Fox Debunks Right-Wing Lies?

witness23

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I do have a theory about this story and the direction FoxNews is heading. Since Obama started his election bid and eventually winning the Presidency of our fine country; FoxNews has done everything possible to make this guy look like a Socialist, Marxist, Non-Christian, Muslim loving, ect, ect......:rolleyes: They did everything possible to associate this vehicle with Obama in order to trash this American made product, and it worked. You don't have to look any further than right here in the soapbox to see how well they did in getting out the negative message to their faithful. You know who you are.

I've noticed a slight shift in FoxNews of late, in that they have become a bit more moderate in their reporting and commentary(not including Hannity). I truly think this is because they think the President will not win re-election. So they are starting to tone down the rhetoric and even flip-flopping on issues such as the Volt and alternative energy use that is good for America. This includes healthcare, but let's stick to this issue. If FoxNews is hedging their bets that Obama will not be re-elected they are going to have to roll back a lot of things they have demonized for so long. An un-brainwashing if you will. Because, believe it or not some of the things they have railed against is actually good policy, but they cannot give credit to Obama, if they did they risk the chance of him being re-elected.

You also have the non-conspiratorial version of the story as well. Someone at GM had a sit down with Mr. Ailes threatening to pull advertising dollars.


Anywhoo...........here's the article. BTW sorry you have to suffer through an interview done by the Deuce.


Fox News Debunks Right-Wing Lies About Chevy Volt: It’s ‘An Anti-Terrorist Weapon’ And ‘The Safest Car On The Road’
By Joe Romm on Mar 27, 2012 at 5:15 pm


Link: Fox News Debunks Right-Wing Lies About Chevy Volt: It's 'An Anti-Terrorist Weapon' And 'The Safest Car On The Road' | ThinkProgress


It’s one of the most remarkable interviews ever seen on Fox News. Yesterday, a conservative guest debunked all the destructive myths their pundits having been perpetuating, decrying their “fetish for demonizing the Volt.”

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Conservatives, led by Fox News, have been pushing a variety of lies about the Chevy Volt. They’ve falsely asserted that it is unsafe and a creation of the Obama administration, using absurd terms to discourage sales like, “exploding Obamamobiles.”

This relentless partisan campaign against American products and American jobs has been so successful that GM CEO Dan Akerson suggested it contributed to lower than expected demand, “We did not design the Volt to become a political punching bag and that’s what it’s become.”

Yesterday, in an astonishing burst of candor, Fox & Friends has set the record straight with its story, “Can the Chevy Volt help win the War on Terror?”

Their conservative guest, Lee Spieckerman, CEO of Spieckerman Media, a self-described “drill, baby, drill guy,” debunks every single right-wing myth about the Volt, noting:

I love Fox news, and I feel like I’m kind of attacking my own family here. I love O’Reilly, I love Neil Cavuto, I love Eric Bolling, but like a lot of my fellow conservative, they seem to have kind of a fetish for demonizing the Volt.

They are perpetuating the myth that the Volt was some kind of Obama administration green energy fantasy that as you say was forced on General Motors during the bailout.

It’d been in development two years before Obama was elected. And it was championed by … Bob Lutz, who is a conservative and a climate change skeptic. So you know it’s a myth.

The tax break for buying the Volt was implemented by the Bush administration. It was not something that was implemented under the Obama administration.

So unfortunately, there have been a lot of myths perpetuated.


Fox debunking itself — now that is must-see TV, something I’m not certain you’re ever going to see again.

Watch it:

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The Fox host, Steve Doocy, actually says, “I’m glad you brought up the myth that so many people think that Barack Obama came into office a shoved this down GM’s throat.” Yes, Fox is shocked, shocked that people believe a lie that they themselves have been repeating endlessly.

And who could have imagined Fox would run a chart about “how much energy we could save” with the Volt. Alternative fuel vehicles are good for national security? It’s like Fox has temporarily been taken over by … its own pundits before 2009 (see Fox News Argued Getting Off Of OPEC Oil With Alternative Fuels Was ‘A National Security Issue’. Then Obama Won).

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Spieckerman called the Volt “an anti-terrorist weapon” after pointing out:

“I don’t see what’s so conservative about wanting to send $35 billion a year to Hugo Chavez’s Venezuela for his oil or to send $70 billion to Middle Eastern OPEC countries. I don’t see how that’s conservative…. The Chevy Volt is by far the best way to bring all American energy … to our automobiles…. It is the safest car on the road.”


Spieckerman also calls the Volt, “the iPhone of the American automobile industry,” explaining that it will come down in price like computers and flat screen TVs have.

I can’t wait for the segment on how conservatives should support a price on carbon pollution because it would save energy, cut the deficit, and boost national security.
 

