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garyaddis

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
A Simple Q&A that Every American Should Read

Dear friends,

Please take a few moments and read this excellent piece on the
Supreme Court's decision that made Bush "president." Pass it
around to all your friends. It's the best thing I've seen.

Yours,

Michael Moore

http://www.theawfultruth.com/
http://www.michaelmoore.com/
[email protected]

A LAYMAN'S GUIDE TO
THE SUPREME COURT DECISION IN BUSH V.
GORE

by Mark H. Levine, Attorney at Law

Q: I'm not a lawyer and I don't understand the recent
Supreme Court decision in Bush v. Gore. Can you explain it to me?

A: Sure. I'm a lawyer. I read it. It says Bush wins, even if Gore got the most votes.

Q: But wait a second. The US Supreme Court has to give a
reason, right?

A: Right.

Q: So Bush wins because hand-counts are illegal?

A: Oh no. Six of the justices (two-thirds majority) believed the hand-counts were legal and should be done.

Q: Oh. So the justices did not believe that the hand-counts
would find any legal ballots?

A. Nope. The five conservative justices clearly held (and all nine justices agreed) "that punch card balloting machines can produce an unfortunate number of ballots which are not punched in a clean, complete way by the voter." So there are legal votes that should be counted but can't be.

Oh. Does this have something to do with states' rights?
Don't conservatives love that?

A: Generally yes. These five justices, in the past few years, have held that the federal government has no business telling a
sovereign state university it can't steal trade secrets just because such stealing is prohibited by law. Nor does the federal
government have any business telling a state that it should bar
guns in schools. Nor can the federal government use the equal
protection clause to force states to take measures to stop violence against women.

Q: Is there an exception in this case?

A: Yes, the Gore exception. States have no rights to have their
own state elections when it can result in Gore being elected
President. This decision is limited to only this situation.

Q: C'mon. The Supremes didn't really say that. You're
exaggerating.

A: Nope. They held "Our consideration is limited to the present
circumstances, or the problem of equal protection in election
processes generally presents many complexities."

Q: What complexities?

A: They don't say.

Q: I'll bet I know the reason. I heard Jim Baker say this. The
votes can't be counted because the Florida Supreme Court
"changed the rules of the election after it was held." Right?

A. Dead wrong. The US Supreme Court made clear that the
Florida Supreme Court did not change the rules of the election.
But the US Supreme Court found the failure of the Florida Court
to change the rules was wrong.

Q: Huh?

A: The Legislature declared that the only legal standard for
counting vote is "clear intent of the voter." The Florida Court was condemned for not adopting a clearer standard.

Q: I thought the Florida Court was not allowed to change the
Legislature's law after the election.

A: Right.

Q: So what's the problem?

A: They should have. The US Supreme Court said the Florida
Supreme Court should have "adopt[ed] adequate statewide
standards for determining what is a legal vote"

Q: I thought only the Legislature could "adopt" new law.

A: Right.

Q: So if the Court had adopted new standards, I thought it
would have been overturned.

A: Right. You're catching on.

Q: If the Court had adopted new standards, it would have
been overturned for changing the rules. And if it didn't, it's
overturned for not changing the rules. That means that no
matter what the Florida Supreme Court did, legal votes could
never be counted.

A: Right. Next question.

Q: Wait, wait. I thought the problem was "equal protection,"
that some counties counted votes differently from others.
Isn't that a problem?

A: It sure is. Across the nation, we vote in a hodgepodge of
systems. Some, like the optical-scanners in largely
Republican-leaning counties record 99.7% of the votes. Some,
like the punchcard systems in largely Democratic-leaning
counties record only 97% of the votes. So approximately 3% of
Democratic votes are thrown in the trash can.

Q: Aha! That's a severe equal-protection problem!!!

A: No it's not. The Supreme Court wasn't worried about the 3% of Democratic ballots thrown in the trashcan in Florida. That
"complexity" was not a problem.

Q: Was it the butterfly ballots that violated Florida law and
tricked more than 20,000 Democrats to vote for Buchanan or
Gore and Buchanan.

A: Nope. The Supreme Court has no problem believing that
Buchanan got his highest, best support in a precinct consisting of a Jewish old age home with Holocaust survivors, who apparently
have changed their mind about Hitler.

Q: Yikes. So what was the serious equal protection problem?

A: The problem was neither the butterfly ballot nor the 3% of
Democrats (largely African-American) disenfranchised. The
problem is that somewhat less than .005% of the ballots may have
been determined under slightly different standards because
judges sworn to uphold the law and doing their best to accomplish
the legislative mandate of "clear intent of the voter" may have a
slightly different opinion about the voter's intent.

