Expenses and Homeless

Broompilot

Veteran Expediter
Trucks must be pretty expensive these days. Anyone priced a decked out triple sized bunk sleeper with a tiny box and all the bells and whistles.

Is it appriciating or depreciating on the tax line? Guess that does not matter just run with freight, and one might out run the depreciating monster. If one can run that fast.
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
Being essentially homeless and heavily in debt wouldn't be the chosen path to success in this business. As mentioned, leveraging on a depreciating asset doesn't make a whole lot of sense. If it did, the carriers would buy their own equipment.








Davekc
owner
23 years
PantherII
EO moderator
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
but unless you use the home as a brothel,it wont pay for itself
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Not sure where you are buying property but I have never lost money on any real estate transaction. That includes the taxes,maintenance and every other cost deducted from the investment.
You have to buy and sell at the right time.

I did however see a truck from New Orleans at the MATTS show that was decorated as a brothel. And they won a prize for something?
Might be some idea behind your thoughts.









Davekc
owner
23 years
PantherII
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RichM

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
But why would someone sell property that appreciates every year in order to buy a vehicle that depreciates. Any decent financial planner would give a large NO to that instrument.
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
Broompilot,

As stated on my web site (see truck specs link below), our truck cost $251,000 to build. That does not include the cost of our freight handling equipment. It also does not include finance costs and insurance, both of which will be higher than trucks that cost less.

For the record, a $180,000 DR-unit can haul more freight than a $250,000 CR-unit can. Only an idiot would spend more money for a smaller payload. And if I had it to do over again, this idiot would do the exact same thing! :D

We purchased the truck in June, 2006 at the best prices we could then get from our vednors. Since then, 2007 emissions compliance costs and raw materials prices have increased a healthy amount. Today, this same truck would cost at least $15,000 more to build.

Yes, the truck is a depreciating asset, and that depreciation has some value as a tax deduction, and a depreicating asset reduces one's net worth on a financial statement. But that is only half the story.

The truck is is also an income-producing asset that is not only well on its way to paying for itself but can be expected to provide an acceptable if not very good return on investment over its useful life. What is lost on the asset value side is more than recovered on the cash side, as the revenue flows in.

I'm not sure what the "homeless" part of your post has to do with. Kindly note that just because Diane and I do not own a house, we are no more homeless than anyone else that rents residential space.

As for other real property and how the rest of our assets are allocated among asset classes, that is personal. You need not be concerned for our well being. We're getting by.

Finally, would I advise someone else to buy a truck like ours? Absolutely not. I have never advised anyone to purchase a truck of any kind and I never will.
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
>But why would someone sell property that appreciates every
>year in order to buy a vehicle that depreciates. Any decent
>financial planner would give a large NO to that instrument.

RichM,

I agree with you. So people do not misunderstand our circumstances. Diand and I DID NOT sell our house to buy a truck. Our house sale proceeds went in the bank. We purchased our truck the same way other people do, with a down payment and a truck loan. The money for the down payment came from the expediting earnings we saved up while we drove fleet owner trucks for three years.
 

Tennesseahawk

Veteran Expediter
Phil... I didn't see anyone bring up your name in the conversation. But your statement "You need not be concerned for our well being. We're getting by." makes me curious as to why you ask ppl things you're not prepared to answer yourself. Reminded me of a comic some months back.
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
It is a matter of context. Had the original question been more specific, and the timing of it relative to other posts been different, the response would have been different too.
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
makes me curious as
>to why you ask ppl things you're not prepared to answer
>yourself.

Interesting observation but do you have a specific example? I know of none.
 

highway star

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
Homes do appreciate, but so do other investments. If someone chooses the "gypsy" lifestyle and prefers not to have the responsibilities of home ownership, is that really such a bad thing? Leaving a home vacant or having someone else living there presents it's own set of concerns.
 

TeamCaffee

Administrator
Staff member
Owner/Operator
We also sold our home and invested the money for when we want to quit our gypsy life style. We are very careful about the cost of living index. You cannot afford to put your money into an investment that is not making more then the cost of inflation. We felt as if we would be running backwards if we did this. Everything is a risk though and even though we have our money invested well we could still lose.
We have our huge depreciating asset in our truck and next year we will have to weigh the consequences of not getting a new truck and not having any depreciation deduction left. This a very real juggle as do you want to risk of a new truck payment and the depreciation that comes with it or do you want a paid for truck and no depreciation deduction. We are still making our truck payment to us for our future truck as we would like to put as much down on it as possible.
Everything we do is a risk but we are trying to do everything possible to minimize that risk.

Have we ever mentioned we love our job!!!
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
I got what Broom is saying and I think that it is clear to many of us who know what the deal is to keep things to a minimal when planning and buying tools.

