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Fox Debunks Right-Wing Lies?
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And the smartest too.
Originally Posted by PilgrimSo what if Fox News has a conservative bias? Does anyone think that the other cable news networks don't have an equally liberal bias? What about the liberal bias of the the three major network news shows? I find it odd that no one on here seems to want to admit to watching Fox News or listening to Rush Limbaugh, but the ratings for both shows continue to be considerably higher than their competition, and have been for some time. Perhaps it has something to do with the notion promoted by the mainstream media and liberal shills like Media Matters that anyone who watches Fox News is some sort of troglogyte who can't understand why PBS or MSNBC would be so much better for them. Given their record of success, I seriously doubt that Fox is going to make any radical changes in their programming; and given their consistently superior ratings, I doubt that GM or any other advertisers are going to take their ads elsewhere.
For example:
Cable News Ratings For Saturday-Sunday, March 24-25, 2012 - Ratings | TVbytheNumbers
As with any product or service, the free market will determine the success of products and services. At this point it looks like the market tells us Fox News is and has been a winner, and the Volt is and probably will be a loser.
Hard to believe
- not only is there no substance whatsoever to this post, there's also nothing to refute any of the points made in my original post.
RLENT
Veteran Expediter
Well, try this for a little "substance" (which your post was entirely full of BTW) - Fox News, with a 17% decrease for March, is chasing CNN right into the toilet - which is pretty much where they both belong:Hard to believe
Business Insider: Wait, Did CNN Just Lose HALF Of Its Viewers?
Yup - those are some winning numbers to be sure ....
If you want get some real insight to what's happening over time try the following for starters:
The State Of The Media 2011
Just goes to show: Even if you are selling absolute ****, someone will still buy in ....
Hard to believe
Par for the course.
A 17% dip for one month is hardly in the same catagory as a 50% drop. Viewership figures for one month are pretty insignificant and audience numbers will ebb and flow. However, the fact remains that Fox News is still head and shoulders above the other cable news networks.
"In cable news, Fox News Channel continued its dominance, far outpacing MSNBC and CNN. In prime time, Fox News averaged 1.9 million to MSNBC’s 825,000 and CNN’s 755,000...
For the total day, Fox News averaged 1.1 million — a wide margin over MSNBC with with 458,000 and CNN with 434,000."
‘NBC Nightly News,’ Fox News win ratings race in first quarter – The TV Guy – Orlando Sentinel
For those who want some more current insight to what happened over the most recent 12-month period of 2011 instead of the outdated 2010 info in the above link, try the following for starters (bold emphasis mine):
"Perhaps because Fox continued to dominate the sector both in audience and financial terms, it did not change its formula or experiment with new methods of content delivery. Instead, it continued to aggressively pursue higher subscriber fees from cable providers as the bulk of the 15-year-old channel’s contracts with those providers were up for renewal in 2011.
...Unlike at CNN and MSNBC, Fox’s prime-time ratings dipped slightly in 2011, by a median of 3% to 1.9 million (it was down during the daytime, too, by 2% to 1.1 million viewers). Yet the Fox News formula of conservative-leaning talk and opinion in prime time still resulted in the channel boasting more viewers than CNN and MSNBC combined."
Cable: CNN Ends Its Ratings Slide, Fox Falls Again | State of the Media
Just goes to show: some people don't know substance from shinola.
Tennesseahawk
Veteran Expediter
I think most people have it wrong. Fox News is not conservative slanted. It is pure, unadulterated neo-con/RINO news. Conservatives don't have a news channel... which goes to show, no news is good news.
RLENT
Veteran Expediter
Absolutely ... like the rest of them, they are a never-ending source of entertainment ....
(Loved your comments on "The Five" BTW ....
)Is Piers Morgan working for Fox now ?
Did Fox buy out Bloomberg ?
http://bloom.bg/GQC7o9#ooid=Z5OGw5NDpZfJGeuZ4NmuIYD-HvxOwEBg]Ron Paul: Drop Out? No Way - Video - Bloomberg
Has Fox subsumed CNBC as well ?
Ron Paul on The Kudlow Report CNBC 3/22/12 - YouTube
Jay Leno ?
Speaking of Leno, you catch any of Mitten's appearance ?
.... from what I saw, it was just painful to watch .... Go Mitt !
(Can you imagine how it would go with Santorum ? .... please Dear God .... have Jay invite him ..... and let him accept ....)
BTW - I just gotta ask: what are ya doin' quoting me .... intentionally trying to torture the Turkey ?
RLENT
Veteran Expediter
Down is down .... it sure ain't up ...
Well, it's certainly true that numbers do ebb and flow ... but it would appear that there is a little more of the ebbing aspect going on over the long term .....
AFA viewership figures for a single month go, yup - it can be insignificant .... unless it is representative of a longer, overall trend ....
