it might include dirty oil well componets) so he doesn't take a pork chop off my plate as far as I am concerned I could not care less...
My life is much simpler.
I run for one carrier hauling only their freight do it well and I get paid.
I am not an educated man but I bet some folk would do better by not defining someones character based on a forum post.
And BTW I am a firm believer in Karma
it has proved itself to be far more reliable than the peer police.
I am Mike and I approve this message
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As far as business morality, character and establishing standards of fair play I am not my brothers keeper.
I don't agree with a lot of ideals and practices I read about on these forums "However" those are not shoes I have to put on everyday.
Its a good thing too cause last time I checked this was a post about helping a fellow expediter and has morphed into a "acceptable business practices post".
Include a self appointed jury and voila we have a sugar toting, tire flattening unethical rogue expediter among us with bad Karma.
I don't know Tibs scenario and I don't believe anyone else does either albeit he has said much he hasn't defined the carrier or the type of freight he hauls (looking at his region I suppose it might include dirty oil well componets) so he doesn't take a pork chop off my plate as far as I am concerned I could not care less...
My life is much simpler.
I run for one carrier hauling only their freight do it well and I get paid.
I am not an educated man but I bet some folk would do better by not defining someones character based on a forum post.
And BTW I am a firm believer in Karma
it has proved itself to be far more reliable than the peer police.
I am Mike and I approve this message
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easyrider2697
Expert Expediter
>I am Mike and I approve this message
Your too funny Mike
Your too funny Mike
Tennesseahawk
Veteran Expediter
Cheating is such an obtuse word in the business community. While slashing tires and sugaring someone's fuel would be considered cheating, it's also vandalism and destruction of property.
You could also say contacts are intellectual property. That is until imminent discovery. But that aside, let's guess what the contracts REALLY meant when they said "Don't use our customers". Do you really think they would take you to court over a couple small customers going to your company? Probably not. Not enough in it; like a cop pulling you over for going 3 over the limit. Heck... they might not even find the connection.
But word gets around in this industry. And the companies are constantly needing each other to move freight for their customers. What happens when you don't have a truck in the area for your customer? The company you snubbed would likely say "skrew you!" With enough underhanded tactics, you become known as a "bottom of the barrel carrier". And other carriers will use you as a last resort only.
This is by no means directed at Bayou. It's for anyone who thinks a few cheats can get them ahead in this business. It's possible they might. But before you decide to cheat, think about what it may cost you.
-A bore is a person who opens his mouth and puts his feats in it. - Henry Ford
You could also say contacts are intellectual property. That is until imminent discovery. But that aside, let's guess what the contracts REALLY meant when they said "Don't use our customers". Do you really think they would take you to court over a couple small customers going to your company? Probably not. Not enough in it; like a cop pulling you over for going 3 over the limit. Heck... they might not even find the connection.
But word gets around in this industry. And the companies are constantly needing each other to move freight for their customers. What happens when you don't have a truck in the area for your customer? The company you snubbed would likely say "skrew you!" With enough underhanded tactics, you become known as a "bottom of the barrel carrier". And other carriers will use you as a last resort only.
This is by no means directed at Bayou. It's for anyone who thinks a few cheats can get them ahead in this business. It's possible they might. But before you decide to cheat, think about what it may cost you.
-A bore is a person who opens his mouth and puts his feats in it. - Henry Ford
It is amazing as to what this thread started, and where it is now.
After reading all these posts it seems the same as a justification for an arsonist to burn down his little house for the insurance money from a big bad insurance company because he now owes more than it is worth.
After all, it was only a little house and a little money.
Not trying to be the "peer police" but just "my penny in the pond".
Davekc
owner
23 years
PantherII
EO moderator
After reading all these posts it seems the same as a justification for an arsonist to burn down his little house for the insurance money from a big bad insurance company because he now owes more than it is worth.
After all, it was only a little house and a little money.
Not trying to be the "peer police" but just "my penny in the pond".
Davekc
owner
23 years
PantherII
EO moderator
mrgoodtude
Not a Member
Even more amazing is a recent post about favorite Holiday Movies..
In Jest I cited Harold and Kumar go to White Castle (had nothing to do with the holidays except it was funny) however after reading this post I am reminded of my real favorite HOME FOR THE HOLIDAYS..
It is where real people that are totally different come together swinging and acting like children..
In the end it is what it is and people are just that, PEOPLE
People that hurt, laugh, cry and give noogies where appropriate.
I don't like animosity and in my real life want to laugh everyday, the crux of my dilemma is I want the same for everyone else..
I get up every day with one thing in mind Nick is gonna call soon.
My son calls and we laugh about all that is well.. stupid.
Sometimes it's me sometimes it's his brothers and of course himself..
Point is we can laugh about ourselves and in that shouldn't we all be home for the Holidays??
I don't think anyone is better than me and for the record worse...
It is what it is and that would be a family.
Phil's a douche but I am ##### glad he is here..
Dave is a business man so we cool like that
Moot is my daddy incarnate and my Nick if I told the truth...
Cheri is my sister
Just occurred to me I could be up all night if I wanted to pay homage...
Can't do that as I have a life so to the 4000 plus users or members of EO I wish you he very best of this Holiday season with shout outs to everyone that reads this lame post..
peace on earth good will to you.....
(And yours)
Mike
In Jest I cited Harold and Kumar go to White Castle (had nothing to do with the holidays except it was funny) however after reading this post I am reminded of my real favorite HOME FOR THE HOLIDAYS..
It is where real people that are totally different come together swinging and acting like children..
In the end it is what it is and people are just that, PEOPLE
People that hurt, laugh, cry and give noogies where appropriate.
I don't like animosity and in my real life want to laugh everyday, the crux of my dilemma is I want the same for everyone else..
I get up every day with one thing in mind Nick is gonna call soon.
My son calls and we laugh about all that is well.. stupid.
Sometimes it's me sometimes it's his brothers and of course himself..
Point is we can laugh about ourselves and in that shouldn't we all be home for the Holidays??
I don't think anyone is better than me and for the record worse...
It is what it is and that would be a family.
Phil's a douche but I am ##### glad he is here..
Dave is a business man so we cool like that
Moot is my daddy incarnate and my Nick if I told the truth...
Cheri is my sister
Just occurred to me I could be up all night if I wanted to pay homage...
Can't do that as I have a life so to the 4000 plus users or members of EO I wish you he very best of this Holiday season with shout outs to everyone that reads this lame post..
peace on earth good will to you.....
(And yours)
Mike