Did they think about this Scenario?

[8secondbull]

Here is a twist on the two periods of 1am to 5am requirement that I wonder if the liberal powers from above that hold an everlasting understanding of all that is good, right, and wholesome, have thought about so that I may serve as an upstanding and everlasting tax supply for all those in need.

This Saturday morning I delivered a load at 9am after what we will just refer to as " A long night ". I was not out of hours, but willpower and energy very much so, and my team driver was working on completeing a 10 hour break. The freight comes off the truck and a delivery confirmation has been sent. At this point it is time to quit for the weekend. My team driver and I are in need of a (formally known as) 34 hour restart (even though now in reality, thanks to ingenious regulation will be 40 hours plus) to gain access to a fresh new week of golden opportunity. The city I delivered in was a fantastic location to do as such. So what is the problem you may ask or wonder to your self?

* Dont miss the next paragraph, this is where it gets good. *

The problem at large is, *drum roll please*, on Monday I have a predispatch too many miles away from where i sit, that if I were to take my "34hr." break at this fantastic city I just deliverd in because, (check this out) "I AM TIRED!" from driving all night, I will NOT make the required pickup time for my load monday morning due to the fact I cannot leave until 5am Monday morning.

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So naturally what do I do? I summon the powers of rand mcnally tnd720 which finds the next closest truckstop 98 miles away that will be in range of my pickup DUE TO the 5am restriction and I proceed to that location.

So in closing let me take this time to ask all involved:

Dear Mr President , Anne Ferro and The FMCSA: , All MAP21 Associates , and lastly, All public interest groups who truly believe in your hearts it is for the better cause of society that the trucking industry be regulated to a 09:00 - 17:00 vocation:

What was the answer to my frustration today, and might I make a suggestion? Perhaps you could place into law that Qualcomm place a second " Reject " button right next to the one you have provided me on the Hours of Service screen in regards to the once a week limited 34 hour restart. May this second " Reject " button grant me the authority on behalf of my carrier with out any consent from anyone other than your goverment authority, to Reject any and all previously agreed upon shipment agreements made between my carrier and the customer that conflict with my fatigue level due to the regulations that you have bestowed upon me for the better of myself, all those like me, and the national safety level as a whole. Thank you for all consideration.

Sincerely,

A, with out you in my life I would wander around aimlessly and know not what to do, Expedite Fleet Owner.

 

[Turtle]

Dear A... Expedite Fleet Owner.

Clearly, you shouldn't have accepted the Monday pre-dispatch load unless you have time to run it. It's no different than having to turn down a 10AM Saturday load because you don't have the hours. Obviously, 40+ hours of rest is better for you than 34 hours, and you'll just have to adjust your revenue opportunities accordingly. Trust us, we're from the government and we're here to help you. We know what's best for you.

Signed,

Anne S. Ferro,
Administrator of the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration,
Director of Incompetence and Stupidity,
Division of Baby Sitting

 

[moose]

big deal, your tired, frustrated & you might even loose income...big deal, get used to it.
some people out there simply closed their doors do to the new HOS:
U.S. Rep. Rodney Davis questions FMCSA Administrator Anne Ferro - YouTube
the question is NOT how the new HOS effect our life in compare to the old ones, but what level of service can we provide now, & @ what costs. in the OP example, it seams NO additional costs have apply to the team operated truck. no reduce of productivity, & so on. so we can only assumed that the drivers excepted the Mon. morning PU @ the same level of pay they used to before.

 

[ATeam]

As we discuss and complain about the new rules (and I have done my share of complaining) an important point must not be lost. That is, if you are tired, it is your duty and responsibility, to yourself and others, to stop and sleep.

It does not matter if you are loaded or not. It does not matter if you are predispatched or not. It does not matter how your log book hours may or may not be working out. If you are tired, it is your duty and responsibility to stop and sleep.

Time management and sleep management have always been important in expediting and are no less so under the new rules.

 

[mjmsprt40]

As we discuss and complain about the new rules (and I have done my share of complaining) an important point must not be lost. That is, if you are tired, it is your duty and responsibility, to yourself and others, to stop and sleep.

It does not matter if you are loaded or not. It does not matter if you are predispatched or not. It does not matter how your log book hours may or may not be working out. If you are tired, it is your duty and responsibility to stop and sleep.

Time management and sleep management have always been important in expediting and are no less so under the new rules.

+1. The same thing applies to those of us in vans, who do not keep logs nor pay any attention to HOS. When you're tired, you're too dangerous to drive. You have a responsibility to others to get the necessary rest, and anybody who would argue that needs to consider that (a) the load won't get there faster if you wreck because you fell asleep at the wheel and (b) lawsuits being what they are, causing a driver-- even in vans, which don't have to keep logs or watch HOS--to drive when he is way too tired can be a very expensive thing in court, when survivors of the wreck search for deep pockets to sue into oblivion.

You are not Q, of the "Star Trek" series. You need rest, and sooner or later you'll get sleep. Question: will you do it voluntarily at a rest stop/truck stop or will you do it involuntarily, perhaps permanently in the wreck??

