Disappearing Industry

layoutshooter · Jan 19, 2014

There are TONS of business opportunities out there right now. I wish I had the brains and the capitol to jump in. All these "energy problems" are gold waiting to be mined.

Tennesseahawk · Jan 19, 2014

Turtle said:
The vast majority of lead in lead acid batteries comes from recycled lead from lead acid batteries. Recycled lead is exactly as pure as virgin lead.

As for the conspiracy of keeping the MPG down on vehicles, there is none. The physics of the internal combustion engine, and of the energy stored inside fuel, cannot be changed. If it could, and it was physically possible to get a gazillion miles per gallon in a vehicle, then some rabble rouser rebel outside the control of Big Oil and The Big Three like China, Russia, The Netherlands or Djibouti would have done it already. They would simply do an end run around all this stifling control and just do it.

Same with the super high performance battery. There are people all over the world working on new battery technology. They day something new is invented it won't be consumer-ready, but then again neither was the Li-Ion battery technology when it was first invented, which is the technology that powers your cell phone, laptop, and the Tesla.

Then get assassinated, like Stanley Meyer.

Turtle · Jan 19, 2014

Tennesseahawk said:
Then get assassinated, like Stanley Meyer.

Oh, puhleeze. Dood had a history if high blood pressure, and died of a brain aneurysm, with no trace whatsoever of any poison in his system. His hydrogen power car is exactly the same thing that gets bandied about every time fuel prices go up, which is simple electrolysis using a battery to separate out hydrogen and oxygen, and has been proven to be, just like the recent incarnations, to be a fraud. In order for it to work, the second and third laws of thermodynamics need to be violated. All of his patents relating to his water powered car are 101 Patents, which means they are not actually awarded until they are successfully demonstrated, which none of them ever were. He had a chance to demonstrate it during a lawsuit, but it was cloudy that day, or something.

Stanley Meyer wasn't assassinated by Big Oil (or The Big Three, or the Illuminati or whatever) any more than Pete Rose assassinated Bart Giamatti. Remember all the hullballoo over the Genepax car from Japan back in 2008? The same exact thing as Meyers' car. Exactly. No one at Genepax was assassinated. It is actually possible to make a car look like it runs on water without breaking the first law of thermodynamics. The way it's usually done is with metal hydrides (or using electricity from a battery). These react with water to produce hydrogen, which is then used to power the car. But since these hydrides will deplete with time, they need to be replaced and so they are actually the fuel, not the water. And more energy goes into producing them than will be taken out, making them an energy carrier, just like a battery.

Hydrogen itself is a high-energy, flammable substance, but its useful energy is released when water is formed by combining the hydrogen and oxygen molecules. The process of electrolysis splits water into hydrogen and oxygen, but it takes more energy to take apart a water molecule as was released when the hydrogen was oxidized to form water in the first place. You can't get something for nothing. Otherwise, somebody, somewhere, would be making a killing on water powered cars. Or, at least, they could demonstrate that it actually works.But they can't, because it doesn't.

Thus far, every single water-fueled car has found to be a fraud, with most also tied to investment fraud.

Tennesseahawk · Jan 19, 2014

Turtle said:
Oh, puhleeze. Dood had a history if high blood pressure, and died of a brain aneurysm, with no trace whatsoever of any poison in his system. His hydrogen power car is exactly the same thing that gets bandied about every time fuel prices go up, which is simple electrolysis using a battery to separate out hydrogen and oxygen, and has been proven to be, just like the recent incarnations, to be a fraud. In order for it to work, the second and third laws of thermodynamics need to be violated. All of his patents relating to his water powered car are 101 Patents, which means they are not actually awarded until they are successfully demonstrated, which none of them ever were. He had a chance to demonstrate it during a lawsuit, but it was cloudy that day, or something.

