Democrats win Wisconsin recall primaries

[witness23]

Democracy at its finest. When you campaign on balancing the budget and fiscal conservativeness and then overreach and try to bust the union, our system shows that it works. Just in case you forgot, the public sector workers agreed to pay more into their health care and pensions to balance the budget, but that's not what Gov. Walker wanted, he wants to get rid of the unions, period. If that's what you want and that is your intention, then campaign on that platform.

What's makes this situation even more pathetic, the so called fiscal conservatives put up fake candidates (Republicans running as Democrats), which is a tactic used at times, but you have to question why in such hard times the Republicans would do such a thing, especially when this will end up costing the taxpayers $500,000 Way to go Republicans Scott Walker......your next.

link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...sin-primaries/2011/07/12/gIQAyOzfBI_blog.html

Democrats win Wisconsin recall primaries
Posted at 11:35 PM ET, 07/12/2011

By Rachel Weiner

All six Wisconsin Democrats won their recall primaries today, easily fending off challenges from “protest” candidates put forward by Republicans to delay the general elections.

All six official Democrats have been projected as winners by the Associated Press. Only one race was at all close, the one between schoolteacher Shelly Moore (D) and 2010 Republican Assembly candidate Issac Weix in the primary to take on Sen. Sheila Harsdorf. Every other Democrat is projected to win by double-digits.

After recall elections were triggered against six Republican state senators over the state’s contentious collective bargaining law, Republicans launched “protest” candidates in each primary to give their incumbents more time to campaign. The general elections were pushed back from today to Aug. 9.

“The voters of Wisconsin have rejected the Republicans’ dirty tricks, despite their best efforts to turn out voters in these primaries for fake candidates,” said Democratic Party spokeswoman Gillian Morris.

In the race to take on Sen. Robert Cowles, former Brown County executive Nancy Nusbaum defeated retired GOP assemblyman Otto Junkerman. In the race to take on Sen. Alberta Darling, state Rep. Sandy Pasch (D) defeated Gladys Huber. In the race to take on Sen. Dan Kapanke, state Rep. Jennifer Schilling defeated young Republican activist James Smith. In the race to take on Sen. Randy Hopper, Deputy Oshkosh Mayor Jessica King (D) defeated retiree John Buckstaff. In the race to take on Sen. Luther Olsen, state Rep. Fred Clark (D) defeated Rollin Church.

Several Republican candidates and local parties were at least hoping for an upset. Wisconsin has open primaries, so it was possible for Republicans to vote for the “protest” candidates in these races. But the state GOP maintained from the outset of the recalls that the only purpose of the “protest” challenges was to delay — not prevent — a race.

“Now that self-proclaimed fiscal conservatives have set $500,000 of taxpayer money on fire in fake primaries that served no purpose beyond their ‘do-anything’ quest to maintain power, voters will have a chance to put the brakes on Scott Walker and his extreme agenda in legitimate elections on August 9th,” said Kelly Steele, a spokesman for the pro-union PAC We Are Wisconsin, in a statement.

Three Democratic state senators also face recalls this summer. Next Tuesday is the general election against state Sen. Dave Hansen (D) and Republican primaries to take on Democratic state Sens. Robert Wirch and Dave Hansen. If Democrats net three wins, they will take back the state Senate.

 

[greg334]

Well the problem I have is the escaping to prevent a vote thing. In their case, I think their inability to represent the voters who put them in office was the problem by leaving the state. I would not be happy with my rep or senator who left the state to prevent any vote to take place, it is there job to represent me, not the union or a source of money.

The other issue is government workers don't deserve and should never have union representation with the exception of the cops and fire fighters - it is their job to many times work against public and political opinion and can be targeted.

 

[paullud]

So you are using commentators from a blog now to prove your point, hang on I will be right back with an article that says the Democrats bought the seats back and rigged the whole thing.

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[paullud]

Wow I was just joking before but here you go, I am sure it is based in as much fact as the one you posted.

http://m.wiscnews.com/wisconsindell...cle_31f87dc0-93a4-11e0-bff5-001cc4c03286.html

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[witness23]

So you are using commentators from a blog now to prove your point, hang on I will be right back with an article that says the Democrats bought the seats back and rigged the whole thing.

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Out of curiosity, what point do you think I am trying to make?

 

[witness23]

So you are using commentators from a blog now to prove your point, hang on I will be right back with an article that says the Democrats bought the seats back and rigged the whole thing.

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Originally posted by witness23
which is a tactic used at times

Do you think my reasoning for posting this article was about the fake candidates?

 

[witness23]

Wow I was just joking before but here you go, I am sure it is based in as much fact as the one you posted.

Democrats attempt to rig recalls foiled

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The fact that all six Wisconsin Democrats won their recall primaries?

Seriously, what's your point?

