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Turtle

Turtle

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RLENT said:
Yes, there are ... many of them penned by folks who have no interest whatsoever in diplomatic solutions which allow for Iran's inalienable rights ... but rather seek total surrender and capitulation on the part of Iran ...

Even worse - quite a few of them have regime change in Iran as their true goal ...
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Nuke 'em, Danno!
 
Ragman

Ragman

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Turtle said:
Nuke 'em, Danno!
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paullud

paullud

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RLENT said:
I am curious though ... if you feel we, as a part of the international community, shouldn't be involved in reaching an agreement with Iran with regards to them upholding their obligations under the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, how do you see us, as a country, dealing with the issue ?
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If we are going to deal with it at all we should just tell them that we recognize their need for nuclear power and maybe even help them do it safely. As long as it goes smoothly we might gain some allies with lots of oil or at least lose some future terrorists. If they want to get tough and start threatening Israel or neighbors then we just let them know we will turn their country upside down and take their oil. I really don't see Iran as being a threat to us directly but indirectly, because they send money to people that are fed up with us.

Well, I don't know if it's miscommunication per se ... maybe just a little difference of opinion in certain respects I think ...
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Yes, but it didn't seem to me that it was going in a positive direction. No ones fault but I didn't see it going in a direction where it would be a good thing to continue.

Well, surprisingly I somewhat tend to agree with you in this ...But unfortunately the US is involved and has been ... at least as far back 1953 when we caused the democratically elected government of Iran to be overthrown via a coup ... [/QUOTE]

I think Iran has moved on to be a stable country without the risk of civil war caused by us, that is why I believe we needed to "fix" Iraq before we left. We broke it so we need to help them recover and hope people learn their lesson to stay out of foreign affairs one day.

Now, we have traveled forward through time - demonstrating all manner of belligerent conduct and have refused - at least until now - to forego being a thug and a bully and embrace diplomacy.Whether we are actually embracing real diplomacy still remains to be seen ... as those in Washington (irrespective of party) are prone to being rather dictatorial ...It may just an case of appearing to embrace diplomacy, while attempting, yet again, to dictate and enforce our wants and desires on others ...If one takes the position that sovereign nations have certain inalienable rights, then it might be, as you observed, that it really is none of our business - except that we have previously made it our business and now need to find a graceful manner in which to exit from that position.

If on the other hand, one takes the position that the international community has a vested interest in non-proliferation of nuclear weapons and making an effort at maintaining world peace, then it is clearly our business ... at least in some form or another.
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We need to find ways out of a lot of things around the world but worrying about Iran possibly getting a nuke and putting them in a world stage only gives them what they want.

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paullud

paullud

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RLENT said:
Yes, there are ... many of them penned by folks who have no interest whatsoever in diplomatic solutions which allow for Iran's inalienable rights ... but rather seek total surrender and capitulation on the part of Iran ...

Even worse - quite a few of them have regime change in Iran as their true goal ...
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Well we know the articles are true though because Iran clearly demonstrated that they thought this deal recognizes their right to enrich and we are saying it doesn't.

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RLENT

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