Factory sprinter floor

brokcanadian

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Never thought about getting the skids caught, my alumnibunk was set up with raised e track...still researching epoxys, but I imagine they could be gouged as well... carpet pieces would have to be more like 4' x 6' but I like that cost and weight wise!

As for the checker plate you should have seen my stunned face when they asked if I wanted the "towlif" at my first delivery in Ohio...took me about 5 minutes to figure out what he meant, thought he was saying I was too sweaty and needed to towel off
 
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brokcanadian

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Interesting facts about epoxy resin

The bond strength (ASTM C-882) is 2110 p.s.i., which is much stronger than any other floor covering. Its flexural strength, or ability to move without breaking, (ASTM C-580-68) is 6,075 seven days after application. The compressive strength (ASTM D-695) is 9,910 p.s.i. — extraordinarily high, and though it shouldn’t be a shock, the hardness, Shore D, is 65 in the 24 hours after application and goes up to 75 in the 7 days after applying.

Costs more than pieces of carpet tho

Edit: could have bonding issues with the old floor and costs 400 for a kit, carpet it is
 
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Windsor

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The factory sprinter floor is the best I've seen for vans so far. Wish there was someplace we could buy that material.
 

xiggi

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I think the floor is very similar to the new outdoor deck material. Same type of product.
 

Windsor

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My trucks floor is due to be redone now. Prematurely because the previous owner never protected the wood with anything. Unfortunately I still don't know a better option then a quality interior grade plywood and polyurethane. In my last truck, once a yr or so I would sand it and a fresh coat of polyurethane would fill in all the gouges. Note: as the polyurethane cures don't let your dog run through your van. True story!
 
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Windsor

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Unfortunately polyurethane don't cure as hard as it used to. Over the past 15 yrs or so the EPA has made the manufacturers take all the good solvents out of it.
 

Turtle

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Not sure about now, but when I started most vanners just used plain plywood and flipped it after a couple years then replaced it. A good coating will make it last much longer.

The Minwax Polycrylic is quite hard. It's basically your basic water borne acrylic finish fortified with polyurethane resins. It's not normally recommended for floors because it's not as durable as regular polyurethane. You need 2-3 coats, and you need to clean the deck and reapply another 2-3 coats every couple of years.

The Minwax Polyurethane is definitely harder, and 2-3 coats would probably last 3-5 years out here. It's a water-based, fast-drying polyurethane, so while hard, it won't be as hard as some oil-based polyurethanes. Oil-based polyurethanes can take up to 7 days drying time and 30 days to fully cure, though.

If you want silly-hard, go with General Finishes High Performance Top Coat, which is a water-based polyurethane that I've used on actual floors. It's great. You'll need 3 coats, 3-4 hours drying time between coats, and then 24 hours at least 48-72 would be better, before putting skids on it. Furniture replacement and walking on it is 24 hours. If you're doing an actual floor in the house, you'll want to 300 grit it between coats. Won't matter much in the truck.
 
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Windsor

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Not sure about now, but when I started most vanners just used plain plywood and flipped it after a couple years then replaced it. A good coating will make it last much longer.

The Minwax Polycrylic is quite hard. It's basically your basic water borne acrylic finish fortified with polyurethane resins. It's not normally recommended for floors because it's not as durable as regular polyurethane. You need 2-3 coats, and you need to clean the deck and reapply another 2-3 coats every couple of years.

The Minwax Polyurethane is definitely harder, and 2-3 coats would probably last 3-5 years out here. It's a water-based, fast-drying polyurethane, so while hard, it won't be as hard as some oil-based polyurethanes. Oil-based polyurethanes can take up to 7 days drying time and 30 days to fully cure, though.

If you want silly-hard, go with General Finishes High Performance Top Coat, which is a water-based polyurethane that I've used on actual floors. It's great. You'll need 3 coats, 3-4 hours drying time between coats, and then 24 hours at least 48-72 would be better, before putting skids on it. Furniture replacement and walking on it is 24 hours. If you're doing an actual floor in the house, you'll want to 300 grit it between coats. Won't matter much in the truck.
It's 70 bucks a gallon. It might be worth it, idk. I'm curious as to how much harder it is then one of the name brands that's 20 bucks a gallon cheaper.
 

billg27

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Looks great! Makes me want to get off my ass and redo mine. Are you going to do a cordless drill comparison video next?