Q: Hmmm. OK, so if those votes are thrown out, you can still
count the votes where everyone agrees the voter's intent is
clear?

A: Nope. No time.

Q: No time to count legal votes where everyone, even
Republicans, agree the intent is clear? Why not?

A: Because December 12 was yesterday.

Q: Is December 12 a deadline for counting votes?

A: No. January 6 is the deadline. In 1960, Hawaii's votes weren't counted until January 4.

Q: So why is December 12 important?

A: December 12 is a deadline by which Congress can't challenge
the results.

Q: What does the Congressional role have to do with the
Supreme Court?

A: Nothing. The Florida Supreme Court had earlier held it would like to complete its work by December 12 to make things easier for Congress. The United States Supreme Court is trying to help the Florida Supreme Court out by forcing the Florida court to abide by a deadline that everyone agrees is not binding.

Q: But I thought the Florida Court was going to just barely
have the votes counted by December 12.

A: They would have made it, but the five conservative justices
stopped the recount last Saturday.

Q: Why?

A: Justice Scalia said some of the counts may not be legal.

Q: So why not separate the votes into piles, indentations for
Gore, hanging chads for Bush, votes that everyone agrees
went to one candidate or the other so that we know exactly
how Florida voted before determining who won? Then, if
some ballots (say, indentations) have to be thrown out, the
American people will know right away who won Florida.

A. Great idea! The US Supreme Court rejected it. They held that such counts would likely to produce election results showing Gore won and Gore's winning would cause "public acceptance" and that would "cast a cloud over Bush's legitimacy that would harm democratic stability."

Q: In other words, if America knows the truth that Gore won,
they won't accept the US Supreme Court overturning Gore's
victory?

A: Yes.

Q: Is that a legal reason to stop recounts? or a political one?

A: Let's just say in all of American history and all of American law, this reason has no basis in law. But that doesn't stop the five conservatives from creating new law out of thin air.

Q: Aren't these conservative justices against judicial activism?

A: Yes, when liberal judges are perceived to have done it.

Q: Well, if the December 12 deadline is not binding, why not
count the votes?

A: The US Supreme Court, after admitting the December 12
deadline is not binding, set December 12 as a binding deadline at
10 p.m. on December 12.

Q: Didn't the US Supreme Court condemn the Florida
Supreme Court for arbitrarily setting a deadline?

A: Yes.

Q: But, but --

A: Not to worry. The US Supreme Court does not have to follow
laws it sets for other courts.

Q: So who caused Florida to miss the December 12 deadline?

A: The Bush lawyers, the first to go to court, to stop the recount; the mob in Miami that got paid Florida vacations for intimidating officials; and the US Supreme Court for stopping the recount.

Q: So who is punished for this behavior?

A: Gore, of course. And, of course, the American people.

Q: We don't know who really won the election there, right?

A: Right. Though a careful analysis by the Miami Herald shows
Gore won Florida by about 20,000 votes (excluding the butterfly ballot errors).

Q: So, what do we do, have a re-vote? Throw out the entire
state? Count all ballots under a single uniform standard?

A: No. We just don't count the votes that favor Gore.

Q: That's completely bizarre! That sounds like rank political
favoritism! Did the justices have any financial interest in the
case?

A: SCALIA'S TWO SONS ARE BOTH LAWYERS WORKING FOR BUSH. THOMAS'S WIFE IS COLLECTING APPLICATIONS FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO WORK IN THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION.

Q: Why didn't they recuse themselves?

A: If either had recused himself, the vote would be 4-4, and the Florida Supreme Court decision allowing recounts would have
been affirmed.

Q: I can't believe the justices acted in such a blatantly
political way.

A: Read the opinions for yourself:
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/supremecourt/00-949_dec12.fdf
http://www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/00pdf/00-949.pdf


Q: So what are the consequences of this?

A: The guy who got the most votes in the US and in Florida and
under our Constitution (Al Gore) will lose to America's second
choice who won the all important 5-4 Supreme Court vote.

Q: I thought in a democracy, the guy with the most votes
wins.

A: True, in a democracy. But America is not a democracy. In
America, in the year 2000, the guy with the most US Supreme
Court votes wins.

Q: Is there any way to stop the Supreme Court from doing
this again?

A: YES. No federal judge can be confirmed without a vote in the Senate. It takes 60 votes to break a filibuster. If only 41 of the 50 Democratic Senators stand up to Bush and his Supremes and say that they will not approve a single judge appointed by him until a President can be democratically elected in 2004, the judicial reign of terror can end... and one day we can hope to return to the rule of law, the rule of government by the people.

Q: What do I do now?

