Does ISIS understand great forces will soon align against them?

davekc

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Obama is a lot of things but I don't believe he is a supporter of ISIS since he is dropping the occasional bomb. I do think upon his own admission he is clueless as to what to do with them, and genuinely seems disinterested.
 

layoutshooter

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Obama is a lot of things but I don't believe he is a supporter of ISIS since he is dropping the occasional bomb. I do think upon his own admission he is clueless as to what to do with them, and genuinely seems disinterested.

He is using them to defer attention for what he is going to do with immigration, gun control, and other ways to bypass the will of the People. HE loses in the house and HE CAN'T STAND IT!

To top it off, he DOES have NO CLUE
 

aristotle

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Obama is a lot of things but I don't believe he is a supporter of ISIS since he is dropping the occasional bomb. I do think upon his own admission he is clueless as to what to do with them, and genuinely seems disinterested.

Obama is sympathetic to Islam, but I am inclined to believe Obama is embarrassed by ISIS because they dishonor peaceful adherents of Islam. Obama is all about peace. He doesn't know how to deal with savage killers. Moreover, Obama thinks lawyers will defeat terrorists through the court system. Obama is not psychologically fit to be Commander-in-Chief; the guy is too internally conflicted to make necessary decisions. His weakness makes the world a more dangerous place.
 

layoutshooter

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As long as ISIS is running amok the "news" will follow that, diverting attention from the bypassing of the house, in other words, the bypassing of the people and the Constitution. Obama LOVES it!! LESS attention to the happy horse dung his is going to pull.
 

Pilgrim

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Obama has demonstrated with his occasional drone strikes that he believes he does not need a formal declaration of war to attack terrorists and enemy combatants, and in that respect he is correct. This gang of terrorists (enemy combatants) has no nation, they wear no uniform, and just because they adopt a name that includes the word "state" does not make them one. For these reasons and others they aren't protected by the terms of the Geneva Convention any more than the Somali pirates. They are sub-human debris and should be eradicated as such, along with those who offer them safe harbor. Syria should not be off limits for this, allowing them a sanctuary once they're chased out of Iraq. The US has the means to destroy them and the places they take cover, and our military should be allowed to eradicate them in the most brutal possible way with overwhelming force. Unfortunately, we have a wimp in the Oval Office who thinks they can be "managed". It doesn't occur to him that they and their fellow jihadists are managing him.
 

layoutshooter

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The congress is just as bad, or worse, than the Wimp in Chief. Party does not matter. They are their for their own wealth building, at our expense, what happens makes not a bit of difference to most of them.
 

aristotle

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Six days until September 11th. Many of us dread to see that day approaching. Let's hope it passes with relative calm.
 

Pilgrim

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Once again we see the consequences of weakness and incompetence of the current POTUS, his SECSTATE (past and current), and their total lack of comprehension in world affairs. Somebody in this administration should have explained to the Turks in no uncertain terms what we expect in return for the considerable foreign aid they receive from the US. They also should be made to realize there will be a price to pay if they continue to make warm and fuzzy with Putin, and that Russia can't come close to offering the benefits currently being provided by the USA.
The present close relationship between the U.S. and Turkey began with the agreement of July 12, 1947, which implemented the Truman Doctrine. As part of the cooperative effort to further Turkish economic and military self-reliance, the United States has loaned and granted Turkey more than $12.5 billion in economic aid and more than $14 billion in military assistance.

Also, from the fact sheet linked in the article:


Between 2009 and 2011, U.S. exports to Turkey increased 106 percent and, from 2010 to 2011, U.S. FDI in Turkey nearly tripled. Over 1,200 U.S. companies now operate in Turkey – an increase of nearly 50 percent since 2007. Over the last two years, new investments by Cummins, Pratt and Whitney, AES, Dow, GE, 3M, AMGEN, and Pfizer are illustrative of increasing U.S. private sector interest in Turkey. Many of the new successful joint ventures between U.S. and Turkish firms are designed to manufacture innovative products in Turkey for both domestic production and export to third country markets. Examples include:

 General Electric invested $900 million in 2012, AmGen made a $700 million acquisition, and 3M announced a $500 million project.

 Ozkan Steel is planning to invest $150 million in a plant in Louisiana that will produce steel for the shipbuilding industry.

 Borusan Mannesmann intends to manufacture steel pipes for shale gas production, investing $150 million in a construction facility that should become operational in the second half of 2014. These two projects will create hundreds of jobs in the United States.

 DOW recently partnered with the Turkish firm AKSA to produce carbon fiber in Turkey –
a $1 billion in investment in Turkey over the next five years – with plans to re-export to third markets in the future.

 Sikorsky Aircraft Corporation has been selected to supply a $3.5 billion order for 109 S-70i Blackhawk helicopters to Turkish Aerospace Industries.

http://www.eucom.mil/mission/the-region/turkey
 

layoutshooter

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The next administration could even be worse. The trend, for a VERY long time, has been a decline in talent. From what we see so far, nothing is changing.
 

Ragman

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The next administration could even be worse. The trend, for a VERY long time, has been a decline in talent. From what we see so far, nothing is changing.
Perhaps we need a benevolent dictator for life.

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rollincoal

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What good did a "strong military" do for us in the Bush 43 era? We still had the same wide open borders and invasions from the south that we have now. We've got an ocean to the west and east to keep enemies out. If that's not enough we have a capable navy and coast guard. To the north we have friendly cousins with their own decent country and they're not continually exporting their problems to us. To the south we could militarize the border, seal it off, and eliminate a lot of headaches we have now. We could probably cut the military ground forces in half by doing so if we quit trying to be the world's police imposing our imperial designs on peoples who don't want or need it. Most of the world's problems would go away or at least it wouldn't be our blood and treasure.

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layoutshooter

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No ocean can protect us anymore. Those days are long gone. Our borders, BOTH of them, are wide open. BOTH borders need sealed. The northern border is in just a sorry state as the southern border is. LOTS of illegals move across that border, drugs, human trafficing too

The military has already been cut TOO much, it needs expanded and modernized. The Soviets are deploying NEW mobile nukes. NOT GOOD, not that the Coward N Chief knows what a missile is.
 
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aristotle

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Since the end of WWII, it has been US policy to maintain a military capable of fighting two major land wars at the same time, anywhere in the world. Cutting troop strength to low levels not seen in 50 years does seem prudent given the turmoil and challenges we face today. Moreover, the US Navy has fewer ships than has been the case in many years.

Obama seems to prefer to conduct war as though it were a video game through the use of drone attacks. Drones are an effective weapon, but any real and sustained warfare requires the deployment of overwhelming troop numbers. It's not enough to knock off a terrorist here and there by drones. Wars in the future, just like past wars, will be won by seizing and controlling territory which must be held by troops on the ground. War is a permanent feature of human history. We cannot wish it away, but we can be prepared.
 

rollincoal

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Military has been over deployed for decades. It needs to be brought home and drastically cut. This country was never intended to maintain a standing army. We were never supposed to get involved in foreign adventures. Despite propaganda and brain washing to the contrary the world ain't gonna end if we take care of our own and leave the rest to themselves.

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