Documents plans for merger of U.S., Mexico, Canada

[fortwayne]

Resistance to enforcing immigration laws and border security by political elites in the nation's capital is, at least in part, a result of plans to promote political, social and economic integration of the U.S., Mexico and Canada.

Prior to the 'grand bargain' cooked up in a backroom by our so-called representatives, many people had never heard of the Security and Prosperity Partnership, yet several amendments in the Senate bill are designed specifically to further the SPP's agenda.

An agreement signed in 2005 by Bush, Paul Martin of Canada and Vicente Fox of Mexico, is nothing less than a full-frontal assault on American sovereignty.

This aim to create a North American Union between the United States, Mexico and Canada is the real reason behind "comprehensive immigration reform."

Bush's goal to create a North American Union – with no borders, a shared currency, and utterly no voice for average Americans in their own futures – is the real reason he won't enforce immigration laws.

A North American Union would not just be the end of America as we know it, but the beginning of an EU-like nightmare – a bureaucratic coup d'etat foisted upon millions of Americans without their knowledge or consent.

Anyone who cares about the future of this country – our children’s future – must act now against a North American Union and the underhanded way in which our sovereignty is being compromised, one illegal alien at a time.

Fort Wayne
Boycott The Flyless J!

 

[terryandrene]

RE: Documents plans for merger of U.S., Mexico, Ca

Dr Jerome Corsi shares your identical view in his book "The Late Great USA"

 

[FIS53]

RE: Documents plans for merger of U.S., Mexico, Ca

Think about it. North America has to do something. We are losing jobs to aisa, currency exchange is a pain for business and the borders are currently a nightmare for trucking and business.

If what you are saying comes true think of the possibilities. More freedom to travel NA. More low cost labour avialable to companies for a short while (low pay won't last) so they can compete in the world market.

The world is changing and the euro market thing has done many good things for their mfg sector. Free trading and open marketing, same currency has made doing business in europe a lot easier.

North America has to do something to stay in the world market and keep jobs here. Something will happen and I don't think it will be 20 years from now, much sooner. It means the US and Canada may have to do things they really don't want to but something has to be done or our consumers dollars will flow completely out of the North America along with too many mfg jobs.

Currently the service industry is on a growth and mostly with part time jobs. Soon we'll not be able to afford our life style.

Rob Fis

 

[greg334]

RE: Documents plans for merger of U.S., Mexico, Ca

"The world is changing and the euro market thing has done many good things for their mfg sector. Free trading and open marketing, same currency has made doing business in europe a lot easier."

I hear free trade, open market? Rob, take a serious look at the EU and what is really happening over there.

Got relatives in Italy who can't farm, they are ordered not to farm and have to cut down 250 olive trees (some of the trees were 200 years old). The qouta for olive products from their region has been met and the farm is one of 100 or so that is now idle. This is happening all over the place while the EU is trying to make things 'equal and fair' to all.

The same goes for people I know in Spain, they used to export to the US with little problems, now they don't even bother. The regulations are written in such a manner that they find it a nightmare to even bother because they are in Spain and not say france or poland. They now sell on a EU market at a third of what they used to get from the US.

I talked to others who don't like the lose in cultural identity and the lose of control within their own country. The French have been fighting a lot of these rules and regulations on the local level and the french government has pointed out when other countries complain that these are french businesses and part of the french culture, which makes it alright. France and Demark both rejected the EU consitution and now was just a vote to rewrite the consitution by the end of the year.

I say no thanks to a combined North America. Our individual systems work and have worked well long before the EU was around and most likely will be here long after the Europeans are declaring war against each other.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

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If we had true Free Trade there would be no need for brokers...
Goods made in the U.S or Canada should flow freely. While still maintaining our own countries. The EU might have gone a step over the line. It should be easier in NA as there is only 3 countries to manage trade....

 

[greg334]

RE: Documents plans for merger of U.S., Mexico, Ca

OVM,
I sort of agree with you, but truthfully Canada and the US have more in common than do we (Canada and US) have with Mexico. Language is one factor that divides the two, but history is another, seeing Canada and the US were one time a British colony.

I would support Mexico in a NA union but not until they have real political reforms, clean up the corruption within the government and get with a real program to bring up education and other social areas to our standards. They seem not to care and we (the US) has given them so much money to help them with NAFTA but they have done nothing.

It is so puzzling that we have a country on our southern border that is so rich but so messed up that many people just don’t get it.

I don’t believe we need to go to a single currency; there is no need to do this. The system we have now works well.

I would love to see the following;

• Elimination of the tariffs for US produced goods to Canada and Canada produced goods to the US.

• A change in our (the US) tax system, of course this is a plug for the Fair Tax

• Elimination of all free trade zones in Mexico to force some of the companies to come back to their respective countries, but again I think that the change in the tax system will do more to do this than anything else for the US. Canada could go to this tax system but I doubt that they will.

 

[bryan]

RE: Documents plans for merger of U.S., Mexico, Ca

Hi

I always thought that The New World Order was just a bunch of conspiracy theories.Guess not.

We need to stop this administration from doing anything.They have a history of making rash uninformed decisions.If this is such a good idea then it can wait a couple more years.Heck maybe a couple of hundred more years.

