Democrats win Wisconsin recall primaries

[Tennesseahawk]

I'm warnin ya, Turtle. I'm warnin ya! If you keep this up...

 

[Turtle]

That's not really on-topic either, now is it?

 

[witness23]

Thanks for telling me what I know. But you forgot the part that I also know that just because a tactic is legal and precedented doesn't make it Democracy at its finest.

Politics can be ugly.

Leaving the state to avoid the vote was absolutely a temper tantrum. Democrats didn't want that legislation to pass, they wanted to get their way, and they wanted to get it really, really badly.

If you say so It didn't have ANYTHING to do with them fighting for the tens of thousands of their constituents that were protesting on the capitol building. It was just a hissy-fit.

Liberals think that if they want it badly enough, then they should have it.

Liberals, Conservatives, Independents, Union Workers, Corporations, Individuals, You, Me, Them, etc, etc.......

That's all the justification they need. Leaving the state was not at all unlike a 3-year old going all, "OK then, I'll show you!" Whining at its best.

Yeah, that's exactly what it was like.

No, the system isn't working, in Wisconsin or anywhere else. Legislatures at both state and federal levels are basically nothing more than children fighting on the playground.

Why do you hate democracy so much?

Ah, OK, thanks. So your point of this was to report the news, using biased a biased news source, in the Soapbox. Got it.

Because the story quoted a pro-union representive, it's a biased story? I googled the "Wisconsin Primaries" and that was the first link that came up. I'll find another story from Fox or something so I appear to be "Fair and Balanced", how's that? Quit your whining already.

Look man, keep your personal comments and ad hominem pot shots to yourself.

Someone needs to take their own advice.

Well I'm sorry that you're sorry. The Republicans who called for a quorum instead of a real vote, the Democrats who left the state to avoid it, and the Democrats now trying to regain power by exacting revenge, it's all childish, dirty politics, not our Democracy at work.

I respectfully disagree.

It it pathetic because it's Republicans who did it?

No.......it's pathetic because they thought it would work, and in the meantime they ended up costing the tax-payers $500,000.00. Not real smart if you are running on the platform of fiscal conservativeness. I could care less that they used the strategy, it's legal, I am just pointing out that it wasn't a very smart one and they will more than likely suffer quite a bit of blowback for implenting it. Not what you really want when you're already suffering a poor public opinion of the job your doing (or not doing).

I don't understand how you can call it pathetic when it's nothing more than a legal, precedented example of Democracy at work.

Hey.......look above.

You're making my case for me. Thanks.

No I'm not, but your welcome.

Anyone who rad the article you posted shouldn't be wondering that.

Just in case.

Biased statements to make something appear differently or slanted in weight to favor one side or the other is the very definition of spin. The reason for the spin is the contempt.

I guess, I didn't post the article because it had some obscure biased statement in it. I posted it to update those in the soapbox that 6 Democrats had won their recall primaries.

Quit trolling and being confrontational.

The Superturtle comment and graphic above is an example of a sardonic attack on a member of the forum (me) and is off-topic. I caution you to stick to the issues and to stop being confrontational.

I personally thought the superturtle graphic was pretty cool. Actually I thought you would thank me for finding such a cool figurine so that you might be able to find it so you can place it on your dashboard. Keep up the good work Mr. Moderator.

 

[Turtle]

If you say so It didn't have ANYTHING to do with them fighting for the tens of thousands of their constituents that were protesting on the capitol building. It was just a hissy-fit.

Correct. That's exactly what it was. So were the protests. Many of the protesters voted for a balanced budget, but when it came down to them having to be negatively effected, they had a hissy fit. They want to have their cake and eat it, too. They call for tough decisions and hard choices, as long as it doesn't affect them.

Liberals, Conservatives, Independents, Union Workers, Corporations, Individuals, You, Me, Them, etc, etc.......

No, not really. It's human nature to want something, and want it really, really badly, but it's primarily liberals (and little children, not coincidentally) who think that solely because they want it, that's all the justification necessary for them to be able to have it. It's pure emotion and instant gratification, and most liberal issues are based on that very premise.

Yeah, that's exactly what it was like.

So we are in agreement.

Why do you hate democracy so much?

When did you stop beating your wife?

