Fedex and The Rate Busters!

dodgeboy

Seasoned Expediter
There are going to be potential negative implications from the Fedex cc's move to lower linehaul rates for their cargo vans. Assuming that the Fedex cc is actually going to lower their customer rates in order to become more competitive with other carriers (and not just saying that they are going to do such and pocket the money) the overall rate stanbdards in the expediting industry will surly dwindle.

Also, If fedex is switching to a flat rate, will they still require owner operators to have new vans? How can you afford to pay for a new van every three years if you are running for reduced rates? Maybe Fedex will get more lenient on their arbitrary vehicle age requirements?

For many years, Roberts Express, Fedex, and Landstar have been maintaining a higher level of pay for their owner operators in Cargo vans. I have always been a champion of these three companies for setting the standard higher while the other expediting companies (insert company name here) have been duking it out and driving down the rates. Well, now that the "good companies" are joining in on the rate wars, a new and potentially dangerous precedent will be set.

Also, when Fedex lowers van rates in order to retain their current customer base, the spirit of competition will just allow other outside carriers to come in and compete with them on their own turf. So, as soon as Fedex's regular customers find out that price is relative to "on time service" they risk losing their long-time accounts to outside competition. From what I understand, some Fedex customers do not even know that there are other Expedite carriers out there. So, once these so called customers find out about other carriers (insert company name here) the bidding wars will drive the prices down even more.

Look people, we are not truck drivers, we are not LTL carriers, we provide a very critical role in keeping companies going. Why in the hell are our carriers trying to lover the rates down to the point where we will not even be able to get our vehicles serviced? This is complete crap and someone has got to put an end to it. Why would any of us accept loads just to stay in service and keep ourselves busy? In the expediting business we are supposed to work smarter, not harder! If rates continue to drop the way that they have been lately, we all just might as well become regular truck drivers.

All I can see coming from this move by Fedex is that companies are going to price themselves out of the market. They are not going to be able to retain drivers and customers will get used to "double dipping" and "non-exclusive" use. This in turn will cause our traditional expedite customer base to expect us to work for lower rates while they demand on time service. Well, if you want your loads to be delivered on time "and run me to the point where I can't even stop to take a **** because the freight is hot" you better pay me for my dedication and service.

Aslo, look at the way in which Fedex is implimenting these changes on their cargo van drivers. As I recall, it wasn't very long ago when the fed switched over to a fixed weekly fuel surcharge surcharge. Let me put it to you this way; Fedex is pulling the old boil a frog trick. They are introducing the contract changes in systematic stages, kind of like putting a frog in warm water and then slowly increasing the heat until the frog is boiled alive. By the time the water gets too hot, the frog is too lazy to jump out of the pot. Don't let yourselves be pushed into this new contract Fedex drivers! You need to fight this tooth and nail.

This is bad for all of us! You Fedex drivers should turn down every load that they offer you under the new contract. It's not just you Fedex guys who will be impacted by this; it is the rest of us as well. Why don't our companies get together and agree to stop the bidding wars? Why can't we as drivers get together and tell the shippers and "NLM" that we are not going to be their slaves anymore. We need to do something about this other than ****, whine, and moan on this forum? Any suggestions would be appreciated!
 
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Lawrence

Founder
Staff member
Not to take away from your post but...

Keep this mind, when you refer to "the fed" in your posts - most people associate that with the "Federal Reserve", especially with all the talk of the economy right now.

Fedex CC would be a better description...if that is who you are talking about.

IMHO
 

dhalltoyo

Veteran Expediter
Slaves?

Are you living in the United States or are you posting from somewhere else?

If I don't like a movie...I get up and walk out.

If I don't like a business agreement...I move on.

You have the greatest opportunity afforded any person willing to apply themselves simply because you are living in this country.

Start your own compnay.

Start a different business.

Retrain.

Go back to school and choose a different career path.

