DUI death = capital offense

[LDB]

I'm watching a show about a piece of worthless garbage that drove after 14 drinks with a BAC over 3 times the legal limit. He murdered 2 people and injured several others. One victim was a 7 year old girl who was decapitated. He was convicted of 2 counts of 2nd degree vehicular homicide and given 18 years. He has the temerity to appeal the sentence. He should have been executed. No other possible option. No other penalty allowed for a drunken murderer. This should apply to all alcohol and drug DUI's. There is no excuse for allowing DUI to the extent we allow it in this country. None at all.

 

[greg334]

Leo,
I am wondering - why do they sell beer at truckstops?

 

[LDB]

I'm guessing it's for the plethora of locals who come in there rather than some other stop and rob in the neighborhood.

 

[ratwell71]

I'm watching a show about a piece of worthless garbage that drove after 14 drinks with a BAC over 3 times the legal limit. He murdered 2 people and injured several others. One victim was a 7 year old girl who was decapitated. He was convicted of 2 counts of 2nd degree vehicular homicide and given 18 years. He has the temerity to appeal the sentence. He should have been executed. No other possible option. No other penalty allowed for a drunken murderer. This should apply to all alcohol and drug DUI's. There is no excuse for allowing DUI to the extent we allow it in this country. None at all.

These types of people make me sick. 18 years is not nearly enough!

 

[Jack_Berry]

woman arrested yesterday a few miles from here who was owi for the 6th time since 1992 and on a suspended license. SIXTH time!! when will legislators have the balls to just put these folks in jail for a couple years? they need to learn the heartache of their actions. then maybe have the family come feed them so taxpayers only have to pay their room and not board.

there was a 10th time offender a few months back. TEN TIMES??? how can he keep being set free. better to be a hardship on the family than a killer of the innocent.

leo you are right. appealing the sentance should not be an option in these cases. you drank of your own free will now accept the consequences.

 

[LDB]

If there isn't a murder of another individual we can't execute them but any DUI conviction should include forfeiture of the vehicle as well as the drivers license for 5 years. The second conviction would be loss of vehicle, loss of license for 10 years and $50,000 fine. Third conviction would be loss of vehicle, loss of license for 20 years and $250,000 fine. If the individual was caught driving during the illegal time they would do as many years in prison as the forfeiture period. There's no excuse for it, none at all.

 

[greg334]

Leo,
Oh come on.

The first offense, lose your license for life, the car becomes the property of the state and you are not allowed to own another vehicle ever (just like a gun but a car is not constitutionally protected)

You get caught the second time while you are driving, the vehicle you are driving becomes the property of the state regardless who owns it and you get to spend 6 months to a years in jail.

The third time is the same but a longer sentence in jail.

If this would ever become true, it would stop most of the problems we have, leaving the idiots and kids who just got their license to drink and drive.

 

[LDB]

Well, since the jails are too full already that's why I went with the forfeiture (no matter who owns the vehicle) and fines with jail only if they drive (drunk or sober either one) during the forfeiture period. I think mine is tough enough to stop all but the most die hard scum from driving drunk.

 

[greg334]

Leo,
I would agree with you on the jail thing but there are a lot of county jails running empty that can offset their budget with work programs that charge a reasonable amount. It won't take long to drop the number of people who drink and drive if this is implemented.

OVM, that won't work. The idea is to go back to a punishment for those who commit a crime. If you have your career and family at risk, you would be nothing but an idiot to do something this serious and deserve ruining your family over it. The problem is we concern ourselves with attempted armed robbery and even ethnic intimidation without concern over the impact of a family, let alone a victim and their family so I can't see any reasoning behind being concern with someone who is using a 3000lb weapon has to do with a weekend jail sentence - justice is supposed to be blind, a punishment should be severe.

 

[greg334]

So was I.

As harsh as this will sound, I don't care about the idiot who gets drunk and behind the wheel - there is no excuse for it. I want to stop him/her before something happens not after. The law is supposed to also deter people.

I feel the driving laws are so lax that they allow people who can't drive to drive, an example was my uncle who was blind in one eye and had cataracts so badly that he used to hit things all the time. My Aunt would be his eyes and for some reason at the age of 73, he passed the road test with no problems. The ended the road test about a year after that and the next renewal, he passed the vision test with out any problem, even making up numbers and letters for his blind eye.

