Did I miss the CARB post???

[mrgoodtude]

California has spoken and I will be there in 2 days...
No mo idle lest you pay not $100 but $300...
My APU is not a 2008 model so I guess without a pollution retrofit I will pay a fine as well??
Hypothetically speaking of course I invest 200k in a truck and 8k in some ##### pollution solution so as to sleep unfettered (as most folk do) and I am in compliance no more than a 1980 cabover that belches vile noxious fumes every day up and down the great state of Cali..
I love going west but dayumm..
http://www.arb.ca.gov/homepage.htm
http://www.arb.ca.gov/diesel/diesel.htm
Just me but this is getting outta hand or at least ridiculous.
Mike
"Don't Taze me Bro"

 

[Doggie Daddy]

I would think that the chances of getting caught and fined are pretty slim.DD.

 

[greg334]

It don't matter anyway, the thing is there will be a equilibrium in such people can't run their trucks with things will not get done in the state because of the cost of retrofitting the trucks. The amount of capital to retrofit all the trucks to bring them up to a compliance level that is acceptable will not be there and many people will just park them, take the loss and find other work.

If this California imposes too much restrictions where you or I can't go there regardless what we drive, then the feds will have to step in and either force all trucks to bring up their emission controls (which is already being talked about) or force California just to impose their laws on trucks based in that state. A good law firm can bring to a case to the supreme court based on the fact that California is overstepping their bounds by regulating interstate commerce.

 

[Falligator]

Doesn't California have enough things to worry about ie: Crime, Drugs, and Illegals?. Are they going to form the Idling Police Division?

 

[Jefferson3000]

"A good law firm can bring to a case to the supreme court based on the fact that California is overstepping their bounds by regulating interstate commerce."
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Exactly!!!



Drive Safe!

Jeff

Driver for 15 years
O/O for 13 years
OOIDA #829119

[em]"Let us be thankful for the fools. But for them the rest of us could not succeed." --Mark Twain[/em]

 

[riverrat2000]

posting this everywhere, as I completely believe in the cause

I have read and would/will support a truck shutdown to get changes made in this industry,however as it is being pointed out, the people organizing it are not very organized. The jan 3 to 8th dates are the most common dates i have seen on the net and heard about on the radio.

While I am watching that go on I am asking all drivers that is owner/operators company and union alike to join me in a boycott of California over the CARB rules, anti idling, the mandated emissions rulings that will cost every truck owner tens of thousands of dollars per truck to comply with ect.

Everyone should be concerned with the anti idling laws and fines for they will start the first of the year with more being phased in over the course of the next several years, does anyone think that it is safe for a driver to try to sleep in 100 plus heat and then drive, or the other end 0 degree temps? are they crazy it just isnt safe and if you choose to protect your health by using your heater [and that includes any APU you might own] they will fine the ##### out of you!!
lets see, chance heat stroke or freezing to death or being fined into bankruptcy some choice huh!!

Well I am calling for a third choice EVERYONE boycott CALIFORNIA they have made it plain they do not want us there and that our health and lives are not worth anything so I am asking that we just say no to that state.

This is something that can be done even if a national truck shutdown is doomed to failure because we are all into this together it will effect all of us so I am asking that starting jan 1st and continuing indefinably all truckers just say no to California freight,don't worry if at first it looks like you are alone in this,you are not!!! thats the beauty of this, it can keep adding new people and grow for as long as that state sees fit to jeopardize our health and well being.

Now if we cannot get together on something that has the potential to kill each and everyone of us, then we are really lost as an industry and as a nation of free people, this is an injustice that must be made right!!!

So am I talking to an empty room or are there people willing to stand with me on this and spread the word far and wide and get this wrong righted!!!

 

[x06col]

You are correct in your thinking. However, how tuff is it gonna be when the mentality is..... if you have an ole dog in the truck, it'll be ok to idle (meaning it's life is of more value than yours) seems someone got there before you, and you have a lot of other agendas to climb over, before you get yours heard. Unfortuneate.

 

[TeamCaffee]

The difference to me about having a dog in the truck is the dog is stuck in the truck. The driver can open the door and get out or make a decision to move the truck. Most dogs I know do not open doors nor do they drive. They just have to sit there and hope who ever put them in the truck will open that door and at least let them out and give them a fighting chance to live.

That to me does not meat a dogs life is worth more then a drivers. Heck look at the jails? They always have heating and cooling as the inmates have no control over their environment except being dumb enough to do something to get put there.

 

[ATeam]

From Land Line Magazine

"Also on Jan. 1, 2008, CARB will begin enforcing a ban on diesel-powered APUs for trucks with 2007 or later model year engines. Model years 2007 and later will, however, be allowed to use diesel-powered APUs that have been retrofitted with a CARB-approved DPF filter. 2007 model year engines actually emit less diesel particulate than APUs."

