Flying J Towing Scam

LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
I had surgery on both feet 24 1/2 yrs ago. One was fairly successful and one was barely successful at all. I need to have at least one redone but the month on crutches and 3 months after that of significant discomfort were worse than the daily discomfort now. I could get a handicap tag for the times when it's most uncomfortable but choose not to. As said though, you may not know someone has an issue even though they do. As also said, there isn't enough parking and it only worsens as more and more places prohibit parking when they once allowed it.
 

Scott101

Seasoned Expediter
Good points about who pays. I would say both points of view sound valid.

Trucks should obtain their own legal parking. But the Government places tighter and tighter restrictions such as HOS, no-idle, ect. all the while they raise taxes more and more. That makes it more difficult to find and afford legal parking. So the Government is creating a problem they need to take responsibility for.
 

arrbsthw

Expert Expediter
Now if we could only get the troopers start to ticket the idiots that park on the car side of a rest area!!


You know..sometimes people need to swap drivers or p
and the truck side is full. HOurs are out and can't go any
further or you may need new britches if you don't stop.
so I don't see the harm to use the car side if I can't get on the
truck side ..not saying I would spend the night there or anything but when ya gotta go.. ya gotta go!! :)
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
Driving down the road in a van I can see the severe lack of truck parking, and I cringe at the thought of moving up to a larger vehicle. I can park pretty much where I want (the TA's in Ontario, California being a notable exception), but for big trucks it's getting to the point where the best option is to just pull over on the shoulder, put out three triangles, and be "broke down" for a few hours.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
You know..sometimes people need to swap drivers or p
and the truck side is full. HOurs are out and can't go any
further or you may need new britches if you don't stop.
so I don't see the harm to use the car side if I can't get on the
truck side ..not saying I would spend the night there or anything but when ya gotta go.. ya gotta go!! :)

Agreed...gotta go, ya gotta go....
I am talkin the TT's 10/12 double parked in the car lanes....sometimes there is only a half dozen or so parking spaces "including" the disabled spots.......some TT drivers are getting pushy and going to spoil it for the rest by pushing thier luck....
 

TeamCaffee

Administrator
Staff member
Owner/Operator
I have thought often that the truck stops are very lenient and in some instances put all of our lives in danger. We were at a TA the other night and one of the lanes to get out of the back area of the lot was blocked by parked trucks. Cleary marked with arrows on which direction to drive, they were not arrows to tell you which direction you need to park. We are constantly seeing trucks parked in a no parking area when the back lot is empty. We see trucks parked on the on and off ramps and pull into a truck stop and there are many open spaces. You know as well as I do that most if not all of the trucks parked on those ramps do not have a bathroom in their trucks. We park near grass for Molly and we are always seeing trucks parking along the curb clearly marked no parking when there are many places open that require you to back in. We have also seen truck stops full and drivers circling over and over waiting for a spot to open up. It is a difficult problem but the Truck Stops are offering a service and as the times go on and as more and more of us cook in the truck, buy our supplies at Wal-Mart and use the truck stops only to fuel and take our free showers what are the alternatives? Pay to park is the only way they can go to maintain their properties.
 

mjolnir131

Veteran Expediter
US Department of Transportation
Federal Highway Administration
FINAL REPORT: Study of Adequacy of Commercial Truck Parking Facilities - Technical Report FHWA-RD-01-158
March 2002

It's a mind-numbing read, but the Executive Summary is worth scanning, and the Summary and Conclusions in particular is worth a close look.

I'm going to go out on a limb here without reading the article and guess that we spent 50-75,000 dollars for a report that says there are not enough parking space and the problem is only going to get worse and it's starting to have an environmental impact?


