EBORs Who Else is Disturbed by this Infringement
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AMonger
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Lots of people, even drivers, applaud this. The hyper-compliant crowd has never seen such an infringement they didn't like. They think it makes them seem responsible.
The whole log book system is such an infringement. The Bill of Rights tells the feral gummint they cannot require us to testify against ourselves, that we have the right to remain silent, and SCOTUS has ruled that we cannot be penalized in any way for demanding our rights. Yet the gummint will prosecute for logbook violations, a log book you're required to fill out, date, and sign, making it a legal document, and the hyper-compliant crowd will tell you if you don't want to do that, you shouldn't have become a truck driver.
Amazing how many people have abandoned the idea of being free. If our Founding Fathers could see us, they'd tell us we don't deserve to be free, seeing as how we despise it so much.
Also according to one of the links provided in the ATEAM thread the EBORs cannot determine duty status with out input from the driver. What use then are these devices other than an additional annoyance to the driver ? If they have to be used in conjunction with a logbook why bother with the EBORs ?
jimmy
jimmy
golfournut
Veteran Expediter
When the truck moves, it automatically goes to on duty driving. When the truck stops for (I think 5 minutes, but don't member exactly), it automatically switches to on duty not driving.
You have to manually switch it to off duty or sleeper berth.
You,the driver can edit all but driving. Compliance or safety dept can or whoever does it it for your carrier.
If not under dispatch, you can log off duty driving for up to 30 minutes.
One nice thing about them is they log using minute increments instead of 15 minute increments that you do on paper.
Hope that clarifies.
Your best bet, hire a vet! Please.
You have to manually switch it to off duty or sleeper berth.
You,the driver can edit all but driving. Compliance or safety dept can or whoever does it it for your carrier.
If not under dispatch, you can log off duty driving for up to 30 minutes.
One nice thing about them is they log using minute increments instead of 15 minute increments that you do on paper.
Hope that clarifies.
Your best bet, hire a vet! Please.
So if it takes 32 minutes to fuel up you GAIN 13 minutes of drive time?
But I think the issue is...the constitution says one can not incriminate themselves BUT yet here we have the LOG book that can do just that...Granted if you are running legal there is nothing incriminating in the log book...
golfournut
Veteran Expediter
That would be correct, you don't loose that 13 min of drive time.
Don't hold me to it, but if I remember right, when I got my "A" in Texas I had to sign something that said I agree to searches and inspections when driving in a capacity of hire. That was in 1995.
Your best bet, hire a vet! Please.
On a paper log if it took you 32 minutes to fuel it would be logged as 30 minutes.
greg334
Veteran Expediter
You know there isn't a single infringement here, the constitution says the federal government can regulate interstate commerce and that is what they do regulate it.
No one makes someone drive a truck as much as no one makes someone do a job they don't want to do. People have the freedom to chose what they want to do and in some cases, there needs to be rules for people to act safely and sanely.
Don't see giving up my freedoms to be safe, I have still the choice to do what I want with my truck when I want to within the limits of being safe. Like the van issue, people are different, many think they can work 18 hours a day 7 days a week but their physical limitations have a mitigating factor in how safe others are around them. I honestly don't care if someone gets killed while driving their truck for 30 hours straight but I do care a lot if they hurt someone while killing themselves. IT IS the other person's freedom that matters more in this regulated industry, not the drivers.
EOBRs are one step, the other is to put everything on rail and outlaw trucks.
No one makes someone drive a truck as much as no one makes someone do a job they don't want to do. People have the freedom to chose what they want to do and in some cases, there needs to be rules for people to act safely and sanely.
Don't see giving up my freedoms to be safe, I have still the choice to do what I want with my truck when I want to within the limits of being safe. Like the van issue, people are different, many think they can work 18 hours a day 7 days a week but their physical limitations have a mitigating factor in how safe others are around them. I honestly don't care if someone gets killed while driving their truck for 30 hours straight but I do care a lot if they hurt someone while killing themselves. IT IS the other person's freedom that matters more in this regulated industry, not the drivers.
EOBRs are one step, the other is to put everything on rail and outlaw trucks.
Quote " If not under dispatch, you can log off duty driving for up to 30 minutes " Suppose you have completed your last load used up your driving time and do not wish to sit in truckstop. You feel rested enough and capable of driving safely and wish to do off duty driving for longer than 30 minutes ? Besides these EBORs Still require driver input for change of duty status .
jimmy
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As long as we are using EBOR's we are controlled as to what we can do with our trucks on our OFF time.
