DENTON,TEXAS

whitewolf53

Expert Expediter
Just dropped off at the Peterbilt plant here in Denton,Tx.
Got LUCKY for a sunday,wasn't due till noon tommorrow.
Now sitting at the T/A I-35 exit 471 east side of truck stop.
Driving a Bolt Express D unit.
If any members in the area,stop by and say HELLO.
I will spring for the coffee.

Mike
Whitewolf 53

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P.S. HEY GREG 334: I THINK THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUOTE IS ADOLPH HITLER
 

cliffn

Expert Expediter
Mike: I work for a different company but thought I would give you a shout anyway...

Just saw your message and it is now Monday afternoon. Anyway, if you are still at the TA I would encourage you to head south, at the I35/35W split, stay on 35W about twenty more miles to mm 65. On the east side of the interstate you will find a Pilot and more importantly, Cabela's across the street.

There is a ton of stuff to see at Cabela's if you have time and they have several ACRES of truck and RV parking.

Great place if you have a little time on your hands.

We have a pickup to make and head for Memphis.

Good luck.

Cliff :) :) :)
 

whitewolf53

Expert Expediter
Thanks for the info Cliff,they asked me if i wanted to deadhead to OKC or Fort Smith,i told them no.Told them i would just stay here and if they found me anything in those citys then i would deadhead there,but i was not going to go there and SIT.

Mike
whitewolf 53
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ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
Good thinking! A mistake newbies sometimes make is to immediately deadhead to the express center or area your carrier suggests. Our rule of thumb is to stay put 24 hours to see what might bubble up where you are. Then move if you have to. Otherwise, you may end up driving hundreds of miles one way, only to return to your starting point to pick up a load.
 

whitewolf53

Expert Expediter
>Good thinking! A mistake newbies sometimes make is to
>immediately deadhead to the express center or area your
>carrier suggests. Our rule of thumb is to stay put 24 hours
>to see what might bubble up where you are. Then move if you
>have to. Otherwise, you may end up driving hundreds of miles
>one way, only to return to your starting point to pick up a
>load.

And stay put i did,THANK GOD.Got a load out of Dallas yesterday heading to NorfolK,Va. A very nice way to start my week.
DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHERE THE FORD PLANT IS THERE??????

Mike
Whitewolf 53

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ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
I envy you. We delivered in Laredo Monday morning. Not being predispatched, we did our standard 24-hour wait in place. Nothing. Drove north to San Antonio. Waited another day. Nothing. Drove to Houston. It's early-evening Thursday and we're still waiting.

We've been checking the boards in all Texas express centers except El Paso. It's been slow for FedEx here. That is unusual for us. With our reefer and lift-gate and White Glove equipment, we've seldom had trouble getting out of Texas, but this time, the days tick by.

We have not been turning down loads. None have been offered. Tick, tock, tick, tock,....

Expediter wannabees take note. It does not matter how smart you try to be in this business, or how much equipment you have. You're gonna get marooned once in a while.

My wife and I are discussing now, Who is Gilligan and who is the Skipper?
 

highway star

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
You know things are not good when a team in a D-unit sit. My friends who team at Landstar sat in North Carolina the whole week last week. I've never been this slow this time of year.

I always thought Maryann was way cuter than Ginger.
 

Tennesseahawk

Veteran Expediter
Texas and California are the only two conceivable places I could see to sit for a week. Places are usually dead for a week at a time, so moving from somewhere like NC would be a no-brainer after 3 days.

We've sat in TX for a week, and it's not fun! After this last time down there, my nephew was getting nervous after being there a day and a half, although we were also there Sunday, which does not count. I told him not to sweat it, as things were moving in TX... it's all about the right price. Sure enough, Tues afternoon we were loaded. Only thing to sweat for was the heat! But I learned from our week in San Antonio... if the loads aren't coming out of TX, we aren't going in.

That reminds me... I haven't been to CA since 98 ;)
 

tec1959

Expert Expediter
ATEAM Hi when is was in a "DR" unit and got stuck in laredo,I'd head to dallas,If dallas was full i'd head to ElPaso because with a reefer and lift gate you could go to the west or east or to the north from ElPaso.They use to have alot of HVP loads coming out of Elpaso,But thats been awhile since i've been there...
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
With a reefer, I agree that there is a better chance in Dallas than Laredo. This gives the reason as to why it is better to find a carrier where you can obtain your own frieght. There has been alot of frieght out of all the areas mentioned, except not all pays expedited rates. I would put two loads on the truck and come out at a decent rate. Yes, alittle more work, but it beats sitting for days and going broke.
Alot of loads came out of Laredo and Eagle Pass this week going to MI and OH.
If in Houston, Fedex does some loads on the east end of town, namely Pasedena, ChannelView, and Beaumont.