I understand you need some type of justification to get the ball rolling in getting Congress to get anything done but sometimes we just spend way to much money doing it.
 

x06col

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Charter Member
Retired Expediter
US Army
Ahh, the entitlement mentality. "They" need to provide so's I can collect my "free". "They" need to provide so's I can - - -. Hooahh. It will never end. Actually there are thousands of places to park a "truck" in this country. I may have "parked" at a truck stop or rest area 25 times in my driving career. If you get to the point that you dislike something so intense, or it's just too binding, then get creative. As mentioned before, a nice grassy spot isn't just for dogs. Try it, you may like it.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
That was my point as well Col......theres lots of dumpy BP's, Speedways and the like...IF your just going to sleep and not buy anything what does it matter? Rest Areas are just more convenient...with a price tag....TAXES
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
The cost of the report nor environmental impact were mentioned. Nor is any kind of entitlement mentality. It is "a study to determine the location and quantity of parking facilities at commercial truck stops and travel plazas and public rest areas that could be used by motor carriers to comply with Federal hours of service rules. The study shall include an inventory of current facilities serving the National Highway System, analyze where shortages exist or are projected to exist, and propose a plan to reduce the shortages."

It's not a question of just paving more corn fields for parking spaces. It's a question of how many, where, and what kind. It is noted that, "...drivers prefer commercial truck stops and travel plazas for most activities that require them to park, but they prefer public rest areas when stopping for taking a quick nap."

"An inadequate supply of truck parking spaces can result in two negative consequences: (1) tired truck drivers may continue to drive because they have difficulty finding a place to park for rest, and (2) truck drivers may choose to park at unsafe locations, such as the shoulder of the road and exit ramps, if they are unable to find available parking. Both of these consequences generate a safety hazard for the truck driver and for other drivers using the NHS. However, any program meant to address the problems of an inadequate supply of truck parking spaces must concentrate on a number of issues beyond simply providing additional parking spaces. For example, a Federal program that simply earmarks funds for each State to build new truck parking may not completely address the “big picture” need. Earmarking funds for every State may not be necessary if some States already have a sufficient supply of truck parking. Also, building spaces that have neither the convenience nor the amenities necessary to convince a truck driver to use the spaces would not help; tired truck drivers would either continue to drive to locate spaces with preferred amenities or would park in unsafe locations because of the greater convenience. Finally, parking spaces need to be adequately spaced so that a surplus of spaces is not developed in a select group of locations while other roadway segments continue to have an inadequate supply of spaces."

No mention is made concerning the convenience or preference of truck drivers to park their trucks on nice grassy spots normally used for dogs. However, "...there is a shortage of truck parking spaces at many locations in the United States and that this shortage is worse for parking at public rest areas than at commercial truck stops and travel plazas. Shortages also appear to be worse for non-Interstate highways, though the fact that those highways are often not access-controlled makes it more likely that other types of parking spaces (i.e., not at public rest areas or commercial truck stops or travel plazas) are used as supplemental parking." One can conclude that "supplemental parking" would include parking on the lawn.

It's a worthwhile report, and a good one, and if it were part of my job to have to find appropriate parking in order to comply with HOS regulations, I'd want to read at least the Summary and Conclusions, if not the whole report.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
So after I made that post in here....How's the saying go? What goes around comes around? I was at the J in Waterloo Iowa in the front parking lot as usual...a staffer knocks on my window....Ya gotta move to the rear...he says...NO Delivery Vans in the front anymore!!! Lo and Behold I missed the signage coming thru the front drive!! I can't believe no parking!!!:rolleyes:

How come my Thumper doesn't thump???
 
