diplomatic immunity

[LDB]

How many of you would intentionally have picked a fight with a 35 year old Chuck Norris or Steven Segall? The point is for any potential opponent to be so certain of absolute defeat they won't mess with you. That's how you guarantee never having to fight, moreso than with diplomacy or any other means.

 

[layoutshooter]

How many of you would intentionally have picked a fight with a 35 year old Chuck Norris or Steven Segall? The point is for any potential opponent to be so certain of absolute defeat they won't mess with you. That's how you guarantee never having to fight, moreso than with diplomacy or any other means.

I understand and agree, Leo. Just as I said about the "Cold War" it ended when we built a "bigger stick" than the Soviets could build. We did not have to use that stick.

Diplomatic immunity is another issue.

 

[LDB]

Yes, these are two distinct issues. The DI is a tough issue but I believe one where we give more than we get just like many issues. Your Cold War example is exactly right and what I meant. Only an idiot would pick a fight with an opponent they know is going to soundly defeat them.

 

[layoutshooter]

Yes, these are two distinct issues. The DI is a tough issue but I believe one where we give more than we get just like many issues. Your Cold War example is exactly right and what I meant. Only an idiot would pick a fight with an opponent they know is going to soundly defeat them.

Yeah, the DI one is tough to say the least. It requires everyone to play by the same rules. Iran proved that they do not. They have proven themselves to be scum back then and still are, as a Nation, scum today. I am sure that there are many good, trustworthy people in that country, just as here. Seems like it is our governments that cannot be trusted. Although, I must say, we, as a government does not attack embassies like they do. More than one as well.

 

[jaminjim]

How many of you would intentionally have picked a fight with a 35 year old Chuck Norris

I don't want what he could bring today let alone back in his heyday!

or Steven Segall?

From what I have heard he seems to be a POS. Tough maybe, POS seems a certainty.

 

[RLENT]

Maybe the 11 killed in the PI by Muslim extreamists?

How could the killings of 11 individuals by a terrorist group (who were apparently not diplomats ) have anything to with having motivated a post having to do with the appropriateness and/or wisdom of having diplomatic immunity or not ?

Where's the connection ?

Your premise makes no sense whatsoever .... (but hey, don't let that stop ya ...)

 

[layoutshooter]

How could the killings of 11 individuals by a terrorist group (who were apparently not diplomats ) have anything to with having motivated a post having to do with the appropriateness and/or wisdom of having diplomatic immunity or not ?

Where's the connection ?

Your premise makes no sense whatsoever .... (but hey, don't let that stop ya ...)

You seem to have missed a couple of posts there RLENT. I stated earlier that Leo was mixing up DI and national strength. They are NOT the same. DI is messed up and national weakness breeds contempt. Sorry if you missed what I said. I guess it is easy to just ignore all the post. I have done it in the past too.

 

[RLENT]

I mean Leo, if you watch 24 and get all involved with the BS that the show has had in this season, then I can understand the statement but it just doesn't work that way.

OHMIGAWD ..... is that what this is about .... a freakin' fictional TV show ?

You are seriously frickin' kiddin' right ?

This is a combination of things.

Buddy, you got that right .... I can promise you - there are many things, many issues you need to address ..... seek help please, before it's too late .....

One is a day off of tv and movies

Dude .... you need to seriously restrict the visual stimulation (and maybe the aural stimulation as well) ..... clearly, you can't handle it .....

Like a diabetic who is sugar-bingeing .... or a crack addict who can't put down the pipe ..... the excitement and adrenalin may be thrillin' while you're doing it, but it's gonna kill ya ....

in which various murderers and other criminals have zero consequences because they are shielded by diplomatic immunity.

IT'S FREAKING FICTION - IT AIN'T REALITY !

Yes, I know that's Hollywood fiction ......

No ..... no .... apparently you don't .....

For someone to allow fictional entertainment in the form of tv shows and movies to affect their emotions and upset them to a point where they believe it's the same as reality is bad enough .....

But then, as a consequence, to advocate certain things in the real world based on the latest episode .... is ... sheer lunacy .....

It's hallucinatory and delusional .....

 

[layoutshooter]

Nope, Hollywood is not reality. How much time have you spent under the reality of any of those international treaties? I spent 3 years under the Geneva Convention, 18 months under the Statute of Forces agreement with Japan and 5 years in England with no treaty protection as all, as did my wife for those 5 years.