That's sorta like saying a high-priced call-girl is head and shoulders above a common street-walker ....
It's "true" .... but they're both still hookers (in this case presstitutes) .... and there's probably about an equal chance they both might be harboring all manner of nasty social diseases ...
Here's the thing - if you take Fox's prime time number's and then compare it by adding in prime time network news broadcast with CNN and MSNBC, you get less than 2 million (Fox) vs a little over 25 million (all others)
Yeah ... Faux News is just killin' 'em dead .... with less than 10% ....
Geez ... the latest CNN/ORC has Dr. Paul polling at 17% ... Fox News is apparently even less popular than Ron Paul .... by almost half .... which tells ya how "fringe" they truly are ....
One truly has to admire the sheer genius of someone would crow about how "great" and "successful" Fox News is ... and then provide the following link - which shows a ratings decline - and only serves to confirm exactly what I (and others) have been saying:
Pure genius ...
If you are considering a job in the field of PR, my advice would be: don't quit the day job ....
Just put the gun down .... otherwise, you'll only end up putting out your eye ....
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witness23
Veteran Expediter
Pefect analogy right there my freind.
The comments in this thread defending FoxNews just goes to show how accurate my sigline(or whatever its called) is.
Cable news. Making the ignorant.....confident.
I don't know that anyone is really defending them just because they may watch. If there is a better alternative, then by all means tell us what it is. There is this implication that there is a better television source for news, but still nothing provided. If the thought is to defend another network, throw it out there and lets see how they stack up. C-Span would be my pick, but hardly entertaining. With regards to Fox, they seem to be holding their own.
I don't know that anyone is really defending them just because they may watch. If there is a better alternative, then by all means tell us what it is. There is this implication that there is a better television source for news, but still nothing provided. If the thought is to defend another network, throw it out there and lets see how they stack up. C-Span would be my pick, but hardly entertaining. With regards to Fox, they seem to be holding their own.[/QUOTE
It's funny that some of the ones that bash Fox News get their news information from such outfits like the John Stewart show,Media Matters and Think Progress. I think basically they are just jealous of the Fox News dominance. Like I said before boohoo.
Spot on. Of course everyone has their likes and dislikes, also opinions. If a reasonable discussion is to take place it's helpful if opinions are supported by logic or fact, and there seems to be neither to support the assertion that Fox broadcasts "right-wing lies" or all RINO news, or that their viewership is going to the toilet. Based on what's been shown by the research in previous links, Fox News has more viewers, is more profitable and is better managed than any other cable news network. For those that still have trouble understanding that, please refer to the following graph that was included in a previous link:
SEE FULL DATA SET
It's fair to assume from the above data that although Fox isn't perfect, their news programs are as reasonable and accurate as any of the other cable news networks, if not more so. Their editorial programs are certainly more conservative than others like MSNBC or CNN, and this is by design. Their programming and marketing plans have resulted in a vastly higher viewership than their competitors - that's the free market at work, the general public choosing the best product. In spite of all the baseless assertions, name calling and snarky, shallow comments directed at them and their supporters the fact remains that Fox dominates their market sector. If they were so bad as all their hysterical critics claim, that wouldn't be the case.
I think it is just some basic pot stirring. When asked for a television alternate twice now that Witness or anyone else would deem "better", absolutely no answer. Just going on and on about how bad they may or may not be has no real value without something to compare.
witness23
Veteran Expediter
Whoa, whoa, whoa..... First off, I don't recall you directly asking me anything. You might want to actually include my name in your request or at least quote me then ask the question.
Before I answer your question, let me repeat this:
Cable news. Making the ignorant confident......
I would hope the above comment speaks for itself.
Cable news in the business of "creating" news not "reporting" the news. If I happen to turn on Fox or MSNBC it is purely for entertainment and not because I want journalistic view of current events.
Here is my list of television news:
C-Span
PBS News Hour and Bill Moyers
BBC
Television Commentary:
Jon Stewart
O'reilly
Radio:
NPR
The Fan (sports talk)
XM-Sirius:
A.M. - MSNBC's Morning Joe
Afternoon - The Wilkow Majority and Thom Hartmann
online:
ontheissues.org
realclearpolitics
thinkprogress
rt
christian science moniter
I will check out mediamatters and the blaze occasionally.
I try and read a book as much as possible. The most recent books I've read are: the Bible by The Lord Almight(ongoing), Without Hesitation: The Odyssey of an American Warrior by General (ret.) Hugh Shelton, Liberty and Tyranny: A Conservative Manifesto by Mark Levin and The World is Flat by Thomas L. Friedman
I never accept one point of view and cross-reference as much as possible and look for credible sources.
How's that?
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Post#33. But I didn't call you by name but it was directed at you since it was your commentary. I do agree on the C-Span, not as much on PBS as they have changed over the last several years. Just my opinion, but the Moyers hour isn't too bad.
Thanks for responding
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