It seems to me that some of these leader are setting us up for Armagedan (sp) while thumping their bibles.Some how I think they are pissing God off.We aren't suppose to knew when the end is.They aren't any better than that idiot in California who claim the aliens were coming to take the rightous away and when the aliens didn't come he had his people commit suicide.

I suggest a little more reading and alot less thumping on their part.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

RE: Documents plans for merger of U.S., Mexico, Ca

Greg..Canada and Ontario have been in budget surpluses for at least the last 4 years and have paid down the National Debt considerable which has lowered personal and corporate income taxes and you see the result. They've been able to lower Unemployment contributions, healthcare and workplace insurance. Jobs jobs jobs...The economy is going so strong that the feds are thinking interest rate hikes to slow it down...And this helps the U.S. manufacturers that supply these companies...
Come on U.S you've been spittin and sputtering lets get the economy going somehow...Those tax cuts didn't help none. They never do.

 

[greg334]

RE: Documents plans for merger of U.S., Mexico, Ca

“We need to stop this administration from doing anything. They have a history of making rash uninformed decisions.â€

Brenda, you are partially right on this but to be 100% correct you need to include every senator and congressman in office for the duration of the administration – they all make uninformed irrational decisions, no exceptions.

OVM,
I first question the need to slow anything down when there is a boom time. This happened in the US in 1968/69 and it led to a hard recession in the 70’s and then more regulations led to Carter and the recession of the early 80’s.

Now the difference between the two countries’ tax system is like night and day, where Canada took the British approach to taxes, where we just started with a mess and continued to allow it to grow. I am happy that Canada is doing well; to be exact I think that they should teach Mexico and Cuba how to get it together but I do not think that we can apply some of the things that were done there here.

There are two major issues with the tax system we have today, one is it is truly punitive in its nature and it is so convoluted that even the IRS can’t keep up. If you look at the history of our tax system, there were no real reason for some of the increases (like going into a depression and increasing taxes which led to a worsening depression in 1937) and when we had real tax cuts, like the one in 1964 and the one in the 80’s – our economy boomed. The former was really the true proof that a tax cut worked, JFK was told it would be a complete and total disaster if we cut taxes and even McNamara thought that the country would be in chaos but by 1965 rolled around, manufacturing was at an all time high (GM added 10 different models in 1965 and had three shifts running because they could not keep up), the unemployment rate was really low (meaning true near-full employment) and we had a very nice surplus that was used for the Great Society programs (which were a disaster). All of this was because JFK and some of his staff recognize the punitive nature of the tax code as it was written.

The one thing that I can point out about the idea of a tax cut or a real true change in the tax system is the country of Ireland and how they cut taxes to promote growth. I read several very interesting articles about the situation in Ireland and how it is bucking the predicted trends from the experts in the EU financial departments. Apparently they took several steps to correct things over there, better social programs, better education, a serious reduction in regulations and LOWER TAXES. The last item is not cited in many publication that have talked about the success Ireland has had but the experts over here do seem to think that this is the only reason that everything fell into place in Ireland and I have to agree with their approach.

As you said the tax cuts didn’t work, but they did. There are other problems that have been causing these problems in the US, one is the incentive to use off shore manufacturing through the tax system and tax free zones in Mexico. Why should a company stay here when they get these tax breaks using foreign labor?

 

[OntarioVanMan]

RE: Documents plans for merger of U.S., Mexico, Ca

The more I travel thru rural America the more Abandoned buildings shutdown plants...empty houses that couldn't sell...it's aweful out here....I feel for the average American struggling with just trying to hold thier job. Hoping and praying that thier company doesn't go abroad...not a nice way to live with uncertainity hanging over your head each and every day...scared to make that big purchase cause they might announce closure. The economy would pick up if it weren't for this..instead they patch the ole car..paint over instead of replace.

 

[Pilgrim]

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I'll have to admit I'm mystified at your impression of the US. The unemployment rate is well below 5%, and there was a time not too long ago that 5.5% was considered Full Employment. I'm not sure where you're seeing all these miserable conditions, but it's not in the Southeastern US. Expensive homes and condos are being built (mostly by illegal Mexicans) everywhere you look, new retail centers and shopping malls going up in anticipation of the population and housing growth, and many downtown areas are being revitalized due to the higher occupancy rates in office space. Granted, there are some plants that are shut down due to relocation to Mexico and I'll agree that a lot of those should have stayed in the US - but that's a discussion for another thread. This is part of the economical evolution into high-tech and services and away from heavy industry. In short, the American economy is doing quite well but the segment that feeds much of the ground expedite business has been a little puny in some places due to the largess of the Big Three US auto manufacturers. Fact is that tax cuts always work to improve economic conditions, and two of the most obvious examples are when Kennedy cut taxes in the '60s and especially the Reagan tax cuts in the '80s. The Bush administration has been fumbling around with the Iraq situation, but their management of the economy has been excellent - you just don't see them get any credit in the mainstream media.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

RE: Documents plans for merger of U.S., Mexico, Ca

true true true..but of them under 5% how many just fell off the count? Like the ones Unemployment ran out and they disappear?

I see Chicago and all the new growth and what is this growth? Logistics and distribution centers! America is turning into one big warehouse...

 

[Moot]

RE: Documents plans for merger of U.S., Mexico, Ca

THINK METRIC!