Now, here is an example of how absurd the entire thing is and how these devices are NOT about safety.
!. Deliver a load to a location on Friday morning with a pre-dispatch for Monday noontime
2. Rent a car. Drive 300 miles to your favorite resort.
3. Party and drink hard all weekend.
4. Get up, hung over early Monday
5. Drive back and return rental
6. Pick up load on time, with no sleep.
You are 100% LEGAL on your EOBR. It is all about personal responsibility. NO responsible person would do this with or with out an EOBR and anyone who would do this will find a way to get around the EOBR.
It is a joke.
You are 100% right about it being a joke. The question is who is the joke on?
jimmy
Doggie Daddy
Veteran Expediter
Not only is it a joke but they are an insult. So are log books. I am MORE than capable to determine when I am too tired to drive. Fixed HOS make for a MORE DANGEROUS operating environment. Fixed hours do not take into account that everyone is different.
While one team can run perfectly on a 10 and 10 system it can be almost deadly for another.
There is NOT way that a carrier OR the government is better able to determine what is best for our team. WE should have control over OUR hours to insure the safest possible operation.
The "joke" is on the public and the drivers. It is ALL about catering to that ATA.
While one team can run perfectly on a 10 and 10 system it can be almost deadly for another.
There is NOT way that a carrier OR the government is better able to determine what is best for our team. WE should have control over OUR hours to insure the safest possible operation.
The "joke" is on the public and the drivers. It is ALL about catering to that ATA.
Rigg for Silent Running
The service has had black boxes similar to EBORS for quite a while
they have had them on ships & Planes for long long long time since WW1.
Simple when its time to go dark for silent running.
as Mr Scott would say just pull the fuse.
I had a computer log long before this junk came about and in the service I had to log in and out and carried a GPS locator telling my Position. If I wanted to go dark I just took out the Battery.
The more High tec one gets the easier it is to clog up the piping.
The service has had black boxes similar to EBORS for quite a while
they have had them on ships & Planes for long long long time since WW1.
Simple when its time to go dark for silent running.
as Mr Scott would say just pull the fuse.
I had a computer log long before this junk came about and in the service I had to log in and out and carried a GPS locator telling my Position. If I wanted to go dark I just took out the Battery.
The more High tec one gets the easier it is to clog up the piping.
First off I not to sure the EBORs will do anything to increase yours or the general publics safety.
I have a problem with goverment expansion of regulations. Do they know where to stop? Would they stop of their on accorrdance ?
Laudable goal of public safety ? Where do you stop ?
jimmy
AMonger
Veteran Expediter
Thanks for that equivocation and that spineless pragmatism.
1. The government cannot compel us to testify against ourselves (i.e. a logbook that can be used as evidence against us);
2. The fifth amendment doesn't end with "unless we want to" or "unless we feel it's necessary for safety;"
3. It's self-evident that regulation of an industry cannot authorize the government to violate our rights. The Bill of Rights is the supreme law of the land, while government rulemaking is not.
4. SCOTUS has ruled no rights or privileges can be withheld for demanding our rights ("Don't like it? Don't drive a truck");
teamjdw
Expert Expediter
The EOBR is run thru your ECM.What fuse are you going too pull?
Layoutshooter is exactly right. [Yes, I really said that!] It's not about safety, because no computer can judge my fatigue, and one size does not fit all - or anyone, really. 30 minutes of driving? What happens when I need to fill a prescription, and the store doesn't have it, and I have to try another place? What if the WalMart is 20 miles, and they won't allow me to stay in the lot - can I drive back to a truckstop? It's all about what the ATA wants: a 'level playing field' [for the big guys, the little ones can go pound salt.] so they can 'compete'.
It's just unacceptable to demand that much control over drivers who have never given any indication of being unsafe. We'd all be safer if they paid that much attention to those who drink and drive, IMO.
It's just unacceptable to demand that much control over drivers who have never given any indication of being unsafe. We'd all be safer if they paid that much attention to those who drink and drive, IMO.
You can't even get a mob of drivers to agree on the cost of a cup of coffee. How in the world do you think you can get them to agree on IMPORTANT matters?