A: E-mail this to everyone you know, and write or call your
senator, reminding him that Gore beat Bush by several hundred
thousand votes (three times Kennedy's margin over Nixon) and
that you believe that VOTERS rather than JUDGES should
determine who wins an election by counting every vote. And to
protect our judiciary from overturning the will of the people, you want them to confirm NO NEW JUDGES until 2004 when a
president is finally chosen by most of the American people.
 

Gubba2

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
Gary, I have read your post and believe the Liberals have found their own version of Rush Limbaugh, and it is YOU, and the guy who wrote the article. You claim a sense of morality for you and your guy Gore, and how you were screwed out of this election. Tell me though, can you honestly say that you and your guy would have just sat back and allowed the total lack of control in the recounts to go on, if your position had been reversed with that of President elect Bush. I believe your group would have been much more vocal about stopping recounts, especially when you get racists like Jesse Jackson out there spewing their version of the truth as they blindly see it.

Sure was to bad you and Gore couldn't get the military votes thrown out like you wanted, or the absente ballots thrown out in those 2 counties where it wasn't a question of the will of the voter, but someone not technicly following procedure before the vote was legally cast. Ah stupid me, those were votes that they believed would favor President elect Bush.

In other words this election was an unfortunate experience, but hopefully a learning experience for our country. And as far as passing the blame.

He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone.

Gary you also would appear to endorse a freeze on all judical apointments for the next 4 years, what do you hope to prove by this? Sure there maybe 2 or 3 apointments to be made to the US Supreme Court, but what about the hundreds, maybe thousands of Federal judges that will need to be confirmed in the next 4 yrs. What do we do about them? Leave the seats empty and cause a back up in our judicial system that will take years to recover from, would that prove your point, would that make you feel better?

Maybe it is time you come to gripes with the fact that we do have a President Elect, and his name is George Bush. I know he is not the person you wanted in the office of President, and just like Al Gore, who didn't like the results of the legal mess this country was put through, you need to recognize that he is going to be the next President, and your whining about it won't change a thing.

Why not be a true American, and get behind him, support him as our President, and when you feel he is wrong on a policy issue, use the Congress and/or Courts to try and make a change.

I say this because if it had ended up that Al Gore was to be our next President, I would have given him my full support, as the office deserves. Just as now when we have Bill Clinton in office. I respect and support him as MY President, even though I think he is scum.

BUSH in 2004
 

garyaddis

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
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>Gary, I have read your post
>and believe the Liberals have
>found their own version of
>Rush Limbaugh, and it is
>YOU,

Hoho, bro. You've obviously never studied the text of one of Limburger's "shows." Cheese (as a school chum claims Rush was called as a boy) wouldn't recognize a fact if it bit him on his fat derriere.


>and the guy who
>wrote the article.

The guy deserves all the credit. A constitutional lawyer, he researched and presented the facts. I merely passed them on to people like you who search no farther for truth than the strongest rightwing radio talk show. I, also, regularly listen to these Richard Mellon Scaife mouthpieces; when some "fact" presented by the likes of Limburger appears to contain an element of truth, I conduct a thorough search, to either prove or disprove the vitriol. AS I stated earlier, Rush Limbaugh wouldn't recognize a fact if it bit him on his donkey.

>claim a sense of morality
>for you and your guy
>Gore, and how you were
>screwed out of this election.

It cannot be denied, chum. Don't you find it rather odd that the number of votes Gore was first projected to win by is within a few hundred votes of the number of votes that were tossed out? Clearly, the Press did not make a mistake!--Their very first projection was the correct one.

> Tell me though, can
>you honestly say that you
>and your guy would have
>just sat back and allowed
>the total lack of control
>in the recounts to go
>on,

Proof of this, George Bush or Beaker or whoever your other identity is this week, is the fact that the Democrats didn't cry or run to the courts when Bush demanded a hand recount of Seminole County. We sat back politely and let it proceed (and it increased Bush's total by 534 votes). Bush, on the other hand, "trusts the people." We know what he did when the tables were turned: he cried for that big bad Federal government to save him. Brother Jeb promised him Florida, and by God it was his!

Proof of Bush's Mob-like willingly to do anything to "win" is his organization's pre-election preprations to "fight it out in the streets" if Gore won the electoral college but did not win the popular vote. Your hero Limburger burped phrases to that effect about three days prior to the election--"...the nation will never accept it if Gore wins the White House by the Electoral College." On loan from God? The arrogance of that tub of cheese is breathtaking. The stupidity of anyone who would believe anything he says is hearbreaking.



>...racists like Jesse Jackson
>out there spewing their version
>of the truth as they
>blindly see it.