 

[Dynamite 1]

so why not do the recap and keep rolling. if you are not out of hours take your required 10 hr breaks and recoup those hours along with the hours left and keep going. how many hours did you both have available after this run and after you both have your 10 hr break in ????????

 

[OntarioVanMan]

so why not do the recap and keep rolling. if you are not out of hours take your required 10 hr breaks and recoup those hours along with the hours left and keep going. how many hours did you both have available after this run and after you both have your 10 hr break in ????????

He said he was tired...dead tired....end of situation....should never have taken that load....dispatch had 40 hours to find a different load they could do...they deliberately put themselves into a situation of conflict and then complain about it....

Yes the rule is garbage/useless as is....but that is what ya got...

 

[Dynamite 1]

he still had from sat morning till late sunday to rest. thats the rest of saturday and most of sunday to sleep. which is more than enough to be recharched. then recap the hours recouped and go get the predispached load. 2 ten hour rest periods should be sufficient if used properly.

 

[moose]

It does not matter if you are loaded or not. It does not matter if you are predispatched or not. It does not matter how your log book hours may or may not be working out. If you are tired, it is your duty and responsibility to stop and sleep..

be carful what you wish for sir., you just crossed the line previously crossed by the Minnesota HWY patrol.
as professional drivers we a have laws in place that protect us. we are either 'legally fatigue' or we are legal to drive.
not even one case was won in court by the ambulance chasers, blaming a CMV driver to be fatigue, while been in full compliance with the HOS. it's a myth.
self restrain is a wise choice we all make.
using wording like 'duty & responsibility' makes us liable.
& also fold the carpet from under the HOS regulations all together.
the HOS scope, as it is for now, is NOT to force us to rest, it is to give us the opportunity to get rested.

 

[moose]

OVM, is wise to bash a new poster that did a heck of a good job with this OP?
I'd say welcome's are in order!, seams like we can all bennefits from encoraging this kind of members to be actively involved with our community. just saying.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

he still had from sat morning till late sunday to rest. thats the rest of saturday and most of sunday to sleep. which is more than enough to be recharched. then recap the hours recouped and go get the predispached load. 2 ten hour rest periods should be sufficient if used properly.

The thing is too...he said he was in a city of plenty of opportunities...but yet he is going to DH so far away?....unless them miles were at 100% of your needed rate.

 

[jjoerger]

so why not do the recap and keep rolling. if you are not out of hours take your required 10 hr breaks and recoup those hours along with the hours left and keep going. how many hours did you both have available after this run and after you both have your 10 hr break in ????????

A 34 hour restart is not mandatory. Do the recap and gain hours from the previous week.

 

[beachbum]

Most here missed this fact,

was not out of hours, but willpower and energy very much so, and my team driver was working on completeing a 10 hour break.
Since the other driver was on a ten hour break already, then by Sunday morning they could have had one driver with a 34 reset and he could have driven to the pickup while the OP could have did his reset.

Therefore, why ***** about the rule when you had a way to reset both drivers by Monday.

I reread the OP and found other problems, by 5 am on Monday he would have had a restart, plus the fact he was the night driver and the day driver would have driven to the load not him.

It doesn't matter if they got the load dispatch on Saturday, Sunday

 

[beachbum]

As we discuss and complain about the new rules (and I have done my share of complaining) an important point must not be lost. That is, if you are tired, it is your duty and responsibility, to yourself and others, to stop and sleep.

It does not matter if you are loaded or not. It does not matter if you are predispatched or not. It does not matter how your log book hours may or may not be working out. If you are tired, it is your duty and responsibility to stop and sleep.

Time management and sleep management have always been important in expediting and are no less so under the new rules.

+2, even like the other van driver said, if your tired then stop, I do that in my van because my life is more important then the freight, period

 

[jjoerger]

Being the night driver means different things to different people.
We switch between Midnight and 0200.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

OVM, is wise to bash a new poster that did a heck of a good job with this OP?
I'd say welcome's are in order!, seams like we can all bennefits from encoraging this kind of members to be actively involved with our community. just saying.

Oh...did I forget to say Welcome?....LOL

I don't really look to see if a person is a new poster or not....it should make no difference in the big picture....

But you could be right....I'll just say welcome and ignore the content of the post...

 

[LDB]

Welcome to the forum. Could you not have shut down where you were and when your partner's 10 hour break was finished (s)he drive to where you needed to be for the Monday pickup?

 

[beachbum]

Welcome to the forum. Could you not have shut down where you were and when your partner's 10 hour break was finished (s)he drive to where you needed to be for the Monday pickup?

remember, hi partner was on a 10 hour break and would have reset by Sunday morning and he was also the day driver. which would mean the night driver would be reset by Monday morning At 5 AM.

 

[LDB]

Yes, but I took it to be just a 10 hour break not a 34 hour restart. I thought perhaps the partner would be the second one to restart not the first.

 

[beachbum]

Yes, but I took it to be just a 10 hour break not a 34 hour restart. I thought perhaps the partner would be the second one to restart not the first.

I read between the lines. Now if the day driver took over to go to a truck stop or the pickup area then I blame them for not just stopping where they were till Sunday AM.