FECC "CONTEST"
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the contest is a joke. fecc is trying to get a greater market share at the expense of the driver. did you read your newsleter? oh happy days, thanks to the contest, revenue increased by 3.6 million dollars. how does anyone like driving a e class DH at 30cpm? why haven't those rates gone up? overall, rates have gone down and dh has gone up. maybe because of a lack of trucks? how many loads are you getting that actually require a team in the truck? oh, i see, we need a team because of the DH miles! add to that all of the tolls we have to pay and getting sent to the boonies only to return at 30cpm and the pay just isn't what it used to be. i agree with the writer, if they want increased load acceptance then offer better loads! why dispatchers even bother talking with a customer that wants swift,schneider,werner rates is beyond my understanding. as i explained to one, this is FECC! for the service that we offer a customer should be paying higher rates. you don't go shopping at neiman-marcus and expect to pay walmart prices. how about the latest news at transport topics? fedex has announced that beginning next year there will be a 4% increase in rates and oh yeah, they will drop the surcharge 2%! the driver gets it again since fedex doesn't get their cut of the surcharge. recently spoke with a vip and asked if there was any truth to the rumor that fecc is going to go to a flat rate mileage charge in the area of $1.50-$1.55 per mile. it was stated that they were considering it but it would be nowhere near that high. do i believe in rumors? of course not. just like that rumor a while back that fedex was changing over to a standard color scheme. hmmmmmm?
You guys still do not have the difference between the FedEx opco's figured out. In reference to the claim that FedEx is increasing prices and lowering fuel surcharge - yes that is true - for FedEx Express. Please see excerpt from The Street website to clarify. If you are going to report facts, report the truth.
FedEx Gains, Ups Rates
By Ross Snel
TheStreet.com Staff Reporter
11/8/2004 10:32 AM EST
In Friday's announcement, FedEx said it would offset the 4.6% air-shipment rate increase with a change to its fuel surcharges; the company is calling for an effective 2.0-percentage-point rate decrease. Currently, the company passes on a 0.5% fuel surcharge when the price of a gallon of jet fuel hits 52 cents. For each 4-cent-a-gallon increase in fuel prices above 54 cents, the surcharge increases by an additional 0.5 percentage points. But beginning in January, FedEx will raise the surcharge threshold to 66 cents.
FedEx Gains, Ups Rates
By Ross Snel
TheStreet.com Staff Reporter
11/8/2004 10:32 AM EST
In Friday's announcement, FedEx said it would offset the 4.6% air-shipment rate increase with a change to its fuel surcharges; the company is calling for an effective 2.0-percentage-point rate decrease. Currently, the company passes on a 0.5% fuel surcharge when the price of a gallon of jet fuel hits 52 cents. For each 4-cent-a-gallon increase in fuel prices above 54 cents, the surcharge increases by an additional 0.5 percentage points. But beginning in January, FedEx will raise the surcharge threshold to 66 cents.
Jack Jackson
Expert Expediter
We are still in the running and really haven't changed anything about the way we run. We like the fact that we can always run legal, we can alway turn down cheap freight, and we can run our business as we see fit. Personally I like the idea that the prize is 10 owners each get $25,000. If you split it up between all who qualify it may make it small enough that it would not be worth working for. Oh and by the way, our pay per loaded mile, and all miles traveled has gone up during the contest.
I don't know that I would be sold on any company paying a percentage unless you see the costomer billing with your statement. How do you know you are getting that quoted percent?
If they are paying a percent, then there is always a reason. Not sure, try asking your carrier for the bills of the runs you had over the last several months.
Davekc
If they are paying a percent, then there is always a reason. Not sure, try asking your carrier for the bills of the runs you had over the last several months.
Davekc
>I don't know that I would be sold on any company paying a
>percentage unless you see the costomer billing with your
>statement. How do you know you are getting that quoted
>percent?
