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Some how this got posted before I finished it. It was going to read "FOR RLENT" because I thought he might enjoy this. I cannot seem to finish my work on it either. I HATE computers!





Ron Paul is really serious about transparency



He may be in last place when it comes to delegates, but when it comes to filing expense reports with the FEC, Ron Paul beats everyone.


His campaign’s hyper-vigilance is notable, verging on fanatical.


Every bank fee, every 22 cents at a FedEx, every $1 toll on theFlorida turnpike, every $5.09 pit stop at any Starbucks anywhere, every doughnut from Dunkin’ Donuts and Dough Nutz–it’s all right there, itemized in the Paul campaign’s copious expenditure reports. In 160 instances so far, the campaign has reported purchases costing a single dollar or less.


Last week, ProPublica examined the spending of the five presidential candidates and the major super PACs, identifying their200 top payees. But as part of digging into the more than $306 million spent through February, it was impossible to avoid the other end of the spectrum: The small bucks, if you will.


The Paul campaign tracks every cent like no other, which Paul campaign officials say is deliberate.


“We take the trust our donors place in us very seriously and are deeply committed to transparency and accuracy in our reporting,” wrote Paul’s campaign manager, Jesse Benton, in an email response to ProPublica.


Deeply, indeed.


Under Federal Election Commission rules, campaigns only have to disclose expenditures of more than $200 per election cycle to an individual or a vendor. And, for most campaigns, that’s mostly how it works. Sure, there’s the odd $1 rental car expense for Mitt Romney’s campaign, a few $5 bank fees for Newt Gingrich, and the inexplicable one-cent expense reported by Rick Santorum to theStoney Creek Inn in Johnston, Iowa. But generally, they don’t sweat the small stuff.


By and large, neither does President Barack Obama’s campaign, which explains on its reports that it specifies travel reimbursements totaling over $500 to any individual and payments to vendors that exceed $200 for the election cycle, but otherwise doesn’t itemize.


That just won’t do for the Paul campaign. A similar thoroughness seems to extend to one of the super PACs supporting him, Endorse Liberty. Super PACs, like other outside spending groups, are supposed to file reports of independent expenditures—TV ads or phone calls or direct mail on behalf of or against a candidate—within a day or two, depending on the time in the election cycle. ButEndorse Liberty files all expense within 48 hours, including the $71.92 spent at Captain George’s Seafood Restaurant on Feb. 13 and the 8 cents paid to Google for online advertising on Feb. 27.


Paul’s expenditures show what it’s like to run for president and life on the trail. It’s a journey through gas stations and fast-food joints in towns like Romeoville, Ill., Sugar Land, Texas, and Correctionville, Iowa. There’s a kind of poetry to the purchases, which range from the austere ($59.50 for meals at the Puritan Backroom), to the whimsical ($28.43 for a meal at The Peddler’s Daughter) to the downright depressing ($26.72 for catering from Little Caesars pizza in Colorado on New Year’s Day).



Like Paul himself, the campaign staffers often seem to value thrift. On Oct. 18, for instance, someone spent $1.09 for office equipment at the Dollar Tree in Baton Rouge. Eight days later, someone else spent $1 at a Salvation Army on Sheep Davis Road in New Hampshire for event supplies.


Staffers often ate cheap, spending $1.39 for a meal at the Circle K in El Dorado, Kan., on Sept. 27, $1.27 at the Kwik Star in Charles City, Iowa, on Dec. 9, and 99 cents at the Conoco in Moses Lake, Wash., on Feb. 20. Well, maybe they weren’t meals.


“We actually don’t have any food here,” said Chris Chase, the manager of that Conoco, who didn’t recall anyone from the Paul campaign and actually had never heard of the Paul campaign. “We’ve got some candies. Suckers are under $1. We’ve got some protein bars for 99 cents, some Planters peanuts for 59 cents.”


There were a few splurges: For example, the $26,690.01 listed for staying at the Grand Sierra Resort in Reno, Nev.