 

[witness23]

Out of curiosity, what point do you think I am trying to make?

You got anything for me pallud? Anything?

 

[paullud]

The fact that all six Wisconsin Democrats won their recall primaries?

Seriously, what's your point?

And your point is? They had won them before, its Wisconsin, who cares other than liberals trying to prove this is what America wants, again its Wisconsin. How is your mom coming with that Tang?

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[tbubster]

they just went through this with a judge up there.what was it that happend.the AP said that the union backed judge had won.the liberals were dancing in the streets.then what happend the offical results came in and the repbulican back judge won by more then 7500 votes a land slide when you look at voter turn out.thats what happens when you count your chickens befor they hatch!!

 

[Turtle]

Out of curiosity, what point do you think I am trying to make?

It's kind of hart to tell, frankly. You say Democracy at its finest, but if anything it's Democracy at its worst. Democrats are mad at the Republicans in general because too many Republicans had the audacity to get themselves elected in the first place, thereby giving them control of the statehouse. Now the Democrats are seething mad at the Republicans who voted for the anti-union measures. So now, in the first of a series of special recall elections, the Democrats won a preliminary victory in a bid to just up and unseat Republican lawmakers who voted for the anti-union law. Yeah, the system works alright.

Seriously, what's your point?

Exactly. Seriously, what's your point?

Do you think my reasoning for posting this article was about the fake candidates?

No, not at all. I think your reasoning for posting this article was to incite an emotional response (Democracy at its finest.... [misleading]... What's makes this situation even more pathetic... [partisan baiting that furthers the spin of a union-PAC spokesperson]...you have to question why in such hard times the Republicans would do such a thing... [when you really don't have to question it, since it's Democracy at its finest, remember?]).

"“Now that self-proclaimed fiscal conservatives have set $500,000 of taxpayer money on fire in fake primaries that served no purpose beyond their ‘do-anything’ quest to maintain power..." which is just hilarious spin, since it's the Democrats who set this whole thing up in the first place, in order to regain and maintain power.

You got anything for me pallud? Anything?

Well, no, that's not the least bit confrontational, now is it? <snort>

 

[witness23]

SUPER TURTLE TO THE RESCUE!!!!

 

[greg334]

So you are using commentators from a blog now to prove your point, hang on I will be right back with an article that says the Democrats bought the seats back and rigged the whole thing.

Doesn't a few others here do the same thing?

 

[paullud]

Doesn't a few others here do the same thing?

My point is he will complain about someone that uses a right wing commentator's story but sees no issue with the garbage he uses. Also notice he tries to act like he wasn't trying to get in a shot about the "fake" candidates but felt the need to point it out in his comments.

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[Tennesseahawk]

What's makes this situation even more pathetic, the so called fiscal conservatives put up fake candidates (Republicans running as Democrats), which is a tactic used at times, but you have to question why in such hard times the Republicans would do such a thing, especially when this will end up costing the taxpayers $500,000 Way to go Republicans Scott Walker......your next.

You're kidding, right? With all the liberals running as Republicans, you're absolutely kidding, right???

 

[witness23]

It's kind of hart to tell, frankly. You say Democracy at its finest, but if anything it's Democracy at its worst.

C'mon turtle, I know you better than that. You know that the Democrats leaving the state was legal and a tactic that has been used in the past to stop a quorum vote, and you know exactly why it was done. Here's an article on that very subject. I especially like the part about Lincloln, as legend has it, climbing out of a window to avoid a vote.(Note to self: Read up on that further) You also know what the Republicans did is legal and also strategy by putting up Republican candidates posing as Democrats in the primaries. Two different strategies but both legal and used in the past.

Democrats are mad at the Republicans in general because too many Republicans had the audacity to get themselves elected in the first place, thereby giving them control of the statehouse.

Yeah.....I suppose they would be, but I don't think they would be using such tactics as leaving the state just because they are throwing a temper-tantrum. Don't trivialize the situation.

Now the Democrats are seething mad at the Republicans who voted for the anti-union measures.

Uh.....yeah.

So now, in the first of a series of special recall elections, the Democrats won a preliminary victory in a bid to just up and unseat Republican lawmakers who voted for the anti-union law. Yeah, the system works alright.

I take it you are not in agreement that the system isn't working. Interesting.

Exactly. Seriously, what's your point?

Ummmmm.....that the system we have in place works. And that six democrats have won in the recall primaries. Thought it was pretty easy to see.

No, not at all. I think your reasoning for posting this article was to incite an emotional response (Democracy at its finest.... [misleading]...

Look man, I know you have that perpetual hard on for me, but get real. This IS an example of our Democracy at work for the people, if you don't think so, I'm sorry to hear that.

What's makes this situation even more pathetic... [partisan baiting that furthers the spin of a union-PAC spokesperson]...

