Do not watch till Sunday, but.....

Dreamer

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And again you have shown something that supports your interpretation of what is right.


I know some very wealthy people who followed the principles he, and those like him set forth. I have confidence in them and their walk with Christ. Yes, there are wealthy Christians lol. Heck.. I even met some Christian Democrats. now that really messed me up!


my point is we all have our interpretation I don't believe any of us is 100 percent right.

Some would say you preach a false gospel .. some would say I do.. which 1 do we believe? Why dont we concentrate on the points we have in common?

One song.


Dale
 

Dreamer

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You can sing soprano, alto, tenor, or bass, as long as you sing the right anthem.
Osteen is singing a different anthem.

I understand what you mean but I don't see it that way.. I think he's just singing a different part.

By their fruit shall you know them.

Dale
 

AMonger

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I know some very wealthy people who unfollowed the principles he, and the like him set forth. I have confidence in them and their walk with Christ. Yes, there are wealthy Christians lol.
We have to wonder, is their faith in Christ, fully cognizant of their own sin, or is their faith in faith?
Heck.. I even met some Christian Democrats. now that really messed me up!
The difference between Democrats & Demon-crats... I suppose there might be some Democrats...anything is possible, I suppose. Maybe they hang out with Bigfoot & The Loch Ness Monster.
my point is we all have our interpretation I don't believe any of us is 100 percent right.
I'm sure I'm not 100% right. Where I'm in opposition to scripture, then and there I'm wrong. However...scripture tells us preaching a false gospel is an entirely different matter, in a league with intentionally altering scripture or blaspheming the Holy Spirit.
Some would say you preach a false gospel .. some would say I do.. which 1 do we believe? Why dont we concentrate on the points we have in common?
One song.
Dale
Because scripture tells us to separate along the lines of a false gospel. And the ones preaching the false gospel are the ones whose preaching diverges from the gospel laid out in scripture: you're a sinner who's destined for the lake of fire, unless Christ saves you. "God loves you and has a wonderful plan for your life" is something else entirely.
 

AMonger

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I understand what you mean but I don't see it that way.. I think he's just singing a different part.

By their fruit shall you know them.

Dale
...the ones preaching the false gospel are the ones whose preaching diverges from the gospel laid out in scripture: you're a sinner who's destined for the lake of fire, unless Christ saves you. "God loves you and has a wonderful plan for your life" is something else entirely.
 

Turtle

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"We despise all reverences and all the objects of reverence which are outside the pale of our own list of sacred things. And yet, with strange inconsistency, we are shocked when other people despise and defile the things which are holy to us."

"So much blood has been shed by the Church because of an omission from the Gospel: "Ye shall be indifferent as to what your neighbor's religion is." Not merely tolerant of it, but indifferent to it. Divinity is claimed for many religions; but no religion is great enough or divine enough to add that new law to its code."

"Go to Heaven for the climate, go to Hell for the company."
 

layoutshooter

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It is tiring. Individuals distort teaching of love and tolerance to preach a "gospel" of hate. Those individuals are not limited to any single belief, be it Christian, Jewish , Muslim, Hindu, etc. but all share the same perversion.
 

Dreamer

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It is tiring. Individuals distort teaching of love and tolerance to preach a "gospel" of hate. Those individuals are not limited to any single belief, be it Christian, Jewish , Muslim, Hindu, etc. but all share the same perversion.

I don't believe Hate ever converted a single person.



Dale
 

aquitted

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I think when we get to heaven we will be surprised to see whos there and whos not. I still think the answer is in my last post.
 

AMonger

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It is tiring. Individuals distort teaching of love and tolerance to preach a "gospel" of hate. Those individuals are not limited to any single belief, be it Christian, Jewish , Muslim, Hindu, etc. but all share the same perversion.
Christianity is not about love & tolerance. It's about reconciliation to God & the glorification of Christ.
 