Look...I am opposed to fixed fuel surcharges. FSC's should fluctuate along with market driven forces. Moreover, who doesn't want to see an increase in rates? I have been moving freight for the same cpm rate for over three years. The cost of business has continued to increase, but the rate has remained unchanged. Additionally, the cpm rate for a "Suggested Move" has not changed either. When fuel was $4.99/gal we got the same rate. It ain't rocket science. Any "Bean Counter" can easily calculate the economic loss to an owner/operator, but they have not been so inclined to increase the rates.

Plain and simple....It's just business.

Personally, I believe it is a waste of time and energy to assume you can force any company to pay you more money. From a Biblical perspective there is Scripture that tells me I should not attempt to do so; that is why I am opposed to unions.

There will come a point in time that a change will occur.

When will that happen? Your guess is as good as mine.

I am just thankful that I live in a country where I have the opportunity to choose. I enjoy trucking, but if it doesn't pay the bills...I might become your server at Applebee's. :)
 

dodgeboy

Seasoned Expediter
Slaves?



I am just thankful that I live in a country where I have the opportunity to choose. I enjoy trucking, but if it doesn't pay the bills...I might become your server at Applebee's. :)

Will you expedite my order as a server at Applebees? I want my food delivered direct from kitchen to table without any stops to fill up other patrons coffee!! lol
 

dhalltoyo

Veteran Expediter
Seriously...my truck is for sale.

I really like Applebee's and it has been my experience that foIks generally have greater success when their work is something they personally enjoy or believe the product is good.

Personally, I think Toyota makes the best cars and trucks for the money; hence, as a Toyota salesperson I averaged 256 units per year.

I could see myself working at Applebee's.

If I become your server you can count on "Express Delivery" :)





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Bruno

Veteran Expediter
Fleet Owner
US Marines
FedEx may have a reason for this, can you say Conway? Look what they did at Conway before Panther bought them. Conway changed things around before they sold off the expedite part of Conway. Something to think about. A company is worth more if the trucks are on a flat rate per mile. I hope that this don't happen to be honest. FedEx Custom Critical is a good company and I wished they never changed the name from Roberts Express.

With they way business levels are in trucking, companies laying off people we just don't know what is behind all of this.
 
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x06col

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
Retired Expediter
US Army
Hey chappy, would that "express delivery" be with a smile and a quick wit also??
 

dhalltoyo

Veteran Expediter
Yes sir.

Food will be hot and your drinks cold.

Your order will be....as ordered. ;)

Smiles are free too.
 

aileron

Expert Expediter
I have been with FedEx CC for a few years now, being a previous Panther O/O.

Two years ago when they changed the fuel surcharge many of us got tricked into signing it. I complained and complained very nicely, until they told me "This is how it is going to be, so if you don't like it, leave". At least back then, the people that did not sign the new lease agreement still got paid the full 100% fuel surcharge.

Right now, that is not the case any more. You are required to sign the new lease agreement. I tried to look at this as positively as I could, but the bottom line is that I will not be able to make it under the new pay rate. If they had the freight available, probably you could make it by working more, but freight is not there, and I don't think it will come quick enough that will not drive many of us out of business.

I only worked with Panther and FedEx and these are some points why I think FedEx under the new pay will be worse than Panther, even though they will pay $0.08/mile more (panther as I know them back then, since I don't know if they changed anything since then). I always thought that FedEx was a leader, now it looks like it will fall behind.

1. FedEx does not have the freight volume that Panther has. (Panther has more vans than Fedex, I know, but I still did lots more runs/month than with Fedex)
2. Panther pays 100% of the fuel surcharge to the driver, FedEx a variable rate, right now $0.10/mile (i know that some loads don't pay even that much fuel surcharge, but that is my choice if I want it or not)
3. FedEx requires DOT inspection for the vehicle TWICE a year, Panther 0
4. FedEx is really strict on 700 mi limit per run, including deadhead (I had a run that was 714 miles and they split it in half, wouldn't let me do it all, now I would understad for 900 miles or over, split it, but 710? Come on!)
5. FedEx requires a van 6 years old or younger, don't remember a limit for Panther.