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ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
Freight philosophy varies from driver to driver and company to company. The saying, "One man's trash is another man's treasure." applies to expediting as well.

Depending on the kind of freight you want to run and how you want to configure your truck and life on the road, freight options exist to accomodate most people.

Yes, we've been sitting for a week (almost). No, we don't like it. And yes, we've watched thousands of loaded trucks leave from Laredo and San Antonio and drive by our sitting and empty truck.

It is also true that we've run just three loads month to date and we've probably earned more money in that time than most of the team-driven trucks we've seen drive by, even with the idle days we've had.

Sure, we could drive for a carrier that allows you to book your own loads and double up two batches of cheap freight to get you profitably out of Texas if things are slow. We choose not to because we're comfortable with FedEx's dispatch system (including irrating Qualcomm messages) and corporate culture (we're a numbers, not a people), and because we know of no other place in the expedting industry where we can earn more money and have more fun than we do at FedEx (we've checked).

Let me quickly add, that is not going to be true for all teams. Some teams don't want to go to New York City. Some won't or can't enter Canada. Some don't want the scrutiny that comes with having a security clearance. Some won't carry HAZMAT loads. Some hate the idea of wearing a uniform. Etc.

As I said, freight philosophy varies from driver to driver, as do comfort levels with various carriers. For someone who does not want to go to Canada, a no-Canada carrier is ideal. Don't like wearing uniforms? Find a carrier that has no problem with your blue jeans. Etc. In other words, find the carrier that best matches you.

DaveKC said, "This gives the reason as to why it is better to find a carrier where you can obtain your own frieght." If you are considering one fact in isolation, he may be right. But real world, many factors enter into one's carrier and freight decisions.

I'm coming to belive more and more that there is no such thing as the best of anything in expediting. Owner operaters are not "better" than fleet drivers. Carriers that allow you to book your own freight are not "better" than those that don't. Truck owners with their own authority are not "better" than truck owners who lease out their equipment. Fleet owners are not "better" than owner/operators or fleet drivers. And teams in big trucks who gross over $200,000 a year are not "better" than solo drivers in vans who gross $60,000 or less.

It's not about being better and outperforming others. It's about being who you are and achieving the goals and lifestyle you set for yourself.
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
Since it is an investment and a business, it would seem to be an advantage to take the path that provides the most options. Even more so if the carrier can't keep you moving. You are correct, it isn't a issue of proving one is a better plan than the other, just which one is the most flexible and profitable. If someone is making a huge investment in equipment, that is likely to be of interest to them.
Those two "cheap" loads will pay more than a standard expedite reefer load, but you do have an extra pickup and drop to contend with.
Flowery promises from a carrier mean nothing if your truck isn't moving.
3 runs in 14 days and you are out earning most teams? I would have to question that one.
Profit aside and your having fun...go for it.




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jaminjim

Veteran Expediter
I think this one might be in that history of expediting, Phil and Dave disagreeing without one jab. Keep at it men agree to disagree and talk about the options.

We are in Dallas, they are saying five loads a day, we'll see.
 

LDB

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I was in Norfolk a couple days ago. I parked overnite at exit 3 off 264 on the southwest side of Portsmouth. There's a Lowe's and a really nice grocery store and several food places. If you're into games there's an EB games store. I picked up a couple of dvd's they had.

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ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
Five loads a day out of Dallas sounds about right and matches what we have seen on the boards in the time we've been here. But some of them have been E loads. When we arrived in Houston yesterday, we were the third of three trucks on the board. The first two were dispatched out under load. We were left sitting with no freight.

With the benefit of hindsight, that's our own d#### fault. We left Laredo on Tuesday, not for Houston or Dallas, but for San Antonio. San Antonio had no activity and we knew it. Houston and Dallas did, and we knew that too. But driving to San Antonio took us closer to where some of our relatives live and we have a great time when we visit them. Our four young nephews are a special joy.

We reasoned (unwisely) that San Antonio was a shorter drive so deadhead expense would be lower. San Antonio also remained within striking distance of Laredo, so if freight bubbled up there, we could return. We further reasoned that if we ended up sitting another day or getting dispatched on a load that picks up later, we would have the chance to swing by for a family visit.

