OOIDA's most recent issue of " Land Line " magazine has an article about a driver that had trouble with poor fuel mileage then noticed the high temperature of the fuel he was regularly buying at Flying J . Changing to another fuel source increased his fuel mileage . About a month ago I had a problem with a Flying J manager when I used a credit card at the truck pumps and noticed I was being charged 4 cents a gallon more at the truck pump than I would have paid at the RV pump . I tried to change the transaction to cash but the manager refused to give me a lower price . I quit buying fuel at Flying J . My fuel milage loaded increased 2.5 mpg loaded . OOIDA investigated fuel temps at fuel stops . Fuel at Flying J averaged 30 degrees warmer than fuel at other fuel stops they tested .
Flying J heated fuel .
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I never realized the price was higher at the truck island than elsewhere. That doesn't seem fair to the truck island.
I don't get it on the temperature part though. Once I put it in my tanks it's going to equalize in a while. I can see where the temp would be different for a while but within an hour or so I'd think it would be equalized and make no difference.
Leo
truck 4958
Support the entire Constitution, not just the parts you like.
I don't get it on the temperature part though. Once I put it in my tanks it's going to equalize in a while. I can see where the temp would be different for a while but within an hour or so I'd think it would be equalized and make no difference.
Leo
truck 4958
Support the entire Constitution, not just the parts you like.
I think the rumor goes like this.A heated fuel expands to a greater volume, then after it arrives in your tank it shrinks back to its original size.this leaves you cheated for the difference.
I myself do not believe this happens.
Where are the Myth Busters when you need them?
I myself do not believe this happens.
Where are the Myth Busters when you need them?
Loose_Cannon47
Expert Expediter
I can picture it now...some joker heating a gallon of gasoline on the kitchen stove to see how much it will expand...holy S*#!...
Loose
Loose
perfect temp for fuel is 55 degree's f, this is what the us navy uses
when transfer fuel between ship's or planes as lower the temp the more fuel you get the warmer the fuel the less you get
as in 80 degrees's the btu's is lower know fact
so flying j is off my list of places that i will stop from now on
when transfer fuel between ship's or planes as lower the temp the more fuel you get the warmer the fuel the less you get
as in 80 degrees's the btu's is lower know fact
so flying j is off my list of places that i will stop from now on
Tennesseahawk
Veteran Expediter
Heated fuel or not, at least they are 6-10 cents cheaper than TAs that don't advertise their price on the street.
So we have Js who heat their fuel, Pilot who's higher unless there's another stop on their exit, and TA who scalps the ignorant. What do we have left?
I hafta admit I like Love's, but there aren't enough of them. And none in the north.
Is there a way to find out if a certain J has heated fuel?
So we have Js who heat their fuel, Pilot who's higher unless there's another stop on their exit, and TA who scalps the ignorant. What do we have left?
I hafta admit I like Love's, but there aren't enough of them. And none in the north.
Is there a way to find out if a certain J has heated fuel?
As if the high price of fuel wasn't hurting us enough now you have the biggest truckstops trying to nickel and dime us for more money than they should. I used to transport diesel fuel when I worked for a fleet fueling company and I would pick up the fuel from the racks at the Shell terminal. To make a long story short fuel temp has everything to do with the volume your really getting. Its not uncommon for some of these stations to have a heating unit that keeps the fuel at a certain temp so it doesn't gel up in the winter months. It seems to me that maybe Flying J management has found a way to get more money for less fuel by not only keeping the heating unit on, but also turning up the heat on the unit.
plumcrazy8
Expert Expediter
I also read the article on fuel temps, but can't remember where (must have been here). It had to do with installing heat-sensing pumps to adjust pricing and the possibility of government mandating such a device. Anybody remember where this article came from?
You are probably looking for the article that was in the March issue of "Land Line" . Go to www.landlinemag.com . Click the archives then click March . You'll see the article there .
Broompilot
Veteran Expediter
I read this but it did not indicate the J. But if this is true why not come the month of Sept or Oct to get the word out that as small as the Expeditor Industry is that ALL expeditors boycott the J for a month or couple of months and see what kind of impact that could make to them with a petition letter from EO and signed by all of US?
Whata say???
