Facebook is running people off
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Folly being taking on the swamp? At least he had the guts to try.
Yes, because the left controls the media so there is no longer common sense, just nonsense. Eliminate the left, eliminate the nonsense.
EO is media. Does the left control it? Same question for the Wall Street Journal, Fox News, New York Post, Brietbart News, OANN, Newsmax, Washington Examiner, etc.? These entities are not without significant audiences. Are they controlled by the left?
If that's not the pot calling the kettle black, i dont know what is!
Some don't know what they don't know. Just saying.
The left would have next to no interest in EO. The others, varying levels. And they are experiencing various levels of leftist control. All mainstream news media faces leftist input of varying degrees, the majority of media sources being controlled and espousing leftism.
Some are already. Google has targeted Breitbart and has affected their business tremendously. I'm waiting and seeing when NewsMax and OANN and possibly Fox News get kicked off platforms like Pluto TV and Roku TV because they have non leftist voices on them. Will you be ok with that then?
If I had a business I would probably use Facebook to advertise. Especially if I had a gym to run. Gyms need all the help they can get. I had a membership at a health club, but I had to let it go for now. No reason right now to go into a covid rich environment like that.
Remember, some of these social media sites like Twitter became monopolies because they used the pretense of a public forum for exchanging ideas for all people . But now are targeting non leftists pretty much exclusively once they had the power to do so. That is a clear anti trust violation.
Going off topic a bit to respond to your comment, gyms are not the "covid rich" environment you suggest. Contact tracing data and other data worldwide now available show gyms are not high-risk environments. Bars are. Restaurants are that do not provide social distancing. Households seem to be the biggest hot-spots. Gyms are lower on the list such that governors like FL Desantis, NY Coumo, and MN Waltz are allowing gyms to fully open or open with certain restrictions. Industry wide, about 1/3 of gyms are expected to fail. Four gyms in our area have closed outright or been sold by owners that went bankrupt. We're in better shape. Just hired three new staff members and invested significant money in a new marketing campaign to further grow the gym. 2020 was a year of decline for us, revenue-wise, compared to 2019. 2021 is already showing itself to be a recovery year and one of new growth. The virus will be beat down in coming months by now-available vaccines. The gyms that survived the shutdowns and economic decline will be stronger than ever because their teams had what it took to adapt and overcome in 2020. In our area, the gyms that went broke were the ones whose owners managed their money poorly (spent it on fancy houses and cars) before covid, and built no loyalty among their staff by treating them like expenses on their spreadsheets instead of human beings that are assets to the business.
Have you asked yourself why? All the hate speech and threats couldn’t have anything to do with it could it?
I don’t ever remember the left inciting riots because we lost a fair election. I don’t ever remember the left threatening to kidnap and kill a Republican Governor (or two).
Now we have Republican Congress people being followed and their lives threatened because they followed the constitution. Not to mention the Vice President being threatened.
I got called down on this site because I said that someone is drinking the koolaid..... Really threatening stuff isn’t it? No hate or threat involved. If I had tried to spread lies or hate speech or threats against anyone, I should be kicked off. That’s exactly what FB and Twitter and others are doing now. Has nothing to do with left or right.
Your side lost. Get over it!
Just imagine what you righties would be saying and doing if the roles were reversed? I’ll bet anything I own that you would be coming down far harder than we are.
Think about it.
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I would educate yourself. There are countless examples of that type of speech made by the Left.
Depends on what you define hate speech to be. The Left has increasingly defined hate speech to mean anything the the Left disagrees with. We see that in the countless examples of a liberal and a conservative saying something and only the conservative gets banned from Twitter or Facebook.
You're kidding, right?
Tens of Thousands Protest Trump Election Victory, 124 Arrested
If you're referring to Michigan, those who were plotting that weren't on the right, either. They famously had anti Trump and anti government posts on their social media accounts.
Actually you got called down in private, not on this site. And it wasn't for saying someone was drinking Kool-aid, it was for going off topic to attack an individual thereby changing the topic of the thread. We can make that entire conversation thread public if you want.
More to the topic at hand, yes, everybody knows Facebook and Twitter are not constrained in any way by the First Amendment. Everybody also knows that social media has become the de facto Public Square. As such, social media has a social responsibility which they are purposely ignoring.
The idea of free speech, freedom of thought, is not an idea solely within the confines of limiting the government in abridging speech. It is an idea ingrained in every American, government not required. And it's not even restricted to Americans, as people the world over yearn to speak freely their thoughts and opinions. "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it," was written as an illustration of Voltaire's beliefs. Voltaire was a Frenchman. The quote is often attributed to him directly, and it's sure sounds like him, but he never actually said that. But his attitude in defending speech he disagreed with didn't involve the government. It involved individuals in society at large. Everyone has a natural expectation of being able to say out loud what they believe. That's the same responsibility that social media has, but it's failing utterly to engage.
I'm old enough to remember way back when the only exceptions to protected free speech was shouting fire in a crowded theater, or some other speech that would directly spark panic or rioting or some kind of violent or illegal behavior. Increasingly in the public square the exceptions to protected speech have been expanded to include questioning elections that Democrats won, even being critical of the Left is no longer protected within the public square of social media. Social media isn't even pretending to be a neutral platform anymore.
Facebook's Mark Zuckerberg has famously several times testified in front of Congress that he would welcome congressional regulations over social media. But what he says in less brightly lit environments is the regulations he's talking about are the ones that social media are already doing, regulations that are in the best interest of social media but not in the best interest of society. An example of that is forcing platforms like Parler to adhere to the same standards and regulations as Twitter and the other social media platforms.
Twitter's Jack Dorsey (along with Vijaya Gadde, who manages Twitter policy) and journalist Tim Pool was on the Joe Rogan Podcast a little over a year ago. Tim was given free reign to ask Jack some hard questions, and the responses were stunning. Turns out, even when Twitter thinks it's trying to be neutral, they're not, because they intentionally craft terms of service and rules that explicitly favor the liberal mindset and disfavor the conservative mindset. Jack and Vijaya openly admitted this under questioning from Tim, saying that conservatives should should probably change their way of thinking.
Again, we all know these are private companies and the First Amendment doesn't apply to them, but the idea of freedom of thought and speech, and defending speech with which you disagree, applies to everybody, especially in the public square.