AMonger

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"We despise all reverences and all the objects of reverence which are outside the pale of our own list of sacred things. And yet, with strange inconsistency, we are shocked when other people despise and defile the things which are holy to us."
Why? Because they're wrong. I mean, if you think Christianity is wrong and Islam is right (excuse me...I have to punish my fingers for typing that. Ok, I slammed my hand in a door, and now I'm back.) then you'd be a Muslim instead of a Christian, right? Nobody adheres to a religion they think is wrong, excerpt Al Gore, but he's hardly normal.
Do I hate Muslims because they worship a fictitious god and revere a false prophet above Christ? Absolutely not. It's kind of sad, but it doesn't anger me. God can fight His own battles.
It's kind of like something said by a radio guy to whom I listen, Mancow. He was talking about how Dennis Rodman went over to North Korea and cozied up to the latest whack job dictator over there. Many are outraged. But the Cow said, "Look, I know Dennis Rodman. The fact is, he's dumb. Really. He's as dumb as a box of rocks. And just as you expect children to do childish things, you can expect dumb people to be dumb and not be angry about it."
So it is with Muslims. You look at how Islam started, all the way back to Abraham, and you can see how they are the way they are. You look at the severely diminished IQ, a full standard deviation lower than the norm, in areas where Islam is prominent, and then the scenes of them cutting themselves makes more sense. I know Twain used "despise" in a different sense, not of personal hatred, yet, perhaps due to his humanism/atheism, he didn't take into account that it's entirely normal for a man to consider his religion right, it wouldn't be his religion.
"So much blood has been shed by the Church because of an omission from the Gospel: "Ye shall be indifferent as to what your neighbor's religion is." Not merely tolerant of it, but indifferent to it. Divinity is claimed for many religions; but no religion is great enough or divine enough to add that new law to its code."
"Go to Heaven for the climate, go to Hell for the company."
That's not entirely true. False household gods were only condemned in ancient Israel (after they settled in the Promised Land, iirc) if their adherents proselytized.
And what Twain speaks of an omission is merely his addition. God is a jealous God.
 

skyraider

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When the term jealousy is applied to God in Scripture it is usually because His people are worshiping idols. In the second of His ten commandments He warned them not to do that, but they failed to listen to Him.
 

Turtle

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If you're omnipotent and you're still insecure, you need to talk with Dr. Phil or something.

I'm just saying'
 

aquitted

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I would highly recomend A Strongs concordance when studying the Word and I mean that with respect.
 

LDB

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Disclaimer: I have not read the entire thread so this may already have been mentioned. There are who knows how many denominations, all created by man, to satisfy either their desire for certain features in their religion or to satisfy their interpretation of scripture. The problem with that is that anyone who adds to or subtracts from the Bible is doomed to failure and that's just what they are doing when they make their changes for the better. They'll be saying "Lord, Lord" and they won't be heard.

I don't know Joel Osteen. I can't speak of him directly. He's a preacher. Preachers come in two varieties. One is a true believer, a servant, dedicated to and desiring to share faith with others and hoping to bring others along on the trip to Heaven. The other is a businessman whose product just happens to be religion, dedicated to and desiring to build as big a business as possible and create as much profit as possible. Osteen is one or the other. He knows and God knows and only the latter matters.

Lastly, there is one way to get to Heaven. It's spelled out in the Bible. Those who adhere to that one way and follow that one way will have a chance to go to Heaven. Those who deviate from that way for whatever reason will not. The Bible says so.
 

AMonger

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Preachers come in two varieties. One is a true believer, a servant, dedicated to and desiring to share faith with others and hoping to bring others along on the trip to Heaven. The other is a businessman whose product just happens to be religion, dedicated to and desiring to build as big a business as possible and create as much profit as possible. Osteen is one or the other. He knows and God knows and only the latter matters.
Among those who really want to shepherd the flock, there are another two kinds: those whose religion is true and those whose religion is not.
Ever see The Fifth Element starring Bruce Willis & Milla Jovovich? There was a priest in it, a priest of a neo-religion, or maybe pseudo-religion would be better. It wasn't a religion the way we define it i.e. a go-between between a monotheistic god and a religion's adherents. He had an important role, and he was called a priest, had vestments, the responsibility of passing "the faith" down to the next generation etc., but not a religion in which a god, let alone God, was worshipped.
Another example is the Star Trek episode in which Kirk & Spock go back in time and Kirk falls in love with the woman who runs the homeless mission. She feeds the homeless, and one complains, "Yeah, but now we gotta stay for the sermon!" Then she gets up and starts talking excitedly about how man is going to split the atom, a very humanistic type of thing, not about God at all
Osteen is similar. He has what's called a church. People who go there consider themselves "going to church." Songs are sung. There's a sermon of sorts. A collection. More singing. But like the Star Trek mission, it's about the glorification of man, not Christ reconciling us to God by saving us from our sin.
Osteen is no more a minister of the gospel than those movie characters, even if he mentions Jesus now and then.
 
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