LOL. One for the drill bit, one for the counter sink bit and one with a large Phillips bit. When I took that picture 9 months ago, never gave a thought to the drills sitting there. Just wanted a picture for my build album.
 

Turtle

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It's 70 bucks a gallon. It might be worth it, idk. I'm curious as to how much harder it is then one of the name brands that's 20 bucks a gallon cheaper.
I don't know how much harder it is than cheaper polyurethane, but I do know the General Finishes the hardest polyurethane you can buy at the retail level.

Any oil-based polyurethane is going to be cheaper than a water-based polyurethane. The big trade off is the drying time, because the oil takes a really long time to dry and then cure.

Waterlox Original comes close to the General Finishes (the VOC-compliant version is the harder than the non-VOC-compliant versions, but is $109 a gallon). Waterlox is out of Cleveland, so you may be able to score a deal or something. It's a 24 hour dry time between coats, and you can walk on it after 24 hours in sock feet only, but no furniture or anything for 7 days, and takes 30-90 days to fully cure. Probably 60 days before you'd want to put a skid on it.

To get harder you need to go with a poly-carbonate/polyurethane mix. The absolute hardest finish is an "acid-cured" Swedish finish polyurethane (sometimes called conversion varnish sealers), and it has to be primed and then coated with a conversion varnish topcoat, which acts as a catalyst to harden it. It has a very strong smell and takes only 2-3 hours between coats, but 30 days to cure before it can handle putting furniture back in place (although few contractors will actually use it in a residence), and 60 days before it's fully cured. It's only available to the pros, though, so you;ll have to get a contractor or maybe a hardware store to order it for you.

A step below "acid-cured" but a step above water and oil based polyurethanes is "moisture-cured" polyurethane. As with the "acid-cured" it's not recommended for DIYers and will need to be obtained from a contractor. When used in a home, the home must be vacated for 2 weeks.

I've put polyurethane on plenty of furniture, bookshelves, other woodwork, and have done it to kitchen cabinets a couple of times, and I think I used pretty much the $35 a gallon stuff. There's only just so durable you need the finish on furniture and cabinets to be. About 3 years ago when I needed to do the floors in the house, I did a lot of research on it. I also talked to 3 remodeling contractors and a couple of home interior stores that sell paint and stuff. All 3 contractors recommended either General Finishes or Waterlox, and said General Finishes is the hardest you can get without using the pro stuff, and none recommended the pro stuff for use in a home. Both home interior stores recommended General Finishes.

I asked a couple of the contractors about use for the truck, they both said General Finishes, for sure. And that Waterlox is also a good choice, just not quite as durable for sliding heavy pallets. But that was more for a finish appearance than a utility standpoint. Neither recommend the acid or moisture cured product, saying that if it was gouged it would crack and peel away. Great for high foot traffic, but not so much for things that could damage it.

I think pretty much any polyurethane you use is going to be OK. Water dries quicker, oil takes a lot longer but is cheaper. The polycrylic isn't recommended for floors, and it's what I've been using. It holds up well, although I do have to reapply it every couple of years. This next time I'm using the General Finishes, though.

The Minwax Spar Polyurethane pictured above seems to be holding up, and it's actually the exact.. way.. wrong.. kind of polyurethane to use on a floor. Spar polyurethane has a lot of benefits, but foot traffic and standing up to the abuse of pallets ain't one of them, as it just rubs off. But even at that, Bill's is holding up fine. That, and the polycrylic I've been using, is why I think any ol' polyurethane is gonna be fine.

For the curious, spar polyurethane is an outdoor finish and offers great UV protection. And it stands up to the heat and cold, where furniture will expand and contract with the temperature. So it's relatively soft and flexible. It was developed for, oddly enough, spars. A spar is a thick pole used on boats, like for the mast, the yard arm, boom, gaff, anything like that. When the mast pole, boom, gaff, whatever bends with the wind, the spar polyurethane bends with it instead of cracking and splitting.

As for the price of the General Finishes stuff, or the Waterlox VOC, the General Finishes coverage is 150 square feet per quart. If you have a 4x12 deck, that's 48 square feet. You need three coats so that's 144 square feet. So all you need is a quart. For the Waterlox, its coverage is only 125 square feet per coat, and you'll need 4 coats of Waterlox, so 192 square feet, which is 2 quarts.
 

Windsor

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Well that does it. When I do it I'm using the general finishes. My sprinter cargo area is around 62 square ft so I'll need two quarts. Not sure if the diy centers carry it so I may have to order it.
 
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