food for thought

nightcreacher

Veteran Expediter
Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented immigrant'
is like calling a drug dealeran 'unlicensed pharmacist '
 

Coco

Seasoned Expediter
Walking into a church makes you no more a christian than walking onto a car lot makes you a car.
 

Robsdad

Seasoned Expediter
NightCreacher:

The best yet!!!!! I wish the media could understand this.
But no, that doesn't sell papers. And heaven forbid if we upset the illegals.

Go Home Taco Benders.

You are not welcome here. You are

driving our wages down and killing

our economy spending billions

keeping you up.

Asta la vista Baby.

this is the opinion of Robsdad and I whole heartedly approve this message.
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
Well, you may wholeheartedly approve that message, but I, for one, do not. Go home "illegal aliens" is one thing, but "go home taco benders" is just flat out racist.
As an EO member, and fellow Kentuckian, I'm embarrassed.
 

Robsdad

Seasoned Expediter
You embarrass me sir. That is what is wrong with America today. You my friend are afraid to hurt someones feelings because they may be offended. Wake up, they are not citizens of this country. They are here illegally. I am offended that this country is going broke with the medical bills and hand outs to these people. They need to get the hel* out of this country and go home. I have the back bone to call it like I see it. If you don't agree I respect your opinion. But if I embarrass you, then you are not the kind of person I would hang around with anyway. So have a good day in your politically perfect world. Not me. I call them like I see them. You would probably call me redneck. And yes sir I will answer to that description. I love this country and the foreigners need to get the hel* out.
Have a nice day,:cool:
 

Turtle

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Retired Expediter
I'm hardly one to be called politically correct, and am certainly not afraid of offending anyone. But like I said, "go home illegal aliens" is one thing, but to stupidly state "go home taco benders" is another thing altogether, as "taco benders" refers to all Mexicans in this country, both legal and illegal. There are many legal immigrants here from Mexico, and there are many illegal aliens from other countries. I have no patience or sympathy for an illegal alien, regardless of which country they came here from.
I'm probably more conservative than you are on this issue. I don't even think children born here of illegal aliens should be US citizens. But redneck or not, I'm not gonna lump legal and illegal into the same glob, and unless you are full-blooded Cherokee or something, neither should you.
 

Robsdad

Seasoned Expediter
I am not racists. I stand by what I said. Am not stupid, so you can take it for what you want. I have strong feelings for anyone in this country illegal. Did I go out of bounds with the taco bender thing? I don't think so. I said I respect your opinion. I also respect mine. And this is mine. End of story.
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
"Did I go out of bounds with the taco bender thing?"

Not if you'd said "Go Home Illegal Taco Benders", no.
 

RichM

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
I tjhink both of you basically agree on the issue,just looking at with different viewpoints. And the A Team isn't involved.n Thats a miracle.
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
I don't have a problem with the term at all. The problem is we have in this country both legal and illegal taco benders, and he lumped them all into a single category, And, he separated out illegals from other countries, like Iraq, Pakistan, India, Iran, Kenya, and countless other countries as if illegals from those countries are fine. He focused only on the taco benders, both legal and illegal, to the exclusion of all others.
Doesn't matter how you want to spin it, that's racist. I had hoped it was just a matter of poor wording, but when he clarified it, he stood by what he said.
 

Robsdad

Seasoned Expediter
Turtle:
Let me be more specific. I live in small town America. We do not have any of the other nationalities here. We only have the Mexicans as I refer to as Taco Benders. Not racists, no, you just live in a more diverse community and would like to characterize it the same as my small town. But my man call it what you want. I still want them to get the hel* out of our country. You and I could sit and talk about this all day. You would feel like you feel and I would feel my way. Problem is you want to bring the race card into it. That troubles me as we do have Americans here that are a different color than myself. The key word Turtle is Americans. Legal citizens that have gone through the process of legality. Racist is an old word that you must be familiar with. You see I was a poor boy. I grew up with friends of color. Funny when we cut ourselves playing, we both had red blood. See, I love my friends of then and still go to their houses and call them regularly as they do me. Racists, NO. You are wrong sir. Get over it. Get a life. If being Racists means I want the illegals to go home then I may quailify. You be the judge. Seems you like to judge folks anyway.:cool:
You see I am also a Virgo which means more than likely you as well as I have short fuses. Over the years I have learned to control it and be a more mature person. However I see that I do not have it completely mastered, as you sir are raising the hair on my redneck. Have a great day.
 

Turtle

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Retired Expediter
You're still not getting it. You contradict yourself in the above. you say that the only other nationality you have in your community is the Mexican Taco Benders, fine, and then you say you're not racist, and then say "I still want them to get the hel* out of out country." That means ALL Mexican, legal and illegal.

Then you finally qualify it a bit by saying the key word is "...Americans. Legal citizens what have gone through the process of legality."

OK, in order to be an American you have to be a US citizen. That means only the Mexicans who have achieved US citizenship status can stay, the rest just have to go, even the ones who are here legal as immigrants, because in order to become a US citizen you have to first be here as a legal immigrant, and have been a full-time resident for several years.


Finally, finally, finally, you state rhetorically that if being a racist means wanting the illegals to go home, then fine. So which is it? Do you want the illegals to go home, or all Taco benders, legal and illegal?