As cryptic as my statement is, I got to add for some that jump into this without thinking, DON’T.

I met a couple in SF area who was going to be with the cat and they just bought themselves a truck, after selling their trailer, camper and pickups – go figure they were actually homeless. They were sold a bill of goods not by the recruiter but other expediters who have been lucky by just buying a truck and signing on with a company. Who knows they may be reading this post right now. Well anyway after talking to them for two hours and answering their questions, they were really not happy with the decision, which brings me to my point; they didn’t spend a lot of money in comparison to Phil and others, their truck as $63K but $63k is a lot to them (and to me now) and that was what they could afford, I forgot what their payments are, but they will be struggling for a long time because they didn’t think it all out.

By the way is 3 times what I paid for my truck.

Oh and Phil, after seeing a nice C unit in Arizona, I don’t think you have the most expensive one out there.
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
>Oh and Phil, after seeing a nice C unit in Arizona, I
>don’t think you have the most expensive one out there.

That has been true from the day we picked up our truck. Ours is an economy compact compared to some of the stretch limos that are out there. We built the truck we wanted, and now we have it. We are happy with it and hope to drive it for ten years or more. There are drivers out there who build trucks to impress others. We are not among them. While our truck generates a lot of questions and interest, we would be just as happy if no one asked.
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
>We have our huge depreciating asset in our truck and next
>year we will have to weigh the consequences of not getting a
>new truck and not having any depreciation deduction left.
>This a very real juggle as do you want to risk of a new
>truck payment and the depreciation that comes with it or do
>you want a paid for truck and no depreciation deduction.

Both when I worked as a financial planner and now as a truck driver, I have seen many people let the tax tail wag the personal prosperity dog. People hate paying taxes, and understandably so! Something that can reduce one's tax burden tends to be seen as the way to go before other options are fully investigated. You are wise to be pondering this now, while you have the time to think things through.

It may be helpful to focus on your financial goals. Define exactly what you are trying to accomplish. Write it down. Tax savings is an important goal. I suggest that increasing your net worth after tax is a more important goal. Tax savings is a means to an end. It is not an end in itself.

With your goals clearly defined, you will be able to easily determine what the true value of your depreciation deduction is, and how to apply that value in your financial affairs. Naturally, your accountant, tax preparer and/or financial planner should be consulted.

Also note that a variety of depreciation schedules are available to owner-operators. Schedules other than the three-year one you mention may better suit your needs. All of them should be considered before you commit to one (or choose against them all). Be sure to ask your advisor to explain them all, and how they will affect your financial life.

Finally, depreciation recapture is an item all owner-operators should understand. If you do not, be sure to have your advisor instruct you on that topic too.

It would do little good for you to share your specifics here. Share them with your advisor(s) in private, making sure they have fully informed you on the above issues.

One of the best ways to approach an advisor of any kind is with your goals in hand. Tell them exactly what you wish to accomplish and ask them how best to proceed. Second opinions require more work but they are worth the trouble. When they conflict, and they likely will, you and your advisers can discuss the differences and map out a course of action that is fully researched and dialed into your own way of being.

DISCLAIMER: None of the above should be construed to be or taken as professional financial advice. While I was a financial professional years ago, I am not one today. Today, I am a truck driver. The comments above should be given no more weight than comments offered at a truck stop lunch counter by a perfect stranger who has no professional qualifications (except a CDL), or from someone even stranger babbling away in the middle of the night on a CB radio.
 

are12

Expert Expediter
<<<<<DISCLAIMER: None of the above should be construed to be or taken as professional financial advice. While I was a financial professional years ago, I am not one today. Today, I am a truck driver. The comments above should be given no more weight than comments offered at a truck stop lunch counter by a perfect stranger who has no professional qualifications (except a CDL), or from someone even stranger babbling away in the middle of the night on a CB radio.>>>>>>

Now, that is funny!! Thanks for the chuckle!!

Back to the topic on hand:

I like looking at all the decked out triple size sleeper's but I don't think Jim and I would every buy one - even though I always say it would be nice to have all that extra room. Then reality strikes - like a slug hammer - and I realize I like coming home and getting out of the truck.

So to all of you out there, that have the big fancy sleepers, I will just admire your truck from a distance.
 

RichM

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
Arlene puts it right on. I like coming HOME and getting out of the truck. 14 foot sleepers vs ahome. I will opt for the home.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Phil,
Very Good Post.

But after my long reply there, I have two syllable word that would solve everything we face - FairTax

Many 'experts' are against it, but these 'experts' derive their income directly from the tax system so it would be expected not to be for something that would benefit us but not them.

If you want to learn more about it - go to www.fairtax.org
 
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