I enjoy using the truck stops but if I ever found out I was getting screwed than screw me once shame on you, screw me twice than shame on me as the line goes. Thank you OOIDA.
Come on thats what this site is for right...........
Whata say???
I enjoy using the truck stops but if I ever found out I was getting screwed than screw me once shame on you, screw me twice than shame on me as the line goes. Thank you OOIDA.
Come on thats what this site is for right...........
We used J about 95% for our fuel purchases. When I first read this thread it jolted my memory that my Argosy was only getting 9.5-9.8 mpg. Last time out I purchased fuel at favorably priced Mom, Pops and other small fuel stops. Wala, averaged 12.3 on the last 2100 miles. We will fuel our different trucks at different places and see what the outcome is.
I'm going to buy a bottle of the diesel kleen stuff and put it in and do 5 fills at Pilot and see what happens. I really prefer J for facilities but if I can get demonstrably better mpg fueling elsewhere I will change.
Leo
truck 4958
Support the entire Constitution, not just the parts you like.
Leo
truck 4958
Support the entire Constitution, not just the parts you like.
I have found that the smaller trk stops will give you better customer service, and at times, better pricing on fuel.
If what I'm hearing, and reading is true, then I'll use the smaller
stops for the price and quaility of their fuel, and the bigger stops for their parking, and their other non-fuel related services.
If what I'm hearing, and reading is true, then I'll use the smaller
stops for the price and quaility of their fuel, and the bigger stops for their parking, and their other non-fuel related services.
We usally buy our fuel at the J,but because our fuel card was lost we have been fuelling elsewhere for about 2 weeks.(I.E.Pilot and Loves)
Have noticed no difference in fuel mileage between the different truckstops. We average 11.3 mpg,no matter what the source.
For purposes of this discussion all idleing has been elimanated. Only straight thru fillup to fillup has been considered.
If warmer fuel leaves us all cheated apparently they are all doing it.
Have noticed no difference in fuel mileage between the different truckstops. We average 11.3 mpg,no matter what the source.
For purposes of this discussion all idleing has been elimanated. Only straight thru fillup to fillup has been considered.
If warmer fuel leaves us all cheated apparently they are all doing it.
TJ959
Veteran Expediter
I could'nt believe it. I fueled up at the J in Perrysburg OH on July 1. As I fueled the nozzle got progressively warmer. I wish I had a laser pyrometer to check it but it became warm to the touch. In order for water to feel that warm it would be 90 to 100 degrees. This is my favorite truck stop but it seemed like a betrayal to me. Thing is, how could they heat the fuel and make money at it? The energy to heat it would cost money too. I would like to think that the tanker was sitting out in the sun long enough to heat the fuel.
Ever notice every Flying J has one or 2 tankers parked at it ? Evidently each Flying J has tankers assigned to it . If they make regular supply runs as fuel is used there is a staedy supply of new fuel . Does anyone know the temperature of fuel coming out of refinery tanks ?
The way I understand this whole deal. Is when the fuel is heated to a certain temperature. It expands and you are getting about 2% less for your overall purchase. So if you take that 2% times say 100,000 gallons they sell. They make quite a hefty profit off of that heated fuel. I've heard that all pumps are equiped with a temp sensing chip that is supposed to ensure that the fuel is maintained at a specific temp. So that the consumer does not get ripped off. I heard this on Landline Now on XM, They also said that Canada uses this feature. But in the U.S. the chips are turned off. Bad enough fuel is as high as it is. Then they want to rip us all off too...
Broompilot
Veteran Expediter
Read June LANDLINE again another write up. Something like this when it expands it looses its Power, when it shrinks back it does not come back (power) please read the magazine it makes more sense than my side of the story.
I find this hard to believe that the J would not respond to a reputable publisher. Its beginning to smell. They did (Landline) temprature checks of there fuel in different cities and also Petro and Pilots the compeditors were cool where Js were hot and sometimes very very hot 98 at W. Memphis.
TAKE NOTICE J as we all are!!!!!!!!!!!
I find this hard to believe that the J would not respond to a reputable publisher. Its beginning to smell. They did (Landline) temprature checks of there fuel in different cities and also Petro and Pilots the compeditors were cool where Js were hot and sometimes very very hot 98 at W. Memphis.
TAKE NOTICE J as we all are!!!!!!!!!!!