Pick Pick Pick, must be hard to be that perfect. Words are only words, experience counts. What happens in real life when living and working overseas under, or not under, these treaties is often far different than what some learned in school or on internet sites.

Only reality counts.

 

[layoutshooter]

Nope, Hollywood is not reality. How much time have you spent under the reality of any of those international treaties? I spent 3 years under the Geneva Convention, 18 months under the Statute of Forces agreement with Japan and 5 years in England with no treaty protection at all, as did my wife for those 5 years.

Pick Pick Pick, must be hard to be that perfect. Words are only words, experience counts. What happens in real life when living and working overseas under, or not under, these treaties is often far different than what some learned in school or on internet sites.

Only reality counts

 

[RLENT]

You seem to have missed a couple of posts there RLENT.

I missed nothing - you posed your premise relating to extremists in answer to a question jaminjim posed - you had previously posted on national strength (which had nothing to with the subject matter of the thread, which was DI) - in which you assumed that Leo was mixing them up (I'm not so sure that he was)

I stated earlier that Leo was mixing up DI and national strength.

That's your assumption ..... like all assumptions, it may or may not be correct .....

Sorry if you missed what I said.

Didn't miss it at all - but I did intentionally ignore it - since it had nothing whatsoever to with the subject matter of thread, which was diplomatic immunity (which you apparently missed when you wrote your first post in the thread - and interjected national strength, which until that time wasn't brought up, except peripherally ... as a consequence of the discussion of DI)

I guess it is easy to just ignore all the post.

Yup - it is extremely easy ignore posts which aren't germane and really have nothing to do with the subject of a thread - it's how you keep things on-topic.

 

[jaminjim]

OHMIGAWD .....

Okay I don't mind using my right click dictionary but what in the name of blue bunny rabbits does that mean?

 

[RLENT]

What's the matter LOS - your trigger-finger a little twitchy ?

 

[RLENT]

Okay I don't mind using my right click dictionary but what in the name of blue bunny rabbits does that mean?

Oh my God ?

 

[layoutshooter]

Nope, my "trigger finger" is perfect. I do have a touch of "arthur" in my middle finger of my left hand. Both knees too.

I understood what Leo was speaking of. I understood his mix up and mixing of terms. It was not hard, unless one is perfect and is not capable of understanding things.

Again, how many years were you subject to any of this or is all your beliefs based on "book learning" ? Not accusing, just asking.

Leo expressed an opinion, as did you. Neither is more valid than the other. One might have been expressed more accurately than the other, but, each is a valid opinion. I respect what Leo feels as much as I do your beliefs. You both have the right to your opinion and have the right to express it. Both are right in their own way.

Leo is a man of passion, I respect that. Sorry you miss the jest of his thoughts. I would love to read what would happen if Leo was to sit down with a writer, speak his piece and have the writer "fix it" for him. Not knocking you Leo, I write far more like you than anyone else.

 

[RLENT]

Pick Pick Pick, must be hard to be that perfect.

While it surely must be hard to be perfect (something I wouldn't know) ... it really doesn't take all that much effort to try and least think in rational manner .....

Only reality counts.

I believe that was precisely my point .....

 

[layoutshooter]

And your real life experience with any of these treaties, either covered or not, is?

Leo is fixed in reality more than you might think he is. It is only his use of terms and writing that is lacking. That often happens when passion is primary in a persons life.

Relax, no harm was done. He is a good, solid, basic man.

 

[jaminjim]

Oh my God ?

Duh.....

 

[LDB]

I choose not to take obsessive amounts of time to write and dissect and rewrite my posts. I say what needs to be said in a way that those with a brain and common sense can understand. I don't worry about those who need an interpretor. I'm not taking the time to go back and find the various reports of diplomatic DUI etc. but as I said, there are real world incidents of DI letting someone get by on something they shouldn't and not just once in the course of history. That is the problem and that is what bothers me. The day of shows was nothing more than the reminder to make a post.

 

[layoutshooter]

There are two kinds of people, for the most part, passionate people and book smart people. Both are prone to mistakes in life, no more or no less than the other.

Passion is based on the heart, book learning is not. While both have their place, both make mistakes, passion is more real in the human experience. Books often express the "ideal", passion express the reality.

Passion burns, it feels, it senses. Books are sterile, devoid of feeling. Man is a feeling being. Those feelings often cause problems but being sterile produces nothing.