Dave: We've seen enough ppwk at the customer, over the years, where our settlement equaled the correct percentage of the price paid by the shipper; otherwise, it's a faith based system. We are invited to view the company's documentation at any time; however we've never done so. As long as my average price per revenue/all miles exceeds that of any other nationwide, dedicated use, expediter that I know of, I'll be pleased to operate on a percentage basis. I would consider continuing with my carrier if they convert to a fixed rate but it would have to be at least equal to that which we now enjoy.
Back to the $25K incentive...I fail to understand why there is so much negative comment on a process in which all the owner/operators for the carrier have an oppotunity to share. It costs us absolutly nothing to participate, no one is forced to take any load or go to any layover location. Dispatcher encouragement to take unfavorable loads has always been present, so nothing has changed there. My run offers have been the usual assortment of discount freight and premium priced freight, so nothing has changed there either. The complaints seem to be in the nature of the method the company has chosen to distribute the extra incentive money. It's their money; it's their choice. Let's rejoice in the sharing rather than complain about it.
>percentage unless you see the costomer billing with your
>statement. How do you know you are getting that quoted
>percent?
Dave: We've seen enough ppwk at the customer, over the years, where our settlement equaled the correct percentage of the price paid by the shipper; otherwise, it's a faith based system. We are invited to view the company's documentation at any time; however we've never done so. As long as my average price per revenue/all miles exceeds that of any other nationwide, dedicated use, expediter that I know of, I'll be pleased to operate on a percentage basis. I would consider continuing with my carrier if they convert to a fixed rate but it would have to be at least equal to that which we now enjoy.
Back to the $25K incentive...I fail to understand why there is so much negative comment on a process in which all the owner/operators for the carrier have an oppotunity to share. It costs us absolutly nothing to participate, no one is forced to take any load or go to any layover location. Dispatcher encouragement to take unfavorable loads has always been present, so nothing has changed there. My run offers have been the usual assortment of discount freight and premium priced freight, so nothing has changed there either. The complaints seem to be in the nature of the method the company has chosen to distribute the extra incentive money. It's their money; it's their choice. Let's rejoice in the sharing rather than complain about it.
Broompilot
Veteran Expediter
Very intresting Posts. Since Monday will be my first day going into service.
We are invited to view the company's
>documentation at any time; however we've never done so. As
>long as my average price per revenue/all miles exceeds that
>of any other nationwide, dedicated use, expediter that I
>know of, I'll be pleased to operate on a percentage basis.
I agree. Some expediting companies "guarantee" a certain rate per loaded mile. To me, all that means is I'm guaranteed to never earn more than that, unless the rate is adjusted. In any given economic moment, there are high-paying and low-paying loads to be found. I'm pleased that my carrier has many high-paying loads. Our all miles figure (loaded, deadhead, personal, wrong turns, and out of route miles to see Aunt Joyce, all combined) is significantly higher than the advertized loaded miles rates I've seen.
Diane and I researched carriers extensively before we started over a year ago. Then and now, we have yet to find a carrier that pays more than FedEx CC over a meaningful period of time. There are carriers out there that can legitimately claim to pay as well, but none I know of can legitimately claim to pay better.
Stated another way, we know of nowhere in the industry where a team with our qualifications, equipment, and in-service, load acceptance, and on-time numbers could go to do better than we are doing right now at FedEx CC. Happy campers here!
Now, before the Tom Robertson types jump in, please note that I'm talking about the major carriers. I freely admit that a smaller operation may well offer more pay.
>documentation at any time; however we've never done so. As
>long as my average price per revenue/all miles exceeds that
>of any other nationwide, dedicated use, expediter that I
>know of, I'll be pleased to operate on a percentage basis.