Turtle

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I don't really watch Fox News much anymore. It's just to taxing mentally to have to sit there and listen to such blatant spin. I had no idea they had been on a rampage against the Volt. I thought everyone knew it was well into development long before Obama was elected.

But I gotta tell ya, when I read that, and read "Obamamobile", I laughed out loud. That's hilarious. It's just brilliant. But it's really hilarious because Obama had nothing to do with it. No wonder the folks at GM are mad that it's become a political punching bag.

As for why Fox is apparently reversing itself, you have to keep in mind that the government, the health care, insurance and banking industries are all one in the same now. Trashing the Volt is bad for the banking industry on so many levels.

The Obamamobile. That's just killer. LOL
 

OntarioVanMan

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I think some connect the Volt to the bailout money then unto to Obama hence Obamamobile...the Volt was well developed before the bailout....
I had a Volt pass me on 696 yesterday...wow....it really zipped along about 70ish....
I also like the Nissan Leaf...100% electric....
 

xiggi

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I think your over thinking it. Fox is a business, they have pretty much maxed our viewer numbers and to expand them they need to draw more indepent types. I think its as simple as that. The change actually started to be noticed 6 or 8 months ago. Some say when the sheik or whatevee he is boughr a lot of shares. I thinks its simply about ecpanding viewer numbers.

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OntarioVanMan

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I think your over thinking it. Fox is a business, they have pretty much maxed our viewer numbers and to expand them they need to draw more indepent types. I think its as simple as that. The change actually started to be noticed 6 or 8 months ago. Some say when the sheik or whatevee he is boughr a lot of shares. I thinks its simply about ecpanding viewer numbers.

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Over thinking in the soapbox?...never happens....LOL...:rolleyes:
 

davekc

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The only place Obama is really tied to it is wanting more tax incentives ( additional 7500) for the purchase of them. 15k in total that taxpayers must subsidize.
Regardless of the Fox spin or lack there of, they still need to address the price, only going 30 miles on a charge with test vehicles, and of course those pesky engine fires.
Have to fix those items before one starts a blame game on why they aren't selling.
The Cruz is a better bet. Over 20k less and at 30 plus per gallon. Even at todays prices, 20k or more will buy a fair amount of fuel.
Total cost to taxpayers is over 250k per unit.
 

aristotle

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Eventually, a conservative-leaning news channel will emerge. Fox News makes a pretense to conservatism but really looks down its corporate nose at conservatives. Being based in NYC and Washington,DC almost ensures FNC will generally march in step with other mainstream news outlets. Perhaps, a new channel will rise up from Tulsa or Cincinnati or anyplace removed from the liberal deathgrip.
 

davekc

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Eventually, a conservative-leaning news channel will emerge. Fox News makes a pretense to conservatism but really looks down its corporate nose at conservatives. Being based in NYC and Washington,DC almost ensures FNC will generally march in step with other mainstream news outlets. Perhaps, a new channel will rise up from Tulsa or Cincinnati or anyplace removed from the liberal deathgrip.

The only place that seems to make any sense is C-Span.
 

purgoose10

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The deal with O'B and the Volt, he channel'd a lot of stimulus money to the company that manufactures the battery for the Volt. I think they are in Indiana. The plant made something for the RV industry, closed up put several hundred people out of work. He put them back in business with government money. If Volt fails (which it looks like it is with production stopped for awhile) then that plant will close and another failure for O'B.
 

OntarioVanMan

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The deal with O'B and the Volt, he channel'd a lot of stimulus money to the company that manufactures the battery for the Volt. I think they are in Indiana. The plant made something for the RV industry, closed up put several hundred people out of work. He put them back in business with government money. If Volt fails (which it looks like it is with production stopped for awhile) then that plant will close and another failure for O'B.
If this edition of Volt fails, another will be along....Green is here to stay...any electric car that can do 70 plus...has something going for it...
 

davekc

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The deal with O'B and the Volt, he channel'd a lot of stimulus money to the company that manufactures the battery for the Volt. I think they are in Indiana. The plant made something for the RV industry, closed up put several hundred people out of work. He put them back in business with government money. If Volt fails (which it looks like it is with production stopped for awhile) then that plant will close and another failure for O'B.

The battery cells are made by South Korean company called LG Chem. Got a good chunk of taxpayer money, but now says it is looking to get out of the battery business.
Batteries are assembled at the Brownstown, MI GM plant.
Probably another Solyndra.
 
