Does ISIS understand great forces will soon align against them?

cheri1122

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Taking a poll of average Americans' opinions on what should be done in the mideast is a farce. It's an incredibly complex issue, with angles and repercussions we can't begin to guess at, and how much do any of us know about it?
I just hope that someone with genuine knowledge and wisdom is advising Obama, and being taken seriously. The wrong move could be a real Armegeddon, I think.
 

rollincoal

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On one hand you are talking about force to support the rebels and on the other you are talking about force against the rebels so your comparison isn't a comparison at all.

That was my point exactly. This is our wonderful foreign policy in all of it's infinite wisdom. Last year the rebels were our friends. This year we need to bomb them. Joe Q Public only absorbs sound bites and doesn't remember ridiculous policy reversals from one day to the next. Let alone a year's time. I recall fondly about a year ago when trial balloons were sent up about bombing Syria and supporting the rebels and was glad the public didn't buy it. So they switch gears putting out horror stories and creating a fake beheading video, that doesn't show a beheading, and the public is riled up ready to follow orders again. These sorts of polar opposites, yesterday the rebels are our friends today our enemies, are the sorts of policy you normally associate with 1930's Soviet Union and Nazi Germany.

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davekc

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That was my point exactly. This is our wonderful foreign policy in all of it's infinite wisdom. Last year the rebels were our friends. This year we need to bomb them. Joe Q Public only absorbs sound bites and doesn't remember ridiculous policy reversals from one day to the next. Let alone a year's time. I recall fondly about a year ago when trial balloons were sent up about bombing Syria and supporting the rebels and was glad the public didn't buy it. So they switch gears putting out horror stories and creating a fake beheading video, that doesn't show a beheading, and the public is riled up ready to follow orders again. These sorts of polar opposites, yesterday the rebels are our friends today our enemies, are the sorts of policy you normally associate with 1930's Soviet Union and Nazi Germany.

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How is it determined that these videos are fake? I haven't heard that claim. I still go with my original thinking. Pull our people out and let the Kurds and Iran deal with them. They have more to lose than we do. If of course they attack here, then my mind would change.
 

LDB

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Pull all our people out and use them to lock the border tighter than Aunt Minerva's hope chest. Use all the savings to pay toward debt. Immediately end all, as in 100%, benefits and allowances to all, as in 100%, criminal aliens illegally in the country. Use all the savings to pay toward debt.
 

rollincoal

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How can we determine if the video is real? There is no video of the actual beheading. No body. So we can just assume and put our trust in, and oh by the way, this is why we should send troops over to root these rebels out? Let me put it like this. You don't believe everything you read on the internet right? Why does the evening news on TV get a free pass. They certainly don't deserve it and have been known useful dupes in the past. When it's on the evening news and has to do with whipping up viewers into a war frenzy it ought to be immediately viewed for exactly what it is, BS.

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muttly

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How is it determined that these videos are fake? I haven't heard that claim. I still go with my original thinking. Pull our people out and let the Kurds and Iran deal with them. They have more to lose than we do. If of course they attack here, then my mind would change.
The first one, there is a possibility that it was staged. Meaning he was killed off camera.
They're probably still analyzing the second one.
Foley murder video 'may have been staged' - Telegraph
 
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davekc

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At this point there is nothing conclusive either way. So we can't say it is staged any more than we can say it isn't. What is conclusive is you now have two dead guys.
 

skyraider

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I think WW2 in Europe looked alot like ISIS, in the beginning, ugh, then most of Europe was over run by some country,,,o yeah, Germany, something about ovens and cremations comes to mind...
 

Pilgrim

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How is it determined that these videos are fake? I haven't heard that claim. I still go with my original thinking. Pull our people out and let the Kurds and Iran deal with them. They have more to lose than we do. If of course they attack here, then my mind would change.
It's safe to say our spooks in the CIA and NSA are capable of figuring out whether or not the videos are real, and apparently those two guys are confirmed dead. However, the barbaric nature of these killings obscures the bigger picture, and that is one of an American president flailing around for a foreign policy after six years in office. He says he has "no strategy" for dealing with ISIS, but that shouldn't come as any surprise. He could start by arming the Kurds to the teeth with heavy weaponry and provide advisors to make sure they can use it to maximum effect. They, unlike the Iraqi army are ready and willing to take the fight to the ISIS terrorists and win. However, several knowledgeable military analysts have said that so long as ISIS is allowed a safe haven in Syria they won't be defeated. Problem is, Obama doesn't have a strategy for dealing with that either.