Because the story quoted a pro-union representive, it's a biased story?

No, it's biased because it contains biased opinion and was written with a biased slant.

Quit your whining already.

That's a troll, it has no busieness in this thread, and it's going to get you in trouble if you keep it up. It's a personal shot at me because I don't agree with you.

Someone needs to take their own advice.

I'm not perfect and will slip up, but by and large I stick to the issues, and you know it. "Look man, I know you have that perpetual hard on for me, but get real," has absolutely nothing to do with this issues or my comments about them, and by making that statement, you are moving from the issues to the personal.

No.......it's pathetic because they thought it would work, and in the meantime they ended up costing the tax-payers $500,000.00.

Keep in mind that it was the Democrats who called for and set up the recall voting, not the Republicans. Who's on the hook for that half a mil? Sure, if the Republicans had rolled over and played dead, one less vote would have had to be taken, saving that $500,000, but it's the Democrats who caused that expenditure to happen.

I personally thought the superturtle graphic was pretty cool.

Of that I'm quite sure, especially since it's been used in these forums before.

Actually I thought you would thank me for finding such a cool figurine so that you might be able to find it so you can place it on your dashboard.

One, why would you think that considering the topic is not cool turtle graphics, but rather the Wisconsin legislature and their recall primaries? Two, you don't seem very sincere. In any case, regardless of how cool you think the graphic might be, it's still sardonic in context and is off-topic, and my comments regarding it stand.

Keep up the good work Mr. Moderator.

Me being a moderator has nothing to do with my comments in this thread, nor have I performed any moderating tasks in this thread. So why bring up my job performance as a moderator? It is because you are trying to turn deflect the off-topic nature of your post back onto me? (which is typical), or you are saying that as sarcasm to invoke an emotional response from me? (equally typical), or because you are evading the fact that you cannot communicate here for any length of time without being personally confrontational?

Whatever the reasons, it does not matter at this point. If you want to talk about these primary votes and what may or may not have prompted them, fine. If you want to go off-topic and get person, it won't go well.

 

[witness23]

Correct. That's exactly what it was. So were the protests. Many of the protesters voted for a balanced budget, but when it came down to them having to be negatively effected, they had a hissy fit. They want to have their cake and eat it, too. They call for tough decisions and hard choices, as long as it doesn't affect them.

turtle, you really aren't this imperceptive are you? The budget was balanced. Adding to the bill that directly restricts collective bargaining has nothing to do with balancing the budget. It was all about balancing the budget and the unions agreed to concessions that balanced the budget. I don't need to explain this to you, you know exactly what it's about, you're just being combative.

No, not really. It's human nature to want something, and want it really, really badly, but it's primarily liberals (and little children, not coincidentally) who think that solely because they want it, that's all the justification necessary for them to be able to have it. It's pure emotion and instant gratification, and most liberal issues are based on that very premise.

Nice generalization there kid.

So we are in agreement.

If you say so.

When did you stop beating your wife?

Touche. Really though, you are starting to sound like you don't like Democracy. Maybe you're just fed up with it?

No, it's biased because it contains biased opinion and was written with a biased slant.

Again, I Googled "Wisconsin recall primaries" and the first link was from the Washington Post. Go ahead try it, see what comes up for ya. Here's an article from Reuter's, let me know what you think of that one.

That's a troll, it has no busieness in this thread, and it's going to get you in trouble if you keep it up. It's a personal shot at me because I don't agree with you.

Here's a spoonfull of sugar to help that medicine go down.

I'm not perfect and will slip up, but by and large I stick to the issues, and you know it.

Until you see a post from me and you just get that funny feeling in your pants.

"Look man, I know you have that perpetual hard on for me, but get real," has absolutely nothing to do with this issues or my comments about them, and by making that statement, you are moving from the issues to the personal.

You're doing a great job Mr. Moderator.

Keep in mind that it was the Democrats who called for and set up the recall voting, not the Republicans. Who's on the hook for that half a mil? Sure, if the Republicans had rolled over and played dead, one less vote would have had to be taken, saving that $500,000, but it's the Democrats who caused that expenditure to happen.

Keep in mind that there were approximately 70,000 protesters on any given day that had some say in the matter also. In your mind they don't count because they were just a bunch of spoiled brats throwing a hissy-fit.

