letzrockexpress
Veteran Expediter
For now, yes...
Does it seem like more companies are skimming
- Thread starter Tomtom
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For now, yes...
Murraycroexp
Veteran Expediter
Better service wins out.
Double brokering has good sides also it isn't all evil. Many loads we all haul we would never touch without it. Many people forget to look at the big picture and want to focus only on what they think is somehow cheating them out of money.
Sent from my Fisher Price ABC-123.
Sent from my Fisher Price ABC-123.
Should be? That is not in any way a valid argument!You have ( theoretically anyhow) the opportunity to be a broker or a carrier yourself. You could theoretically do the same thing. We either use others to achieve our objectives or we are used by someone else to achieve theirs. not much middle ground.
Personally I still think the system sucks but I'll have to live with it.. And make do
letzrockexpress
Veteran Expediter
In fewer and fewer cases... On time at an acceptable rate is not really a difficult service to provide.
BigBadBill
Active Expediter
Thank you John, many larger brokers would be facing serious time. One large one here in Chattanooga jokes that they never "owned" a load for the first year.
But it seems the same money is in the pot. It is just a matter of how you look at it.
On one side, less money for you. On the other side, you now have a load you never would have seen.
But it seems the same money is in the pot. It is just a matter of how you look at it.
On one side, less money for you. On the other side, you now have a load you never would have seen.
And if I didn't own a sprinter I wouldn't have three skids on the load I would never have
Really? This isn't about double brokering. It is about a carrier that also has brokerage starting a third company, keeping it hidden and sending loads to the carrier as a brokered load.
Contractually legal, morally bankrupt.
Because I'm hearing it second hand I'll not drop names.
Contractually legal, morally bankrupt.
Because I'm hearing it second hand I'll not drop names.
Murraycroexp
Veteran Expediter
Good call.
letzrockexpress
Veteran Expediter
Is it funny to anyone else how so many expediters claim to be running a "business" but when they think the carrier they are "doing business with" is cheating them they immediately adopt the union mentality? Priceless!
TomTom it may also depend on the structure of the 3PL. Many 3PL's are paid to manage freight on a contract/transaction fee basis. They manage the freight on behalf of the customer and are not brokers. Some 3PL's are based on a brokerage model. So that would be a big factor in determining if a cross company arrangement had any benefit or none at all for the company.
Murraycroexp
Veteran Expediter
Carriers are in business for a reason. I too fall prey to that "feel good mentality" with brokers sometimes. They know me but they have a profitable job to do.
I'm in this for Sally, Olivia, Owen & Murray(me). Period. Every decision has my famalam in mind, almost.
I'm in this for Sally, Olivia, Owen & Murray(me). Period. Every decision has my famalam in mind, almost.
Murraycroexp
Veteran Expediter
Co-broker agreements add to the flexibility to serve the customer's needs. It truly is a good thing. Keep the freight moving as efficiently as possible.
if you work on a percentage you can demand that your carrier show you the actual rate confirmation sheets of each load you do. you should be able to just drop their office and view these. some rate confirmations even break down the fuel surcharge for you.if your paying for the fuel you should be getting 100% of that plus your percentage of the load pay.if you think your carrier is cheating you take a look and find out. about 3 weeks ago I stopped running for all the multi carriers because as 1 of the previous posters said they are opening companies and even brokering to there sister company after its been double and triple brokerd to begin with. I can do better on my own even if I only run 1 $2 per mile cargo van load a week at least I profit enough to get back to where I started from and that's my home. if your sick of it happening to you for less than a couple thousand you can be in biz for yourself and that's free enterprise.
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BigBadBill
Active Expediter
Classic, I'm stealing this.
Murraycroexp
Veteran Expediter
I think that's probably common as well. It's VERY common, and advisable, for a company's 3+ divisions be separate entities for various reasons such as risk and internal profits. I used to work for one broken down as per below.
1. Parent company. The one the local customers called to have goods moved.
Carried broker authority as well.
2. Carrier company. Possessed MCs for carrier authority and "got its work" from the parent company.
3. Leasing company. Leased and purchased equipment. Then leased that equipment back to the carrier company at a small internal profit.
4. Holdings company. Owned and leased properties. Then leased those properties back to the parent company at a small internal profit.
5. "Venture" company. Operates trucks for one specific high volume customer.
1. Parent company. The one the local customers called to have goods moved.
Carried broker authority as well.
2. Carrier company. Possessed MCs for carrier authority and "got its work" from the parent company.
3. Leasing company. Leased and purchased equipment. Then leased that equipment back to the carrier company at a small internal profit.
4. Holdings company. Owned and leased properties. Then leased those properties back to the parent company at a small internal profit.
5. "Venture" company. Operates trucks for one specific high volume customer.
Which part of the union mentality?