Full article:

http://www.landlinemag.com/todays_news/Daily/2007/Dec07/122407/122807-01.htm

From the CARB site:

"For trucks equipped with 2006 and older engines, any California or federally certified diesel-fueled APS or fuel-fired heater may be used."

Links:

http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/truck-idling/truck-idling.htm#OVERVIEW

http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/truck-idling/factsheet.pdf

We are not there yet, but I can see the day coming when Diane and I may feel the need to impose a California surcharge on freight picking up in or delivering to California.

It might be something like an additional amount of money per load (say $100) that would help offset the costs of California-mandated equipment that other states do not require.

Such a charge could be implemented at the one-truck level and made on a per-load basis; simply by telling dispatch that if our truck is needed to haul a load to CA, the price is the money originally offered for the load, plus the surcharge we require or CA loads.

 

[Tennesseahawk]

Well... they can watch me particulate in other states. I won't go where I'm not wanted. Let their businesses take it up with them.

-A bore is a person who opens his mouth and puts his feats in it. - Henry Ford

 

[jaminjim]

Well the good news is that buses carrying the people up from the border can still idle.

 

[nightcreacher]

I was in a motel in los angles 4 weeks ago,there were 3 trucks that were there,idled all week end ,and the drivers were in a room.@ 1 gal per hour and $3.60 per gal.these were rich truck drivers.and no,they didnt have animals in truck

 

[davekc]

Ok...I give up. Why would they idle their trucks while they are in a motel room? Even if money was no object, I wouldn't see the point.
Can't say I have ever seen that unless it was in the winter or it was a reefer running. You ruled out pets in the truck.










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[greg334]

>Ok...I give up. Why would they idle their trucks while they
>are in a motel room? Even if money was no object, I wouldn't
>see the point.
>Can't say I have ever seen that unless it was in the winter
>or it was a reefer running. You ruled out pets in the truck.

Dave,
I get this 'stuff' from these real tough truck drivers - I haven't shut down my truck for 'X' months other then to change the oil. My theory is that these people think that shutting the engine down is a sign of weakness.

 

[chetjester]

I asked Jeff Jensen in a voice mail to get the true scoop on this and write an article for all of us. I was under the impression that trucks were required to automatically turn off after 5 minutes of idling, which is something you do through the ECM.

Recently I've been to CA twice. They were good loads going in and good loads coming out. I picked up one load the same day I delivered a load. Dispatch routed me through El Paso, and I picked up a load there as I passed through. I like CA. But my truck and generator won't pass, therefore it will probably be a long time before I get in there again. Unless I'm delivering and picking up the same day. But, I have to have the truck reprogrammed first, I think.

Chet Merithew
The Prodigal Son of A. Blair
Truck #81105
OOIDA #828583

 

[greg334]

Chet
I think what has been happening is not an ECM reprogramming thing outside of the timer feature for shutdown but a retrofit of the particle filters and cleaning system that is required for the particle filters.

I found one company that is working on a 'kit' for this but when I spoke to Kubota, Cat and JD a while ago, they indicated that they will not be able to fit their engines with the proper compliant emissions system without having the owner of the engine go to an electronic injection system, hence the reason many of the 2002 and older reefer units will not be allowed in California.

The other problem is with the stupid EPA/CARB's certification process and the thing buried in the regs saying that not anyone person can retrofit the engine but has to be 'trained' - my God, trained to bolt on a muffler and pipes?

 

[chetjester]

I got the part about the retrofit. I was pulling reefer for a company near where I live for 6 months and their reefers would not qualify for CA. They were just going to stop going there.

I thought I had heard on one of the XM trucking show that all trucks driving in CA that didn't qualify for CARB would be required to program the trucks to "turn off" after 5 minutes idling. That reefer company I worked for had our engines shut off after 12 minutes unless we overrode it by pressing down on the clutch when the "shutdown" light began flashing.

So, I figured CA was going to check trucks to ensure they would shut down since they probably don't trust the driver.

Chet Merithew
The Prodigal Son of A. Blair
Truck #81105
OOIDA #828583

 

[cheri1122]

I've searched the CARB site till my eyes cross, and one question remains. It says: "Engines that are model year 2006 or earlier may use any California or Federally certified APU's" but does not say how to determine, or obtain certification. Anyone know about certification?

 

[greg334]

Yea Cheri, I have some of the info. For some reason some of this is protected better then information at the CIA.

I called the EPA center here in Ann Arbor and went down there to talk about truck emissions and see how I can get some things into the testing programs they have. After sending a few hours there, they gave me a bunch of manuals and contacts for the states which included a contact over at some califony agency who sent me an updated certification process.

To this day I can not find a word of what is in the manuals and the updates on any websites and before I got to the right person at the EPA, even the EPA has been not clear on how I can get my after market products tested and certified so I can make millions retrofitting APUs.