Better warn you up front Cheri1, it would be best if you DID NOT talk politics with him!!! He is as independent as I am. He is a life long volunteer firefighter and small business owner. He hates socialism, high taxes, national health systems and MOST Dumbecrats. LOL, there are many of us "nuts" out there. In reality, he is the only type of person I hang out with. Independent and succesful and willing to put his life on the line for total strangers. I don't hang out with whiners and losers. He raised his family with no help from the government, thank you very much, and gave un-told hours to his comunity. A real "Mans's Man" I am proud to call him "Friend" If you ever choose to do business with him I can assure you of one thing. He only does his best. He knows no other way. If he builds you a "toy" it would be built with the same pride and care as his rescue equipment. Layoutshooter