Oh, there are plenty of racists in the Black movement. Sharpton is a racist pig, for one. Jesse Jackson, on the other hand, embraces (and speaks for) the poor of all races.

> Sure was to bad
>you and Gore couldn't get
>the military votes thrown out
>like you wanted

You truly don't have a clue, do you? There are none so blind as those who choose not to see; none so deaf as those who scream to block out the soft murmurring voice of fact. In those specific two counties, before the election the offices of the county electors was opened to Republican operatives. They were granted free access to voter lists, and coached on the proper method to ensure the legality of hundreds of absentee ballots. Yeah yeah, I know, it's claimed that all they did was correct a printing error that omitted a blank line which should have contained the voter's registration number. Got no problem with that, guy, if Democrats had been permitted to perform the identical service of registered Democrats.

And are you not aware that after the election Bush Brothers sent dozens of operatives to European military bases? The ballots are secret, guy, so once a ballot left its envelope, no one could trace it back to the individual voter; no one could ask him whether he voted for one or the other-- or at all. No one could confirm that the vote was mailed on election day or (by Repug chartered jet) two days after the election. No one could verify whether the absentee voter even lived in Florida. Your pals could do whatever they wished in Florida, because they owned the entire state apparatus, and, having been taught dirty tricks by a former CIA super-spy (daddy Bush), they were ruthless enough to do whatever it took to
"win."

Fraud put George Dubya in the White House.

>
> In other words this
>election was an unfortunate experience,
>but hopefully a learning experience
>for our country. And
>as far as passing the
>blame.

Unfortunate my donkey. It was fraud. But I'm afraid we won't benefit from the learning experience. Because, frankly, the people can't compete, either monetarily or (im)morally, on the same field with the likes of the Bush clan.

>
> Gary you also would
>appear to endorse a freeze
>on all judical apointments for
>the next 4 years, what
>do you hope to prove
>by this? Sure there
>maybe 2 or 3 apointments
>to be made to the
>US Supreme Court, but what
>about the hundreds, maybe thousands
>of Federal judges that will
>need to be confirmed in
>the next 4 yrs.

Oh that is a good one, dude. You've been residing on the moon or something for the past eight years, haven't you? Christ, don't you ever read a newspaper? For the past four years the Republicans have blocked several hundred appointments Clinton made to the Federal judiciary. It would be tit for tat if the Democrats played the same game. But they won't. The Repug money boys will wave checkbooks, and enough Democrats will swoon. Bush rhetoric is preparing the country for the destruction of Clinton's booming economy. He's got to justify his 1.6 trillion
dollar tax cut to the wealthiest 1%. About 96% of Bush's contributions came from 750 "patriotic" multi-millionaire conservatives. That Korean Jesus who owns several American newspapers and an American television network is one of his largest supporters.
It ought to scare you.

>What do we do about
>them? Leave the seats empty
>and cause a back up
>in our judicial system that
>will take years to recover
>from, would that prove your
>point, would that make you
>feel better?

The Republican Congress has done just that. Open your eyes. Did they give a bag of elephant dung what it would do to the country?

> Maybe it is time
>you come to gripes with
>the fact that we do
>have a President Elect,
>and his name is George
>Bush.

I'll never refer to him other than as Governor Bush, which is the last election he won.



>the next President, and your
>whining about it won't change
>a thing.

It might. If as the result of my "whining," a handful of my fellow working stiffs opens their eyes and ears and seeks the truth when Limbaugh and other **gifts from God** dribble sputum into America's coffee cups, then all the time and effort I've expended in this forum is a job well done.

> I say this because
>if it had ended up
>that Al Gore was to
>be our next President, I
>would have given him my
>full support, as the office
>deserves. Just as now
>when we have Bill Clinton
>in office. I respect
>and support him as MY
>President, even though I think
>he is scum.

You're laughable. That's support for President Clinton, huh? But if I suggest that Bush is a liar, a cocaine addict and a drunk, I'm being unpatriotic? Christ, don't you ever reread the crap you write? Your kind snickered at Clinton on his first day in office and you'll be shaking your privates in glee when he leaves. If you were open minded enough to accept the...wrongness of your pro-repug policy stance, though, in oh, about two years you'd apologize to the American people for trying to help guide us into the abyss of Bush-a-nomics. We're projected to have a 9 trillion dollar surplus in the next 8-10 years. Want to bet that under Bush it disappears in four?
>

>BUSH in 2004

Son, if in 2004 the country is in as good a shape as it is now, I'll vote for the Governor myself, and let God punish him when he arrives in hell. But if as I suspect, we'll all be heading to financial hell in a handbasket in 2004, I'd expect Bush to do the honorable thing and go out and campaign for the real 43rd president--Al Gore.
 
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