If anything is incorrect here about Panther, please point it out, since I have been away for a while from them.

About a month ago I received an email from Panther that they want me back, they changed a few things and I would like them. One of the things that changed was that you do not go to the bottom of the list for a refusal. Is that true? I still don't know what I will do for sure, I still have to think about it until January 12th. I will take a second look at Panther and if I don't like what I see I will call it quits. I had fun, I liked driving and seeing different areas of this beautiful country, but if I cannot pay the bills, cannot do it any more.

Hopefully, better times will come, but I think it will get worse before it gets better. Good luck to you all whatever you decide to do.
 

easyrider2697

Expert Expediter
FedEx Custom Critical is a good company and I wished they never changed the name from Roberts Express.

Boy do I remember those days... I was contracted to Roberts when it all went down , just like the conway deal..and btw...it was not a name change it was a sell out, fedex got RPS and Roberts Express for the same deal
 

Bruno

Veteran Expediter
Fleet Owner
US Marines
Boy do I remember those days... I was contracted to Roberts when it all went down , just like the conway deal..and btw...it was not a name change it was a sell out, fedex got RPS and Roberts Express for the same deal

Patrick

We was still call Robert Express after the so call merger between FedEx and Caliber Logistics. They didn't change the name for two years later.
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
That true. That is when the blue Roberts decals came out.
With regards to the idea Fedex is cutting rates, my stock info and their site indicate something a little different.
fedex rates and service updates home
Hopefully good for my stock, but not too sure on anything else.
Could be too sensitive for some to discuss.
 

Moot

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
At Panther vans are required to have an annual D.O.T. inspection and owners must file a quarterly maintenance report.

How does anybody know that Panther pays 100% of the fuel surcharge?
 

jaminjim

Veteran Expediter
From the FedEx site:

Why are my rates changing? For a shipping company, the cost of doing business — fuel prices, the cost of updating or replacing equipment and vehicles, and more — makes it necessary for us periodically to evaluate our rates, surcharges and fees. We make adjustments to enable us to keep investing in our business and ensure that we continue to deliver the shipping solutions and service excellence you have come to expect from FedEx.
So I guess you will be able to get an increase afterall. The Fed knows that there are increased costss and must be getting ready to share the rate increase.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
From the FedEx site:

Why are my rates changing? For a shipping company, the cost of doing business — fuel prices, the cost of updating or replacing equipment and vehicles, and more — makes it necessary for us periodically to evaluate our rates, surcharges and fees. We make adjustments to enable us to keep investing in our business and ensure that we continue to deliver the shipping solutions and service excellence you have come to expect from FedEx.
So I guess you will be able to get an increase afterall. The Fed knows that there are increased costss and must be getting ready to share the rate increase.

Yeah ok Jim....this I have to see...*L*
 

jaminjim

Veteran Expediter
Well the logic is sound, the company readily admits that they know that the cost to do business increases over time. So how could they tell the customer that and then reduce their "partners" rate at the same time??? Are they now going to remove the rate increase, or stop the rate reduction for the "partners".
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Well the logic is sound, the company readily admits that they know that the cost to do business increases over time. So how could they tell the customer that and then reduce their "partners" rate at the same time??? Are they now going to remove the rate increase, or stop the rate reduction for the "partners".

Neither..In grand fashion they will raise their rates to customers and lower partners or stay the same...and increase their bottomline...Do you really think they give a rats butt about our cost of doing business? As Independant operators we'll have to control our costs as much as possible...and thats our job.
 

jaminjim

Veteran Expediter
Neither..In grand fashion they will raise their rates to customers and lower partners or stay the same...and increase their bottomline...Do you really think they give a rats butt about our cost of doing business? As Independant operators we'll have to control our costs as much as possible...and thats our job.


Well sure they care. :rolleyes:
 
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