Stanley Meyer wasn't assassinated by Big Oil (or The Big Three, or the Illuminati or whatever) any more than Pete Rose assassinated Bart Giamatti. Remember all the hullballoo over the Genepax car from Japan back in 2008? The same exact thing as Meyers' car. Exactly. No one at Genepax was assassinated. It is actually possible to make a car look like it runs on water without breaking the first law of thermodynamics. The way it's usually done is with metal hydrides (or using electricity from a battery). These react with water to produce hydrogen, which is then used to power the car. But since these hydrides will deplete with time, they need to be replaced and so they are actually the fuel, not the water. And more energy goes into producing them than will be taken out, making them an energy carrier, just like a battery.

Hydrogen itself is a high-energy, flammable substance, but its useful energy is released when water is formed by combining the hydrogen and oxygen molecules. The process of electrolysis splits water into hydrogen and oxygen, but it takes more energy to take apart a water molecule as was released when the hydrogen was oxidized to form water in the first place. You can't get something for nothing. Otherwise, somebody, somewhere, would be making a killing on water powered cars. Or, at least, they could demonstrate that it actually works.But they can't, because it doesn't.

Thus far, every single water-fueled car has found to be a fraud, with most also tied to investment fraud.

Oh puleeze. Believe what you want. Never said he was taken down by big oil. From what I read, he signed a contract with the Pentagon the day before he was poisoned, then said, as he walked out of the restaurant he ate at like clockwork, "They poisoned me." He then proceeded to die.

There is HUGE money to be made on oil, which would not be made if there were a viable alternative fuel. I'm not convinced that our government would forgo money to be made, in the interest of mankind. Our government has shown too many times that its corporate bedfellows come before the Constitution and the American populous.

Ragman · Jan 19, 2014

Tennesseahawk said:
Then get assassinated, like Stanley Meyer.

Turtle said:

Oh, puhleeze. Dood had a history if high blood pressure, and died of a brain aneurysm, with no trace whatsoever of any poison in his system. His hydrogen power car is exactly the same thing that gets bandied about every time fuel prices go up, which is simple electrolysis using a battery to separate out hydrogen and oxygen, and has been proven to be, just like the recent incarnations, to be a fraud. In order for it to work, the second and third laws of thermodynamics need to be violated. All of his patents relating to his water powered car are 101 Patents, which means they are not actually awarded until they are successfully demonstrated, which none of them ever were. He had a chance to demonstrate it during a lawsuit, but it was cloudy that day, or something.

Stanley Meyer wasn't assassinated by Big Oil (or The Big Three, or the Illuminati or whatever) any more than Pete Rose assassinated Bart Giamatti. Remember all the hullballoo over the Genepax car from Japan back in 2008? The same exact thing as Meyers' car. Exactly. No one at Genepax was assassinated. It is actually possible to make a car look like it runs on water without breaking the first law of thermodynamics. The way it's usually done is with metal hydrides (or using electricity from a battery). These react with water to produce hydrogen, which is then used to power the car. But since these hydrides will deplete with time, they need to be replaced and so they are actually the fuel, not the water. And more energy goes into producing them than will be taken out, making them an energy carrier, just like a battery.

Hydrogen itself is a high-energy, flammable substance, but its useful energy is released when water is formed by combining the hydrogen and oxygen molecules. The process of electrolysis splits water into hydrogen and oxygen, but it takes more energy to take apart a water molecule as was released when the hydrogen was oxidized to form water in the first place. You can't get something for nothing. Otherwise, somebody, somewhere, would be making a killing on water powered cars. Or, at least, they could demonstrate that it actually works.But they can't, because it doesn't.

Thus far, every single water-fueled car has found to be a fraud, with most also tied to investment fraud.

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But it is more fun to holler conspiracy!

Tennesseahawk · Jan 19, 2014

Ragman said:
But it is more fun to holler conspiracy!

Thanks, Rags. You reminded me why I quit posting here.

Maverick · Jan 19, 2014

Ragman said:
But it is more fun to holler conspiracy!

Ya, I don't know who to laugh at more....the wild conspiracy bunch, or those people who don't believe groups of people get together behind closed doors and work deals all the time.

That conspiracy label just gives one an excuse.... to not investigate all angles and a comfort zone of denial. They can take me for a ride all they want. Long as I know it's being done, I can live with that.