I agree. Some expediting companies "guarantee" a certain rate per loaded mile. To me, all that means is I'm guaranteed to never earn more than that, unless the rate is adjusted. In any given economic moment, there are high-paying and low-paying loads to be found. I'm pleased that my carrier has many high-paying loads. Our all miles figure (loaded, deadhead, personal, wrong turns, and out of route miles to see Aunt Joyce, all combined) is significantly higher than the advertized loaded miles rates I've seen.
Diane and I researched carriers extensively before we started over a year ago. Then and now, we have yet to find a carrier that pays more than FedEx CC over a meaningful period of time. There are carriers out there that can legitimately claim to pay as well, but none I know of can legitimately claim to pay better.
Stated another way, we know of nowhere in the industry where a team with our qualifications, equipment, and in-service, load acceptance, and on-time numbers could go to do better than we are doing right now at FedEx CC. Happy campers here!
Now, before the Tom Robertson types jump in, please note that I'm talking about the major carriers. I freely admit that a smaller operation may well offer more pay.
Diane and I researched carriers extensively before we started over a year ago. Then and now, we have yet to find a carrier that pays more than FedEx CC over a meaningful period of time. There are carriers out there that can legitimately claim to pay as well, but none I know of can legitimately claim to pay better.
Stated another way, we know of nowhere in the industry where a team with our qualifications, equipment, and in-service, load acceptance, and on-time numbers could go to do better than we are doing right now at FedEx CC. Happy campers here!
Now, before the Tom Robertson types jump in, please note thay close to that I'm talking about the major carriers. I freely admit that a smaller operation may well offer more pay.
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I am glad you offered the latter. As far as the big three, they all pay close to the same. If they pay a percentage, it should be just that, not a figure that seems adequate.
I find it amazing that folks trust a company yet the company fails to trust you. If so, why are there escrows and qual-coms ect.
As Ronald Reagan quoted "trust but verify"
Davekc
Stated another way, we know of nowhere in the industry where a team with our qualifications, equipment, and in-service, load acceptance, and on-time numbers could go to do better than we are doing right now at FedEx CC. Happy campers here!
Now, before the Tom Robertson types jump in, please note thay close to that I'm talking about the major carriers. I freely admit that a smaller operation may well offer more pay.
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I am glad you offered the latter. As far as the big three, they all pay close to the same. If they pay a percentage, it should be just that, not a figure that seems adequate.
I find it amazing that folks trust a company yet the company fails to trust you. If so, why are there escrows and qual-coms ect.
As Ronald Reagan quoted "trust but verify"
Davekc
Truth In Leasing ..was...RE: FECC "CONTEST"
>I don't know that I would be sold on any company paying a
>percentage unless you see the costomer billing with your
>statement. How do you know you are getting that quoted
>percent?
>If they are paying a percent, then there is always a reason.
>Not sure, try asking your carrier for the bills of the runs
>you had over the last several months.
>Davekc
I thought...and I am open to correction on this point...that the carrier MUST provide a copy of the rated freight bill.
No Ifs Ands or Buts...it's the law! They must provide the owner operator with a copy with the settlement.
That was one big reason that carriers went away from percentage for owner-operators to mileage as the basis of pay.
Owner-operators would not need a rated freight bill because they knew that they are making X dollars on a run because it is X number of miles.
Is this true or fiction?
I appologise to all if it is fiction or rumour.
>I don't know that I would be sold on any company paying a
>percentage unless you see the costomer billing with your
>statement. How do you know you are getting that quoted
>percent?
>If they are paying a percent, then there is always a reason.
>Not sure, try asking your carrier for the bills of the runs
>you had over the last several months.
>Davekc
I thought...and I am open to correction on this point...that the carrier MUST provide a copy of the rated freight bill.
No Ifs Ands or Buts...it's the law! They must provide the owner operator with a copy with the settlement.
That was one big reason that carriers went away from percentage for owner-operators to mileage as the basis of pay.
Owner-operators would not need a rated freight bill because they knew that they are making X dollars on a run because it is X number of miles.
Is this true or fiction?
I appologise to all if it is fiction or rumour.