Though exhaustive, the Paul campaign’s record of purchases sometimes left us wanting to know even more. How is it possible to stop 119 times at the same Kum & Go gas station in Ankeny, Iowa? And what office supply was possibly downloaded for $1.07 on iTunes on Nov. 25?







Ron Paul is really serious about transparency - Yahoo! News
 
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Pilgrim

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And to add to the above:

"Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul used campaign funds to pay salaries and fees to more members of his own family than any other lawmaker in the House, according to a recently released report, handing over more than $300,000 during the 2008 and 2010 election cycles.The Committee to Re-elect Ron Paul paid salaries to his daughter, his grandson, his daughter’s mother-in-law, his granddaughter, his grandson-in-law and “another relative,” said a report released Thursday by the Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW). In addition, according to the report, campaign funds were used to pay his brother’s accounting firm more than $48,000."

Report: Campaign funds become 'a family affair' - Washington Times

As stated in the article, it's all legal and above board (thanks to Congress taking care of itself) but nobody does it better than Ron Paul.
 

Ragman

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And to add to the above:

"Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul used campaign funds to pay salaries and fees to more members of his own family than any other lawmaker in the House, according to a recently released report, handing over more than $300,000 during the 2008 and 2010 election cycles.The Committee to Re-elect Ron Paul paid salaries to his daughter, his grandson, his daughter’s mother-in-law, his granddaughter, his grandson-in-law and “another relative,” said a report released Thursday by the Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW). In addition, according to the report, campaign funds were used to pay his brother’s accounting firm more than $48,000."

Report: Campaign funds become 'a family affair' - Washington Times

As stated in the article, it's all legal and above board (thanks to Congress taking care of itself) but nobody does it better than Ron Paul.

If he was a liberal Democrat, some would call him a moron.
Where is the name calling now? :confused:
 

davekc

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If nothing else it just says he is as self serving as the others.
 

RLENT

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Some how this got posted before I finished it.
Well, at least you managed to avoid making it post it twice .... :rolleyes:

The details are rather trivial and inane ..... although it does show what real transparency actually looks like ...

It was going to read "FOR RLENT" because I thought he might enjoy this.
Nah ... what I am really enjoying is watching details emerge on the delegate process as it unfolds tho' ....

I cannot seem to finish my work on it either. I HATE computers!
.... just another tool to do a job, accomplish a task ....
 
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LDB

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I suppose the initial questions would be what did they do for the money and how does what they were paid compare to what would have been paid to anyone else for the same work. As written, it lists six different people receiving $5x thousand apiece over 2 election cycles or less than $30k apiece per election. Now, it could be nothing more than the typical politician scamming and cheating but if they truly worked for the money that's not a whole lot of money for a year's work. Not defending, just advocating.
 

RLENT

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Butterball posits the following:

And to add to the above:

..... WaTi article redacted ....

As stated in the article, it's all legal and above board (thanks to Congress taking care of itself) but nobody does it better than Ron Paul.
For the math challenged:

$300,000 divided by 6 (family members) = $50,000.00 (per family member)

$50,000.00 (per family member) divided by 4 (plus ?) years = $12,500 per year, (per family member) ....

Yup .... they're really rakin' it in .... :rolleyes:

Epic Turkey Failure:

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RLENT

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If nothing else it just says he is as self serving as the others.
Yeah, sure .... exactly .... after all, there aren't any possibly valid reasons that one might want to hire and employ people one could actually trust in politics:

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aristotle

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I was thinking the same thing. If his family is competent, why not hire them?

It's called nepotism. The appearance of impropriety. Ron Paul's campaigns might rightly be called Ron Paul, Inc.

Ron Paul, Inc. could be viewed as a full employment act for family. His family. And who is to say his extended family is competent at anything other than separating libertarian dolts from their money?

And where will all that campaign cash go after the election? Will Ron Paul, Inc. reward its hard-working staff( family) with huge bonuses? Or direct that money to son Rand, if possible? Many of us see Ron Paul as nothing more than a sloganeering pimp who makes the cash register ring with cries of "Liberty! Liberty!" Who falls for this stuff?
 
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RLENT

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I am sure that is the reason they ALL use.
A huge, simplistic generality ... which apparently attempts to conflate all the motivations of a good size group of people as being entirely the same .... and makes no distinction or differentiation between them whatsoever ....