To be constantly bamboozled all the time.....is an insult to ones intelligence. Sorry, I refuse the offer. Those who throw that word around all the time, as if there's no such thing?

"It is natural for man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts... For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth, to know the worst, and to provide for it."

Patrick Henry

Turtle · Jan 19, 2014

Tennesseahawk said:
Oh puleeze. Believe what you want.

I believe what the evidence shows, and do so without jumping to "wants and wishes" conclusions.

Never said he was taken down by big oil. From what I read, he signed a contract with the Pentagon the day before he was poisoned, then said, as he walked out of the restaurant he ate at like clockwork, "They poisoned me." He then proceeded to die.

I didn't limit it to Big Oil. I limited to the unlimited by the use of "whatever." In any event, the "They poisoned me," was a claim made by his bother, a claim which no one else even heard. He didn't make the statement on the way out of the Cracker Barrel, he made it after he was outside. And he also made it after he had paid for the meal with his credit card (according to Cracker Barrel, credit card, and court records), and after both of the Belgian investors had departed from the premises. The wackos call his death "bizarre" and "mysterious" apparently because they don't believe in coincidence, or they question Atherosclerosis properties of a Cracker Barrel restaurant in which a chronic hypertensive Meyers ate like clockwork.

There is HUGE money to be made on oil, which would not be made if there were a viable alternative fuel. I'm not convinced that our government would forgo money to be made, in the interest of mankind. Our government has shown too many times that its corporate bedfellows come before the Constitution and the American populous.

You say that like you believe the water car actually works. If the water car worked, the above paragraph would be absolutely valid. But since it doesn't, it's conspiracy theory wacko at its finest. With no evidence whatsoever, you've concluded that the government and their corporate bedfellows had something to do with not only the squashing of Stanley Meyers, but every other "inventor" of water powered cars around the world, including that yahoo from Pakistan last year. You conclude this, not because there is any evidence of it happening, but because there is no evidence of it happening. You conclude, despite the government being incompetence personified, that they and their bedfellows are able to squish like a bug anyone in the world who can come up with a way to violate the laws of physics.

Ragman · Jan 19, 2014

Tennesseahawk said:
Thanks, Rags. You reminded me why I quit posting here.

Relax Hawk.

I just don't see evil doings behind every bad situation. Sometimes bad things just happen.

scottm4211 · Jan 19, 2014

My Sprinter is powered by sea monkeys.

layoutshooter · Jan 19, 2014

scottm4211 said:
My Sprinter is powered by sea monkeys.

Does that mean you are always monkeying around on your loads?
I bet that "shrimpy" engine has you using "Salty" language.

skyraider · Jan 19, 2014

Old Stanley Meyer: he was 57 years young; This is just one page on Google, just one..You can look all these up when you want to.

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skyraider · Jan 19, 2014

There is a Stephen Meyer, Stans twin brother,,,where is he......

layoutshooter · Jan 19, 2014

skyraider said:
There is a Stephen Meyer, Stans twin brother,,,where is he......

With Elvis?

Ragman · Jan 19, 2014

layoutshooter said:
With Elvis?

Elvis works alone.

Proof: Elvis is Alive!! - Elvis Presley, the man, the myth, the legend, the king of rock-n-roll, IS ALIVE and working as an undercover agent for the DEA

layoutshooter · Jan 19, 2014

Ragman said:
Elvis works alone.

Proof: Elvis is Alive!! - Elvis Presley, the man, the myth, the legend, the king of rock-n-roll, IS ALIVE and working as an undercover agent for the DEA

I can see where a 78 year old would be a good undercover agent for the DEA. There is little doubt that a Mexican cartel would willingly accept an old, worn out white guy, with a southern accent, who is addicted to banana sandwiches, into their confidence. It makes sense.

Ragman · Jan 19, 2014

layoutshooter said:
I can see where a 78 year old would be a good undercover agent for the DEA. There is little doubt that a Mexican cartel would willingly accept an old, worn out white guy, with a southern accent, who is addicted to banana sandwiches, into their confidence. It makes sense.

Must be true. I read it on the internet.