RE: Truth In Leasing ..was...RE: FECC "CONTEST"
Yes you are correct in that they must provide the complete bill upon request. Once you try that see how many runs and what types after that. Many will refuse to show it to you. We had a past experience with this and of course they failed to show us the bill. Of course, it got lost. We had later found out that they were keeping a larger percentage than their contract allowed. We found out because I had hauled previously for this customer under my own authority.
Information on a statement can be anything they so desire. A copy of the customers bill is what I would require since having the previous experience.
Being on a percentage doesn't mean additional income as indicated by others. I seen a FEDex reference of .48 cents per mile. What kind of percentage is that? 100 percent of 0 is still 0 percent. Many of the companies even on flat rates will pay addition income on a run if it is warranted. Examples of this would be east coast runs, tolls ect. While fed ex may be on the up and up, how do you really know?
When companies run on a percentage there is always a reason.
Davekc
Yes you are correct in that they must provide the complete bill upon request. Once you try that see how many runs and what types after that. Many will refuse to show it to you. We had a past experience with this and of course they failed to show us the bill. Of course, it got lost. We had later found out that they were keeping a larger percentage than their contract allowed. We found out because I had hauled previously for this customer under my own authority.
Information on a statement can be anything they so desire. A copy of the customers bill is what I would require since having the previous experience.
Being on a percentage doesn't mean additional income as indicated by others. I seen a FEDex reference of .48 cents per mile. What kind of percentage is that? 100 percent of 0 is still 0 percent. Many of the companies even on flat rates will pay addition income on a run if it is warranted. Examples of this would be east coast runs, tolls ect. While fed ex may be on the up and up, how do you really know?
When companies run on a percentage there is always a reason.
Davekc
RE: Truth In Leasing ..was...RE: FECC
FedEx didn't offer a run at 48 cents.. that was from Doggie Daddy earlier in this post.... and he was 'closest driver'.. and with DEADHEAD figured in it was 48 cents.
I said then, and I'll say again.. I know of no driver who would deadhead so far, but ya gotta feel for the poor sap tryin to dispatch that!
It doesn't matter if you're getting percentage or straight pay, if the deadhead is too far, it still works out crappy.
Dreamer
FedEx didn't offer a run at 48 cents.. that was from Doggie Daddy earlier in this post.... and he was 'closest driver'.. and with DEADHEAD figured in it was 48 cents.
I said then, and I'll say again.. I know of no driver who would deadhead so far, but ya gotta feel for the poor sap tryin to dispatch that!
It doesn't matter if you're getting percentage or straight pay, if the deadhead is too far, it still works out crappy.
Dreamer
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RE: FECC
>Ok... Question for you FECC contractors.Are you still n the
>running?Have you givin up? If so why? Do you feel the money
>they have put into this program could have been put to
>better use?
Yes, I'm still in the contest, since it started my Truck has done
42 loads as a team and we haven't been offered no loads paying .48 a mile. And no we are not in white glove either. Since the contest started I'm at $1.59 a loaded mile and a $1.13 for all miles and over $37,000.00 to the truck. The truck has only been in service 85% since the contest started.
I have been With FedEx/Robert's Express since March of 1995 and have Made Great Money and I have had trucks on with other place's too,but none has payed the best like FedEx Custom Critical. The reason for the contest is to keep trucks in service more and for more loads to be taken, not turned down. And No I'm not a butt kisser with FedEx CC,
I just tell it like it is. I would say I'm one of there most out spoken owner's they have. Just ask them.
And If I was to leave FedEx or to put another truck on with another place. Landstar would be the place. Well, I have said my thought's about this matter.
Good luck and be safe David Mayfield
>Ok... Question for you FECC contractors.Are you still n the
>running?Have you givin up? If so why? Do you feel the money
>they have put into this program could have been put to
>better use?