This, of course, is about the lowest form of computation that the human mind is capable of ....

BTW, please do try to keep in mind that the conduct that you are addressing does not involve the use of public funds .... but of voluntary donations by private individuals to a campaign ....

You know - it wouldn't surprise me if some (so-called) "conservatives" felt this was actually something that the government ought to be intervening in with further regulations ..... :rolleyes:
 

Turtle

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It's nepotism when the favoritism granted to family or close friends is done without regard to merit. If they are competent and qualified to do the job, then it's not really nepotism. People tend to hire others they know and trust, and can boss around. Happens all the time.
 

EASYTRADER

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No its not Nepotism, Campaign jobs aren't Governemntal posts. Giving campaign jobs to relatives is no diferent than any other small business operation hiring relatives.
 

aristotle

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No its not Nepotism, Campaign jobs aren't Governemntal posts. Giving campaign jobs to relatives is no diferent than any other small business operation hiring relatives.
A political campaign is purely a pursuit of a government job. Campaigns use donor cash to seek a government job. To employ multiple family members on donor cash in pursuit of a government job reeks of nepotism and is an ethically-challenged practice, though legal in most situations.
 

RLENT

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A political campaign is purely a pursuit of a government job. Campaigns use donor cash to seek a government job.
Is your understanding of the political arena really that simplistic and narrow ?

It's all about "getting a job" .... really ?

To employ multiple family members on donor cash in pursuit of a government job reeks of nepotism
I assume that given your background you will be familiar with the following premise:

You (very likely) have no standing ....

and is an ethically-challenged practice, though legal in most situations.
The above coming someone who regularly decries idealism .... and openly touts "practicality", "pragmatism", "real politik" is about a gut buster ....

It's hard to imagine a premise that would be any more hypocritical ...
 

aristotle

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Is your understanding of the political arena really that simplistic and narrow ?

It's all about "getting a job" .... really ?


I assume that given your background you will be familiar with the following premise:

You (very likely) have no standing ....


The above coming someone who regularly decries idealism .... and openly touts "practicality", "pragmatism", "real politik" is about a gut buster ....

It's hard to imagine a premise that would be any more hypocritical ...

Feel free to write Ron Paul, Inc. a generous donation check. He's got a big family to support.
 

RLENT

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It's called nepotism. The appearance of impropriety. Ron Paul's campaigns might rightly be called Ron Paul, Inc.

Ron Paul, Inc. could be viewed as a full employment act for family. His family.
I wonder if you would care to illustrate for us all the ratio of monies that anyone who is related to Dr. Paul has received from the Paul campaign as compared to the amount of funds raised overall ?

I suspect not .... for it is probably on the order of less than 1% ....

And where will all that campaign cash go after the election?
Well, after 2008 I believe it was all pretty much funneled into the Campaign For Liberty ... wouldn't surprise me to see a similar thing happen this time around ...

Will Ron Paul, Inc. reward its hard-working staff (family) with huge bonuses?
You know .... the acquisition of money as a motivation for doing something is one of the lowest forms of motivations that there is ....

.... but I really do understand propensity for some to fixate on it ....

Or direct that money to son Rand, if possible?
Only if he behaves himself ....

Many of us see Ron Paul as nothing more than a sloganeering pimp who makes the cash register ring with cries of "Liberty! Liberty!" Who falls for this stuff?
Now that's pretty funny .... especially when one considers it's coming from someone who once touted a serial adulterer, who had slopped at the public feedbag of F.M. ..... as "Winston Churchill in our time" (paraphrased) ..... and considering the fact that it looks like "Winston" is pretty much throwing in the towel at this point and going back to the "book tour" ....

What is that motivation ?

Who falls for that stuff ?
 

RLENT

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Feel free to write Ron Paul, Inc. a generous donation check. He's got a big family to support.
All flash and style .... and no real substance ...

BTW - I can't - I'm already maxed out for this cycle ....

.... but you can bet that in the general, when the limits reset, I'll dig deep ....
 
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