Here are the main reasons the ISIS problem is our concern: Obama's open borders policy and his incompetence as a leader at home and abroad. He and his liberal lackeys are not going to change, and we are highly likely to pay a heavy price as a result. The US, Britain and other civilized nations need to recognize the virtue of the ruthlessness and brutality the Allies employed to defend ourselves and totally destroy and defeat the Axis powers in WW2. If we don't unmercifully crush them, these barbarians are fully prepared to do the same to us in their quest to eliminate our civilization and our way of life. It serves no purpose to appease them try to understand their reasoning - leave that to college professors and liberal think tanks. The muslim terrorists have declared war on us whether we like it or not, and we need to respond with the same will and force used against Germany and Japan. Unfortunately, if this is to happen it will be done by the next POTUS - not Barack Hussein Obama.
 

layoutshooter

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Unless there is a FORMAL declaration of war, passed they the Congress, and unless we intend to fight that war, without the dangerous, Rules of Engagement, we are FAR better off waiting for them to come here, THEN the People can take them out. The PEOPLE would have to do it because you can bet your boots the Coward in Chief won't.
 

iceroadtrucker

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Unless there is a FORMAL declaration of war, passed they the Congress, and unless we intend to fight that war, without the dangerous, Rules of Engagement, we are FAR better off waiting for them to come here, THEN the People can take them out. The PEOPLE would have to do it because you can bet your boots the Coward in Chief won't.

Think we need some one that wont take no Crap from them Skives... https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10202842147799402&set=vb.1372724079&type=3
 

layoutshooter

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Reagan BLEW IT, BIG TIME, in the Middle East. He understood the Soviets, but not the Middle East at all.
 

aristotle

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What is ISIS really? An assortment of Muslim extremists dressed up like Ninja fighters in tennis shoes. ISIS is not an officially recognized standing army. ISIS is not a professional military force. ISIS is little more than than a motley crew of murderous savages in need of a good spanking. They kill, kill, kill because no one has really stood up to them. The Idaho National Guard could probably decimate these radicals in one month if allowed to confront them without the handcuffs of political correctness.

Make no mistake, ISIS could lay a BIG HURT on the United States if they managed to pull off a terrorist attack on our homeland. This is the real threat; that a bunch of depraved maniacs from the Middle East contrive a plan to attack us here at home. As an open society, we are vulnerable to the machinations of savage beasts whose mindset has no connection to humanity or civilized behavior.

ISIS and its followers cannot defeat the United States in any conventional sense of warfare. But, if they should come into possession of WMD's or pull off a coordinated series of terrorist attacks inside the US, then, the consequences and costs change. We would, of course, survive a terrorist attack, but depending on its severity, our freedoms and way of life would be altered.

Rather than wait for ISIS to attack us as they have promised, defeat then now without mercy. While we dither, they grow stronger. ISIS has big ambitions, eliminating ISIS now will be much easier than months or years down the road. Do not allow them to become formidable. We might not have the luxury of months or years.
 

LDB

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Yes, they should be 100% wiped off the face of the earth, coated with swine entrails and blood on their way out. That will upset some, a very good sign in the grand scheme of things.
 

layoutshooter

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They have declared themselves to be a state, treat them as such. We NEED a formal declaration of war.

OF COURSE, Obama does not WANT that. The "do nothing" mode helps him to push his US destroying agenda, which is his ONLY goal in life. The nastier ISIS becomes, the less US citizens pay attention to Obama as he wipes out the Constitution.

Obama is a HUGH supporter of ISIS. He would not even care if they DID attack the US. Better for Obama's dreams.
 
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