Yes, I'm still in the contest, since it started my Truck has done
42 loads as a team and we haven't been offered no loads paying .48 a mile. And no we are not in white glove either. Since the contest started I'm at $1.59 a loaded mile and a $1.13 for all miles and over $37,000.00 to the truck. The truck has only been in service 85% since the contest started.
I have been With FedEx/Robert's Express since March of 1995 and have Made Great Money and I have had trucks on with other place's too,but none has payed the best like FedEx Custom Critical. The reason for the contest is to keep trucks in service more and for more loads to be taken, not turned down. And No I'm not a butt kisser with FedEx CC,
I just tell it like it is. I would say I'm one of there most out spoken owner's they have. Just ask them.
And If I was to leave FedEx or to put another truck on with another place. Landstar would be the place. Well, I have said my thought's about this matter.
Good luck and be safe David Mayfield
RE: FECC
I quess I am a skeptic when it comes to this kind of thing. I know of several people going broke with them in addition to one that did. Maybe you have to be at the right place at the right time? I don't know. When looking at the classifieds here, there are alot of folks looking for drivers and there with FedEx. While they are the largest, it seems alot of folks either are bailing out and looking for someone to drive their truck, or they are for sale.
I was with Roberts before they became Fedex. Those were certainly the glory days, not what it appears is there now.
$1.13 for all miles isn't that bad unless you wasted your money on reefers,liftgates ect. I don't know about that .48 cents a mile madness. We are with Panther currently, and you averages aren't really any different than were we are at. Like I said earlier, most of the large carriers pay close to the same.
Davekc
I quess I am a skeptic when it comes to this kind of thing. I know of several people going broke with them in addition to one that did. Maybe you have to be at the right place at the right time? I don't know. When looking at the classifieds here, there are alot of folks looking for drivers and there with FedEx. While they are the largest, it seems alot of folks either are bailing out and looking for someone to drive their truck, or they are for sale.
I was with Roberts before they became Fedex. Those were certainly the glory days, not what it appears is there now.
$1.13 for all miles isn't that bad unless you wasted your money on reefers,liftgates ect. I don't know about that .48 cents a mile madness. We are with Panther currently, and you averages aren't really any different than were we are at. Like I said earlier, most of the large carriers pay close to the same.
Davekc
RE: FECC
>I quess I am a skeptic when it comes to this kind of thing.
>I know of several people going broke with them in addition
>to one that did.
>I was with Roberts before they became Fedex. Those were
>certainly the glory days, not what it appears is there now.
>$1.13 for all miles isn't that bad unless you wasted your
>money on reefers,liftgates ect. I don't know about that .48
>cents a mile madness.
I am sure Panther has their share of contractors go belly-up.
Some people couldnt manage their buisness if they had a Billion dollars in the bank.As for the "Glorys days at Roberts" I also remember the lean years,like `95 and `96.
>I quess I am a skeptic when it comes to this kind of thing.
>I know of several people going broke with them in addition
>to one that did.
>I was with Roberts before they became Fedex. Those were
>certainly the glory days, not what it appears is there now.
>$1.13 for all miles isn't that bad unless you wasted your
>money on reefers,liftgates ect. I don't know about that .48
>cents a mile madness.
I am sure Panther has their share of contractors go belly-up.
Some people couldnt manage their buisness if they had a Billion dollars in the bank.As for the "Glorys days at Roberts" I also remember the lean years,like `95 and `96.
RE: FECC
David Mayfield said,
> I have been With FedEx/Robert's Express since March of 1995
>and have Made Great Money and I have had trucks on with
>other place's too,but none has payed the best like FedEx
>Custom Critical.
That strikes me as important information from someone that's in a position to know.
David Mayfield said,
> I have been With FedEx/Robert's Express since March of 1995
>and have Made Great Money and I have had trucks on with
>other place's too,but none has payed the best like FedEx
>Custom Critical.
That strikes me as important information from someone that's in a position to know.