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broker

Seasoned Expediter
Kathy and I were sitting in the "drivers lounge" a couple weeks ago, at the FJ in Indy. The room was full and we were all having a good time watching House. Right in the middle of the show, an employee came in and "yelled" we would all have to show her our CDL'c or leave. First, why could she not have waited for a commercial. With 15 or so of us digging for our CDL's nobody could watch the show. Now it gets better, or should I say worse.
I had mine but Kathy did not bring her purse in. FJ employee says, "you'll have to go out to the truck and get it" (Never even used the word please or sorry) Are you kidding me, my wife has to go out and get it. What if she was just riding along?
Went and talked with the manager and was not happy with that resonse also. Guess what, we left, went across the street to that newer truck stop and put $175 of fuel in the truck, that I was planning on getting at FJ.
Indy FJ has seen the last of us.
When taling with the Indy FJ manager I asked, is this common pratice at all FJ's. She said no.
I'm not boycotting all FJ's, our even asking that anyone else stop fueling at FJ in Indy. Just wanted to give warning, if you want to watch TV here, make sure you have your CDL on you and be prepared to have your favorite show interupted.
I on the other hand will never return.
Sure is a funny way to treat your customers when you are having hard times.
BIG John
 

Turtle

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Staff member
Retired Expediter
I would argue that I'm not in a delivery van. I'm in freight-capable RV. :D

Did he want you to park in a big truck spot? Aside from being rude and inconsiderate to big trucks, I've seen what happens to vans and small RV's who park in a big truck spot. It's not pretty.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Kathy and I were sitting in the "drivers lounge" a couple weeks ago, at the FJ in Indy. The room was full and we were all having a good time watching House. Right in the middle of the show, an employee came in and "yelled" we would all have to show her our CDL'c or leave. First, why could she not have waited for a commercial. With 15 or so of us digging for our CDL's nobody could watch the show. Now it gets better, or should I say worse.
I had mine but Kathy did not bring her purse in. FJ employee says, "you'll have to go out to the truck and get it" (Never even used the word please or sorry) Are you kidding me, my wife has to go out and get it. What if she was just riding along?
Went and talked with the manager and was not happy with that resonse also. Guess what, we left, went across the street to that newer truck stop and put $175 of fuel in the truck, that I was planning on getting at FJ.
Indy FJ has seen the last of us.
When taling with the Indy FJ manager I asked, is this common pratice at all FJ's. She said no.
I'm not boycotting all FJ's, our even asking that anyone else stop fueling at FJ in Indy. Just wanted to give warning, if you want to watch TV here, make sure you have your CDL on you and be prepared to have your favorite show interupted.
I on the other hand will never return.
Sure is a funny way to treat your customers when you are having hard times.
BIG John

I watch House here...
FOX on Demand
 

highway star

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
As a big fan of House, I feel your pain. However, I've had to show my CDL there and I support their efforts to keep bums out of the lounge. I wish all truckstops did it.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
I would argue that I'm not in a delivery van. I'm in freight-capable RV. :D

Did he want you to park in a big truck spot? Aside from being rude and inconsiderate to big trucks, I've seen what happens to vans and small RV's who park in a big truck spot. It's not pretty.

He sure did..was a P2 C/V back there that I seen...I was leaving anyhow but not that soon....so I packed up and am in S. Beloit J
 

broker

Seasoned Expediter
This is why I do not get on the internet. It is very hard to explain what you are saying to hundreds of readers. Each can take it with a different meaning.

I never said I was upset or did not support asking for CDL's.
I am upset with the way it was handled.

Interupting a group enjoying a program was not cool.
Telling, not asking my wife, that she "HAD" to go out to the truck and get hers, even though she is sitting with her husband.
The way the manager handled my complaint.
Those are the things I was upset with, not the asking for CDL's.

Thanks for the info on FOX.

BIG John
 

x06col

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
Retired Expediter
US Army
Well, y'all can stay where y'all want. You can show yer CDL for your "privelege" all you want. It's all about choices. I have had no problem parking bout anywhere I want from New England to California. All you have to do is look around.

I wouldn't be interested in reading ANY of a study completed by the government or a contractor thereof. As wonderful as it may read, the final product of the study (if there is any action) will be morfed so badly that the result will be of little or NO value to the folks that need it.

My large concern for the last couple weeks is, the fish ain't biting here at Port Aransas, on the Jetty, (where I am Parked).
 
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