As things turned out, our desire to visit family clouded our judgement on freight. All going to San Antonio did was put us close to two dead express centers, Laredo and San Antonio. We knew there was activity in Houston and Dallas but went to where the freight wasn't instead. Had we gone to Houston from Laredo, we'd have been running again by Wednesday at the latest.

We are dispatched now on a weekend run. We'll be back in the freight lanes on Monday morning. When we add in the self-imposed deadhead we did to go to San Antonio and then Houston, the load won't pay great per mile, but it gets us out of Texas.

In short, the problem was not that FedEx freight was not moving out of Texas. It was that it was not moving out of Laredo and San Antonio and we made a mistake choosing San Antonio.

Regarding DaveKC's questioning my month-to-date income claim, I do not make claims that I cannot substantiate.

Our fleet owner currently has 6 White Glove trucks on the road. He gives his drivers access to his info on the FedEx web site so all of us can see how the others are doing. As of April 13, our three loads made us the number 3 truck in April, month to date, in gross revenue terms. Others had hauled as many as 7 loads in the same period. We had hauled the least number of loads.

While exceptions can be found, in general, WG trucks earn more per mile, and more per month, than most other trucks on the road and most other expediting trucks of the same type. When I made my claim, I reasoned that if we were in the top half of a 6-truck WG fleet and the rest of the fleet had been running, we've also grossed more month to date than most of the trucks we saw running loaded out of Laredo and San Antonio.

I could shortcut this by stating our revenue number, and could easily substantiate that number with our Form 1099s. But the last time I did that, a number of self-appointed success police rose with loud voices to say either it is not possible to make that kind of money or that most people should not expect to do so.

Lesson learned. I'll leave it to Forum members to judge the meaning of my production claims, and the applicability of our curcumstances to theirs, but I will not let a challenge to the accuracy of my statements (and thus my integrity) go unanswered.

If I was trying to convince the world we're doing fantastic at all times, I would not write about nearly a full week of idle time and our mistakes, would I? I'm just telling it like it is for us, a WG team that drives as we do. I do so in hopes of giving expediter wannabees a view into how it is for SOME OF US on the road.

It would be refreshing and more informative for readers if my detractors talked more about how it is for them on the road instead of picking away at the FACTS and REAL-LIFE experiences I relate.
 

jaminjim

Veteran Expediter
Did I speak to soon? I don't think Dave was questioning your integerty at all. More along the line of your impression that the rest of the teams out here are running less than normal. I would venture to say that the average team for the month has run at least a run every other day. So you would need to more than double our rate per mile. in order to out perform us. While your rate per mile is higher than mine I would be surprised if it was more than double mine.
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
Perhaps I over-reacted. I'm not without character faults. But I stand by my claim, not that my production is double yours, but that month to date, we likely made more money than most (over half) of the trucks we saw running loaded out of Laredo and San Antonio...both cheap freight centers.
 

Tennesseahawk

Veteran Expediter
I agree. Dave wasn't questioning anything other than a seemingly pompous statement. If Ateam means he's made more off of three loads than most teams, is that FXCC teams or expediting teams in general? If it's FXCC teams, I'd say they aren't so hot. If it's general, I'd say stick to FXCC, you don't know what you're talking about.

Another thing. How do you know Dave's talking about cheap freight? Cheap freight is most LTL and freight where ppl want something for nothing. When you get into an area where (like Laredo) trucks outnumber the freight often, sometimes you have to bid lower to move out of the area. I won't take $1/mi runs, but I'll take my normal rate without FSC. I don't concider that cheap, but that's what we got out of Laredo last time we were there. Supply and demand... it's the American way. You can't expect your butt to be kissed when other ppl are leaving you in the Texas wind.
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
Jammin Jim
You assumption is correct. It isn't questioning someones integrity, but rather a broad brushed statement. As you said, even a truck running every other day would out perform a WG truck with three loads in the same period. You also right in your assumption that a WG truck is not running at twice the rate.
I would wonder how one knows the numbers and miles of other trucks to draw that comparison?
You would post pretty good numbers relative to a dry van if you were running coast to coast. Not to likely in this case if you are sitting in TX and had been off a week already.
But possible
No real need for numbers as common sense is a more logical approach.






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ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
This thread is rapidly going south. Perhaps it should be deleted or locked. I'm done with it. No more posts here from me. Anyone who wishes can have the last words.
 
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