I just think it's ironic that the Republicans thought using that tactic would be effective. All it did was buy them some time, that's it. Being a fiscal conservative, I would think that they would've thought twice before enacting such a strategy.

One, why would you think that considering the topic is not cool turtle graphics, but rather the Wisconsin legislature and their recall primaries? Two, you don't seem very sincere. In any case, regardless of how cool you think the graphic might be, it's still sardonic in context and is off-topic, and my comments regarding it stand.

geesh.....lighten' up Francis.

Me being a moderator has nothing to do with my comments in this thread, nor have I performed any moderating tasks in this thread. So why bring up my job performance as a moderator? It is because you are trying to turn deflect the off-topic nature of your post back onto me? (which is typical), or you are saying that as sarcasm to invoke an emotional response from me? (equally typical), or because you are evading the fact that you cannot communicate here for any length of time without being personally confrontational?

Man, don't be so touchy.

Whatever the reasons, it does not matter at this point. If you want to talk about these primary votes and what may or may not have prompted them, fine. If you want to go off-topic and get person, it won't go well.

Are you threatening me?

 

[tbubster]

AT its peak the protesters were numbered upwards of 125,000,of which over half of them were bused in from other states by the unions.Only liberals belive that 60,000 make the majority of 5 million plus.

It was legal for the democrats to run and hide instead of doing the job they got elected to do.It was a good thing.
It was legal for the republicans to fight to keep control of the state senate,so they did and its a bad thing. gotta love the left

 

[witness23]

It was legal for the democrats to run and hide instead of doing the job they got elected to do.It was a good thing. It was legal for the republicans to fight to keep control of the state senate,so they did and its a bad thing. gotta love the left

It didn't say it was a bad thing, I said it wasn't a wise choice. Here.....this say's it all

 

[witness23]

Keep your hands off that one Ragman, it's mine.

Was that a good impression of a liberal?

 

[Tennesseahawk]

That's not really on-topic either, now is it?

No... but it had to be said!

 

[Turtle]

Are you threatening me?

Nope. It's a prediction.

 

[Ragman]

Keep your hands off that one Ragman, it's mine.

Was that a good impression of a liberal?

I couldn't have said it better!

 

[Tennesseahawk]

I couldn't have said it better!

Oooh! Oooh! I have some better ones, Mr Kahter!

"Gimme gimme gimme! Mine mine mine! Hopenchange! Hopenchange!"

Here's another one:
"Hey government! Stay out of my bedroom! Btw... can you pay for my AIDS medication?"

And yet another one:
"I HATE RICH PEOPLE! Except for the elitists I elect to rule over me."

And who can forget this one?:
"INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS!"
"YAY!"
"PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY!"
"BOO!"

 

[Ragman]

Oooh! Oooh! I have some better ones, Mr Kahter!

"Gimme gimme gimme! Mine mine mine! Hopenchange! Hopenchange!"

Here's another one:
"Hey government! Stay out of my bedroom! Btw... can you pay for my AIDS medication?"

And yet another one:
"I HATE RICH PEOPLE! Except for the elitists I elect to rule over me."

And who can forget this one?:
"INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS!"
"YAY!"
"PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY!"
"BOO!"

At least we live in America where we can disagree and not resort to the kind of crap in other places.

God! I am having fun!

 

[Tennesseahawk]

At least we live in America where we can disagree and not resort to the kind of crap in other places.

God! I am having fun!

That's the problem tho. Liberals (at least the educated ones) want the US to emulate Europe. That's the biggest difference between liberals and conservatives, IMO. Liberals the US in some global politic (share the wealth socialism). Conservatives want the US to be sovereign, and basically say "SCREW YOU!" to other countries.

 

[chefdennis]

Originally Posted by Ragman

At least we live in America where we can disagree and not resort to the kind of crap in other places.

Describe "the kind if "crap" in other places"...

Because if you are refering to the riots in the streets....while not on the same scale, if you think those aren't "starting" here, you need to get out more....

And as the ecoomy continues to take a crap, the dollar continues to e printed like and other paper, unemployment continues to go up, and inflation continues as food prices go up....it will get considerably worse....we will see the type of riots you see elsewhere...