Firearm Choices

dragontrans0304

Seasoned Expediter
Have you ever seen what a .45 round does to a human? It does a sh*tload of damage that will stop, if not kill someone in one shot. I should know, I have been shot by one. It definently stopped me in my tracks and destroyed the nerves and much of the muscle in my left arm, a little further over and it would have gone through my heart and out my back.
 

Moot

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
My pastor is a retired Military Police Officer and he is partial to the 1911's.

My associate pastor is a Green Beret and he likes the Glock 19 or 26.

Shoot em dead Rev. Wow must be a tough congregation!

I am Catholic and my church, The Church Of The Holy Caliber, has a sign on the door banning guns. Kinda takes the fun out of a Sunday morning. I'm ready to convert.

WWJC
What would Jesus carry?


So I shot 'em down
One by one
Then I left 'em 'long the rails
I use my gun
whenever kindness fails


"Whenever Kindness Fails" Robert Earl Keen
 

LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
Were you high on PCP or meth when your arm was shot? I'm sorry but there is no such thing as a "one shot stop" meaning guaranteed one shot every time without exception. I'm giving advice based on discussions with world class competition winners who also are law enforcement. I know my information is sound and accurate. I certainly don't want to be shot with anything and the bigger the number associated with the caliber the less I want to be shot with it. This thread is about the best choice for a first timer. That is not a .45 and for many it never will be a .45 because they can control a 9mm much better and although hitting with less kinetic energy in 1 round can stack rounds for a greater total energy.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
I would not expect you to find too many stories that would substantiate mine, in many cases they go unreported or don't even get past the police blotter, as in Detroit where the over 50% of the crimes are unreported and only 8% of the serious crimes get in the news, either print or radio/tv.

One reason to use a heavy caliber is simply that every situation is different for everyone and it is better to limit the chances of not stopping someone. (there is another reason at the end of this post.) In my case the fact that the guy who assaulted me was dressed for cold temperature (heavy clothing) and the likeliness of me getting a head shot was slim to none. I didn't prepare myself for him but maybe I should have.

Irregardless of my situation, the problem is that the 22 is a high velocity round, with lot less energy then say a 223. The round itself can do a lot of damage with soft tissue (a round of choice for hit men/women because once the energy is reduced within the brain material, it can't penetrate the skull - sorry for the graphic detail) and even some medium material but hard material it does not penetrate like say a 223.

But the real issue here is the clothing and I got to point out that in fact my situation played out just like the situation that the soliders faced in the Philippine Insurrection (aka Philippine-American war). The military adopted the 38 (I think that was the caliber) that replaced the 45 colt that they used for years. While fighting the Americans in the Philippines, the Moro warriors used a method of protection of wrapping them in tightly fitting heavy cloth to prevent the penetration of the bullet. The fact that even the 30-40 Krag could not put the Moro warriors down in many cases, the military was forced into returning to a larger caliber with more energy behind the bullet to penetrate the protection. Once the 45ACP was introduced, the US wounded and killed dropped.

Now speaking about the round itself, what makes a 22LR very dangerous is the simple fact that it is of a high velocity and tends to be easily change directions by hitting something hard. One reason that many are killed by it is that is will ricochet within the body but won't penetrate the muscle or skin.

But regardless what you can say about a 22LR, it is not a gun for protection in a situation where you have to react. As I mentioned it is a high velocity round and firing a few without knowing what is going on around you is dangerous and irresponsible. With a 9MM it is limited to the distance it travels, which means the guy down the street walking his dog has a less chance of getting his with a 9MM then if you used a 22LR.
 

dragontrans0304

Seasoned Expediter
No I was not high on PCP or Meth, unless adreniline counts. I concede that a .45 is not a beginners weapon. When I said a .45 anywhere will do the trick I have seen more than enough people shot by that caliber, stopped dead in their tracks, granted you are right that it doesn't always happen that way. Once again I have opened my mouth and inserted my foot. Oh well, live and learn.
 
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