As for living in a more diverse community and trying to characterize things to apply it to your small town, you live in Livermore, correct? Part of the greater Owensboro area. Been there many times. Livermore has about 1500 people in it, so yeah, it's a small town. Owensboro itself has has about 55,000 people in it with greater Owensboro, of which Livermore sits inside of, has about 112,000 people.

I live in beautiful downtown Almo, KY, a population of about 1700, about the same size as Livermore, and just about as diverse. I'm in the greater Murray area, with Murray itself having a population of 16,000 people, and a greater Murray having a population of 35,000 people.

As a fellow Virgo, it surprises me that you cannot recognize when someone (a.k.a. me) is jerkin' yer chain. Never let anything that happens online get to you. You're real, I'm real, but online ain't real.
 

Robsdad

Seasoned Expediter
So you have been here many times. You are full of crap. Livermore is 19 miles from Owensboro, and located in McLean County not Daviess County. Hardly inside of Owensboro. You did however get the population right. I do not owe you nor anyone else an apology or explanation of how I feel. If you are here illegally you are a Taco Bender, Towel Head, Slant eye, yellow belly, wet back, rice eater, dot head or what ever other term (wish I could think of more) I wish to call them. If you are here legally none of the above applies as you are now an American Citizen. If you have not applied for citizenship, you are breaking the laws of this land and you need to be behind bars and put on the first available transport to your homeland. If this is racists ink me in. You say I don't get it. Maybe its you that hasn't figured out that these illegals being here are costing this country out the kizzo. I am finished talking to you about this. Either your IQ is too high for me to communicate, or perhaps to low. Either way it is what it is.:cool:
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
So you have been here many times. You are full of crap.

True, I am full of crap, and I've got the x-rays to prove it. But that don't mean I haven't been to Livermore, 'cause I have.

Livermore is 19 miles from Owensboro, and located in McLean County not Daviess County. Hardly inside of Owensboro.

No, but the greater Owensboro area comprises most or all of McLean, Davis and Hancock counties.

If you are here legally none of the above applies as you are now an American Citizen. If you have not applied for citizenship, you are breaking the laws of this land and you need to be behind bars and put on the first available transport to your homeland. If this is racists ink me in.

Its not racist, but it's pretty damned ignorant. There's a vast difference between a US Citizen and a Legal Resident, and if you're a Legal Resident you're not breaking the law simply because you haven't had legal residency status long enough to have applied for US Citizenship.

Please tell me that you don't actually think that people should have to apply for US citizenship before even coming here and proving they can learn to live here and abide by our rules, before learning our system of government and how life in America works. Wow.

You say I don't get it.
Correct. You don't.
Maybe its you that hasn't figured out that these illegals being here are costing this country out the kizzo.
I feel illegals here should receive no benefits whatsoever, other than perhaps to be treated the same way that I'd be treated there if I were an illegal in their country, namely, beaten, robbed and deported.

I am finished talking to you about this.
Promise?
Either your IQ is too high for me to communicate, or perhaps to low.
I'm gonna have to go with the former at this point.
Either way it is what it is.:cool:
Uhm, yeah, it is.
 

Robsdad

Seasoned Expediter
I think all persons should apply for citizenship prior to coming to this country. There are 500,000 known illegal felons in this country. In which 450,000 committed the felonies prior to coming here. Yes I would like to know what we are getting. 50,000 of the 500,000 have committed felonies since coming here. Do you want to take the chance with the lives and properties of your family. Allowing them to come here without any knowledge of their past is very dangerous for all Americans. You may want it that way. Sorry not here.
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
We didn't "allow" them to come here without any knowledge of their past. They are here illegally, remember? They didn't even bother to apply for legal immigration before coming here. What makes you think they'd apply for citizenship, instead?

In order to apply for US citizenship, you must first have been lawfully admitted for the privilege of permanent residence as an immigrant in accordance with immigration laws. Then you have to have lived here for at least 5 years, and broken precious few laws while doing so (part of the morals clause). There's the US history and government knowledge that must be learned, as well as being able to read, write, speak and understand normal English.
 

Robsdad

Seasoned Expediter
You just want to argue. Your post prior stated you thought they should be able to come here prior to applying for citizenship. The last post was my response. Argue with someone else I don't need the aggravation of dealing with a friggn nerd truck driver or maybe you are a taco bender. If so go home.
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
You just want to argue.
A debate would be good, but you're all over the place.

Your post prior stated you thought they should be able to come here prior to applying for citizenship.

No, it didn't. My prior post merely stated the requirements for applying. I relayed to you what the law says.
The last post was my response.
But it made no sense. It tried to make a case against the US citizenship laws based on the actions of illegal immigrants, believing that if we changed the laws then the illegals would suddenly want to abide by the laws.
Argue with someone else
Well, as long as we're feelin' free to tell each other wshat to do... Educate yourself on something besides "Get them thar foreigners outta my country!" and you, too, will be able to argue intelligently about many things.
I don't need the aggravation of dealing with a friggn nerd truck driver
Shocking that you would say something like that. It's classic, really. You can't back up the emotional rantings with any kind of logical rationale, and since you have nothing with which to attack what I'm saying, you resort to attacking me personally, and then want nothing more to do with the conversation. I've got a friggin' nerd truck driver tellin' me he doesn't need the aggravation of dealing with a friggin' nerd truck driver. Too funny. Classic. Truly.
or maybe you are a taco bender. If so go home.

You are way too easy, man. Too easy.

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