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Pilgrim

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So what if Fox News has a conservative bias? Does anyone think that the other cable news networks don't have an equally liberal bias? What about the liberal bias of the the three major network news shows? I find it odd that no one on here seems to want to admit to watching Fox News or listening to Rush Limbaugh, but the ratings for both shows continue to be considerably higher than their competition, and have been for some time. Perhaps it has something to do with the notion promoted by the mainstream media and liberal shills like Media Matters that anyone who watches Fox News is some sort of troglogyte who can't understand why PBS or MSNBC would be so much better for them. Given their record of success, I seriously doubt that Fox is going to make any radical changes in their programming; and given their consistently superior ratings, I doubt that GM or any other advertisers are going to take their ads elsewhere.
For example:
Cable News Ratings For Saturday-Sunday, March 24-25, 2012 - Ratings | TVbytheNumbers

As with any product or service, the free market will determine the success of products and services. At this point it looks like the market tells us Fox News is and has been a winner, and the Volt is and probably will be a loser.
 

OntarioVanMan

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Whats with this Volt hating?...because it involved bailout money?....you really want it to fail?....just so you can say...I told ya so....
 

aristotle

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I have several criticisms for Fox News. People should remember during the 1990's when conservatives had President Bill Clinton on the ropes( impeachment) Fox News went wobbly. Initially, FNC coverage of impeachment proceedings seemed to support GOP efforts to hold Clinton accountable. As time went on, and as public opinion wavered, FNC's editorial slant and coverage began to mirror public opinion polls. It happens time and again. On important public policy such as immigration, DADT, war on terror... FNC starts off giving adequate coverage, then begins to parrot commentary found on CNN, MSNBC and the like. FNC doesn't really want to ruffle any feathers. They want to be liked.
 

witness23

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So what if Fox News has a conservative bias? Does anyone think that the other cable news networks don't have an equally liberal bias? What about the liberal bias of the the three major network news shows? I find it odd that no one on here seems to want to admit to watching Fox News or listening to Rush Limbaugh, but the ratings for both shows continue to be considerably higher than their competition, and have been for some time. Perhaps it has something to do with the notion promoted by the mainstream media and liberal shills like Media Matters that anyone who watches Fox News is some sort of troglogyte who can't understand why PBS or MSNBC would be so much better for them. Given their record of success, I seriously doubt that Fox is going to make any radical changes in their programming; and given their consistently superior ratings, I doubt that GM or any other advertisers are going to take their ads elsewhere.
For example:
Cable News Ratings For Saturday-Sunday, March 24-25, 2012 - Ratings | TVbytheNumbers

As with any product or service, the free market will determine the success of products and services. At this point it looks like the market tells us Fox News is and has been a winner, and the Volt is and probably will be a loser.

Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury. I present to you exhibit "A".
 

davekc

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I have no problem telling people I watch Fox News. While not exclusively, I like some of there stuff. O'Reilly can be good at times as well as the Stossel specials. Not a huge fan of Hannity as his shows always seem the same. They replaced Glen Beck with a show called the Five and that hasn't been that bad although slanted. Basically 4 right wingers going after the democrat Beckel.
At the end of the day, you can't argue with their results, but for no commentary info, C-SPAN is a better choice IMO.
For the people that complain about Fox, it seems they never offer a alternative. Why is that?
 

muttly

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Whats with this Volt hating?...because it involved bailout money?....you really want it to fail?....just so you can say...I told ya so....

Bottom line. It's way too expensive. Maybe people hate the volt because this administration tries to jam green energy down our throats while having a incoherent energy policy that involves THE ENERGY OF THE PRESENT:OIL.
 

muttly

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I have several criticisms for Fox News. People should remember during the 1990's when conservatives had President Bill Clinton on the ropes( impeachment) Fox News went wobbly. Initially, FNC coverage of impeachment proceedings seemed to support GOP efforts to hold Clinton accountable. As time went on, and as public opinion wavered, FNC's editorial slant and coverage began to mirror public opinion polls. It happens time and again. On important public policy such as immigration, DADT, war on terror... FNC starts off giving adequate coverage, then begins to parrot commentary found on CNN, MSNBC and the like. FNC doesn't really want to ruffle any feathers. They want to be liked.

Maybe they were just being Fair and Balanced.
 

muttly

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I have no problem telling people I watch Fox News. While not exclusively, I like some of there stuff. O'Reilly can be good at times as well as the Stossel specials. Not a huge fan of Hannity as his shows always seem the same. They replaced Glen Beck with a show called the Five and that hasn't been that bad although slanted. Basically 4 right wingers going after the democrat Beckel.
At the end of the day, you can't argue with their results, but for no commentary info, C-SPAN is a better choice IMO.
For the people that complain about Fox, it seems they never offer a alternative. Why is that?

Because I think they want to silence Fox News so that they can go back to the way it was where the libs controlled all the news networks and didn't give an adequate conservative view. That aint happening so too bad so sad.:D
 
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