The $500,000.00 of the taxpayers money spent by the Republicans to run as Democrats, in which they knew had zero-chance of winning, call it what you will, I call it pathetic.

you have to question why in such hard times the Republicans would do such a thing... [when you really don't have to question it, since it's Democracy at its finest, remember?]).

Just because there is a strategy or tactic that can be used, doesn't mean it should be enacted. Especially if you are running on being fiscally conservative.

"“Now that self-proclaimed fiscal conservatives have set $500,000 of taxpayer money on fire in fake primaries that served no purpose beyond their ‘do-anything’ quest to maintain power..."]

In case anyone was wondering, that above statement was made by:

said Kelly Steele, a spokesman for the pro-union PAC We Are Wisconsin, in a statement.

Yep, ummmm.....as pro-union PAC, I would expect that kind of statement. Shocker!

which is just hilarious spin, since it's the Democrats who set this whole thing up in the first place, in order to regain and maintain power.

I don't know if would call it "spin", I think I would look at that statement of having a bit of contempt for the Republicans more than anything else.

Well, no, that's not the least bit confrontational, now is it? <snort>

Quit whining.

 

[witness23]

You're kidding, right? With all the liberals running as Republicans, you're absolutely kidding, right???

From my reply to turtle:

Just because there is a strategy or tactic that can be used, doesn't mean it should be enacted. Especially if you are running on being fiscally conservative.

Yes, it is legal and done quite a bit from both sides actually in Wisconsin. I'm not complaining about the strategy, I am only questioning the Republicans thought process in using the strategy, especially when they are running as fiscal conservatives.

 

[blackpup]

Would a registered Republican in Wisconsin be allowed to vote in a Democratic primary ?

jimmy

 

[witness23]

Would a registered Republican in Wisconsin be allowed to vote in a Democratic primary ?

jimmy

Yes, in Wisconsin they have open primaries. Registered Republicans can vote in Democratic primaries, and vice-versa.

You can go here to see what your state requires.

 

[Turtle]

C'mon turtle, I know you better than that. You know that the Democrats leaving the state was legal and a tactic that has been used in the past to stop a quorum vote, and you know exactly why it was done.

Thanks for telling me what I know. But you forgot the part that I also know that just because a tactic is legal and precedented doesn't make it Democracy at its finest.

Yeah.....I suppose they would be, but I don't think they would be using such tactics as leaving the state just because they are throwing a temper-tantrum. Don't trivialize the situation.

Leaving the state to avoid the vote was absolutely a temper tantrum. Democrats didn't want that legislation to pass, they wanted to get their way, and they wanted to get it really, really badly. Liberals think that if they want it badly enough, then they should have it. That's all the justification they need. Leaving the state was not at all unlike a 3-year old going all, "OK then, I'll show you!" Whining at its best.

I take it you are not in agreement that the system isn't working. Interesting.

No, the system isn't working, in Wisconsin or anywhere else. Legislatures at both state and federal levels are basically nothing more than children fighting on the playground.

Ummmmm.....that the system we have in place works. And that six democrats have won in the recall primaries. Thought it was pretty easy to see.

Ah, OK, thanks. So your point of this was to report the news, using biased a biased news source, in the Soapbox. Got it.

Look man, I know you have that perpetual hard on for me, but get real.

Look man, keep your personal comments and ad hominem pot shots to yourself.

This IS an example of our Democracy at work for the people, if you don't think so, I'm sorry to hear that.

Well I'm sorry that you're sorry. The Republicans who called for a quorum instead of a real vote, the Democrats who left the state to avoid it, and the Democrats now trying to regain power by exacting revenge, it's all childish, dirty politics, not our Democracy at work.

The $500,000.00 of the taxpayers money spent by the Republicans to run as Democrats, in which they knew had zero-chance of winning, call it what you will, I call it pathetic.

It it pathetic because it's Republicans who did it? I don't understand how you can call it pathetic when it's nothing more than a legal, precedented example of Democracy at work.

Just because there is a strategy or tactic that can be used, doesn't mean it should be enacted. Especially if you are running on being fiscally conservative.

You're making my case for me. Thanks.

In case anyone was wondering, that above statement was made by:

Anyone who rad the article you posted shouldn't be wondering that.

Yep, ummmm.....as pro-union PAC, I would expect that kind of statement. Shocker!

I don't know if would call it "spin", I think I would look at that statement of having a bit of contempt for the Republicans more than anything else.

Biased statements to make something appear differently or slanted in weight to favor one side or the other is the very definition of spin. The reason for the spin is the contempt.

Quit whining.

Quit trolling and being confrontational.

The Superturtle comment and graphic above is an example of a sardonic attack on a member of the forum (me) and is off-topic. I caution you to stick to the issues and to stop being confrontational.