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England and gun confiscation,,,

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OntarioVanMan said:
Former PM John Howard said...
"The Second Amendment, crafted in the immediate post-revolutionary years, is more than 200 years old and was designed to protect the right of local communities to raise and maintain militia for use against external threats (including the newly formed national government!). It bears no relationship at all to the circumstances of everyday life in America today.
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I'm not too familiar with John Howard however it is safe to say that although he may be quite brilliant overall he is quite ignorant on Article Two. In the first place, it wasn't and isn't an Article dealing with militias. In the second place, it completely relates today to protection from domestic enemies, i.e. our government as we see it today, just as it related then.
 
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layoutshooter said:
Yeah, too bad, we would STILL be SUBJECTS of a murderous family. Much better to have wimped out like other countries that accepted control of that nasty bunch.


What does that have to do with the fact that I am NOT an English-American? :confused:
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awh,,, the beauty of EOL is the rabbit trail of life ..........................
 
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I'm not too familiar with John Howard however it is safe to say that although he may be quite brilliant overall he is quite ignorant on Article Two. In the first place, it wasn't and isn't an Article dealing with militias. In the second place, it completely relates today to protection from domestic enemies, i.e. our government as we see it today, just as it related then.
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Don't you mean Amendment, not Article?
 
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skyraider said:
awh,,, the beauty of OEL is the rabbit trail of life ..........................
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I KNOW I am going to regret asking, but what pray tell is a OEL? Also, what is the "rabbit trail of life"? Kinds lost me here, not that it all that hard to do!
 
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Article Two... Second Amendment... Article Two... Second Amendment... potato... potatoe... but whichever you prefer
 
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layoutshooter said:
To each his own. That is part of the freedoms we enjoy in this country.

I would not live in one. I prefer to contract my own maintenance. I allow myself the luxury of painting my house as I see fit and I can part my truck in my drive way!

I MUCH prefer my freedom to security. My CHOICE.
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You can tell Joe has a Freightliner.

I want to PARK in my driveway.
He wants to PART his truck in his driveway.
 
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Well ok, fine. Article Two of the Bill of Rights of the Constitution of the United States. I counted on people knowing enough about it to know what was meant, something our friend the former PM obviously doesn't.
 
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EnglishLady said:
Sort of ... but <one last try at explaining this .. sigh> ..... you have to try and understand that guns are/never were a big deal in UK (probably Europe too) like it is here in America.


In America lots of people own a gun/rifle of some sort lets say, for example, the majority have a gun the minority do not. In the UK it would probably look something like 1 person in every 100,000 had a weapon.


Most UK citizens never owned a weapon in their life and never wanted to ....... do you see what I am saying :confused: UK/USA = Apples and Oranges

UK & USA are nothing alike in gun culture and therefore UK is not a good comparison to be used for like minded thinking with the USA on guns.

Gun politics in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Hope that finally explains it :)
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The US developed a 'gun culture' courtesy of the native Americans, who objected to having their lands occupied. Any settlers who were given free land to move west of the Mississippi needed firearms to establish and keep their homestead. That's a hard habit to break, after decades of skirmishing.
Oh, and the laws cited by Mjmsprt aren't meant to determine whether your pot [meaning container, not illegal] plants are "well cared for", but to stop infestations of pests harbored by certain plants. Much like the Agricultural inspection stations in some states, and other ways of stopping such invasions as the emerald Ash borer, and others.
The one that just kills me, though, is the television 'license'. That one wouldn't go over well here either, lol. :eek:
 
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The "Gun Culture" is strictly an invention of the media. There is no such thing. People never even thought that much about it until the government started to try to remove our Constitutional rights.

Government policy has created an underworld that is very violent. That has lead to the murders. The 'war on drugs' has had the same affect on crime and corruption that Prohibition had, and Prohibition was LEGAL, under the Constitution. The 'war on drugs' is not. Black markets, corrupt government officials, battles over street markets. Black markets in guns already exist and will increase to the same levels as the drug markets as restrictions get tighter.

There are also many other contributing factors to the violence, like over use and misuse of SSRI's and other such drugs. Lack of parental controls over their children and on the list would go.

One thing is certain, making criminals out of law abiding citizens will not result in a decrease in crime. just more criminals and more crime. Controlling people does not work.
 
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When and IF the US ever gets 5,000 years worth of history....they(US) will be just as murderous as those in the past.... Americanism will be right up there with communism, fascism, Marxism and Stalinism.....
 
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