Another example is working with someone who was worst than my Uncle (could not see a thing passed his nose) and drove a motor home with a tag up to Mount Pleasant every weekend, a 150 mile drive. One day a few of us were returning after our day shift and at our entrance was parked a new Neon (less than 2000 miles on it) with the hood crumpled up and leaking all types of fluid, we knew who's car it was but when he was asked what happened, he said he hit a curb. Well he kind of hit a truck, plowed into it when it was stopped and he was going 30. The air bags didn't deploy (A feature with that model) but he did make it back the mile and a half like nothing happened. He was not given a ticket and didn't get fired for some reason, back on the road the next week. He however also did pass his vision test with no problems. He wasn't drunk but blind.

 

[Moot]

Well, since the jails are too full already that's why I went with the forfeiture (no matter who owns the vehicle) and fines with jail only if they drive (drunk or sober either one) during the forfeiture period

I agree that penalties for drunk driving need to be more severe and enforced. But forfeiture of the vehicle no matter who owns the vehicle is going a bit too far. Leo, as a fleet owner how would you react if one of your drivers was convicted of a DUI and you forfeited a truck valued at over $100,000.

Recently the city of Minneapolis got slapped down by the Minnesota State Supreme court over the use of Photocop. Photocop was a system of cameras that photographed cars running red lights at intersections. The car's license plate was recorded and a ticket issued to the owner of the offending vehicle. The only problem was that it was not necessarily the owner that was driving the offending vehicle. In fact several tickets were issued to city owned vehicles. Ooops! Anyway, the State Court ruled against Photocop and all tickets issued over a near 2 year period are being rescinded and refunded.

Crack down on drunk drivers, not vehicle owners.

 

[Moot]

I just had another thought on this subject. I am not intending this to be a pick on Leo post but he brought up vehicle forfeiture and he is know to be an advocate of the right to own and bear arms. Although I own no guns I side with Leo on this issue with the exception of owning automatic assault riffles, RPG launchers, nuclear missiles and Swiss Army Knives. Wow, I strayed. To borrow a line from the NRA; Guns don't kill people, people kill people. To put a twist on this and keeping with the topic; vehicles don't kill people, drunk drivers kill people.

 

[Moot]

In Canada the Supreme court ruled otherwise...The owner has the responsibility of the vehicle no matter who drives it....

One more reason to live south of the border. Why do I think this law won't effect municipal and province owned fleets?

What happens when Giles Gadaure kills Sauky Pierre while intoxicated and driving a truck owned by the Saskatoon Sewer Works? Is the mayor going to jail. How about the city manager. Maybe the sewer works shift supervisor. Technically the tax payers own the vehicle, ya that's it. The government will stick it to the tax payers, eh?

 

[LDB]

OK moot, we'll make if forfeiture if owner driven and triple the fine if driving someone else's vehicle.

 

[EagleRiverWI]

Here is another crime that should be a capital offense.
Man charged in sex assault of 4-year-old | greenbaypressgazette.com | Green Bay Press-Gazette
This guy videotaped himself raping a 4 year old.

 

[LDB]

I kind of like the idea of executing him but I kind of like the idea of putting him into the general prison population too, considering their usual stance on guys like this.

 

[EagleRiverWI]

They should put him in a cell with the Wisconsin inmate that killed Jeffrey Dahmer

 

[greg334]

I agree, but you can put him in almost any cell and he will not come out alive.

I got a cousin who worked for the California department of corrections. Her job was to interview the nut cases like Manson and Sirhan. The last time I saw her, she mentioned that a lot of the people in prison target inmates who abused kids, especially sexually abuse them because they were most likely abused and it gives them a lot of gratification to do some 'justice' to one who has done something to a kid that they experienced.

Only makes sense that we only need one type of prison, one that has general population and no special treatment for special cases.

 

[Moot]

They should put him in a cell with the Wisconsin inmate that killed Jeffrey Dahmer

Too bad Ed Gein is dead. He would make a wonderful cell mate also.

 

[pelicn]

Curiosity got me, because I'd never heard of this man before....Yikes Moot!