Democrat Pat Caddell: America is at a Pre-Revolutionary moment.

aristotle · Jan 9, 2013

Pat Caddell is an astute observer of American politics and an earnest critic of both political parties. The video link below shows Caddell speaking to a group of Texas Republicans this week. It is a warning of where we are headed as a nation.

The video runs about 15 minutes and well worth watching. Most of Caddell's salient warning comes in the last 5 minutes of his talk.

Caddell: 'This Country Is On The Verge Of An Explosion'

layoutshooter · Jan 9, 2013

I can't get video but the title is right on. There is going to be a REAL problem and soon. I believe that it has gone too far to be avoided.

Turtle · Jan 9, 2013

People dismissed my comments a year ago when I said the Occupy Wall Street crowd was the beginning of this pre-revolutionary moment. I still think that was the stirrings of the beginning.

aristotle · Jan 9, 2013

Turtle said:
People dismissed my comments a year ago when I said the Occupy Wall Street crowd was the beginning of this pre-revolutionary moment. I still think that was the stirrings of the beginning.

I've believed the spark would come from the political right, such as the Tea Party. However, you may very well be correct in that it may come from the left with OWS. All the pre-conditions exist for turmoil.

layoutshooter · Jan 9, 2013

Turtle said:
People dismissed my comments a year ago when I said the Occupy Wall Street crowd was the beginning of this pre-revolutionary moment. I still think that was the stirrings of the beginning.

They are johnny come latelys. The 'movement' has been growing for a long time. One only has to visit the indoor gun ranges, the gun clubs and talk with firearms instructors.

The difference is the OWS street people, besides being somewhat brain dead, tend to lean towards the left. The people I know are hard working, well armed, love the Constitution and KNOW how to handle themselves. They are being dismissed as "radicals" or "gun nuts". They have the POWER to prevail. There are MILLIONS of them out there, unlike OWS.

aristotle · Jan 9, 2013

layoutshooter said:
They are johnny come latelys. The 'movement' has been growing for a long time. One only has to visit the indoor gun ranges, the gun clubs and talk with firearms instructors.

The difference is the OWS street people, besides being somewhat brain dead, tend to lean towards the left. The people I know are hard working, well armed, love the Constitution and KNOW how to handle themselves. They are being dismissed as "radicals" or "gun nuts". They have the POWER to prevail. There are MILLIONS of them out there, unlike OWS.

OWS has the energy of youth. Young people rebel. Middle-aged and older folks tend to stay inside, lock their doors, stock up on ammo and hope for the best.

layoutshooter · Jan 9, 2013

aristotle said:
OWS has the energy of youth. Young people rebel. Middle-aged and older folks tend to stay inside, lock their doors, stock up on ammo and hope for the best.

Dream on. All the OWS duds are going to do is smoke dope, demand their freebies, poop in the parks, trash them and commit a few rapes.

The ranges are FULL. They have been for a VERY long time. They are being used by ALL ages, not just 'middle aged' LOTS of families out there too. The 'gun nuts' are mainstream and hard working and KNOW they are about to be attacked, both by law and force, by this administration. They are MORE than ready.

Try to buy a rifle right now. There are none to be had and there are year long, or longer, waiting lists. Ammo can't be found and range time is hard to get. Militias are starting to train again. Won't find any OWS bums there either.

aristotle · Jan 9, 2013

layoutshooter said:
Dream on. All the OWS duds are going to do is smoke dope, demand their freebies, poop in the parks, trash them and commit a few rapes.

The ranges are FULL. They have been for a VERY long time. They are being used by ALL ages, not just 'middle aged' LOTS of families out there too. The 'gun nuts' are mainstream and hard working and KNOW they are about to be attacked, both by law and force, by this administration. They are MORE than ready.

Try to buy a rifle right now. There are none to be had and there are year long, or longer, waiting lists. Ammo can't be found and range time is hard to get. Militias are starting to train again. Won't find any OWS bums there either.

I am saying it will be young people who spark any coming tumult. If mass demonstrations begin to happen AND an unfortunate overreaction by police or para-military, such as happened at Kent State several decades ago... then it becomes practically unstoppable. With live television coverage around the clock, the media feeds the frenzy.

Turtle · Jan 9, 2013

Aristotle is spot on. It's always the young who initiate revolt.

As a side note, this pre-revolution has nothing to do with gun control. Those at the ranges with gun control control issues is merely a small part of it all.

layoutshooter · Jan 9, 2013

aristotle said:
I am saying it will be young people who spark any coming tumult. If mass demonstrations begin to happen AND an unfortunate overreaction by police or para-military, such as happened at Kent State several decades ago... then it becomes practically unstoppable. With live television coverage around the clock, the media feeds the frenzy.

You can believe that if you like, I don't. Obama is NOT going after them. They are getting what they want, more freebies.

Obama is going after mainstream, hard working Americans, BIG TIME. HE INTENDS to make them criminals. He WILL attack, with extreme force. The first targets of the People? The media, take out Pravda first. Local cops are NOT, for the most part, going to join the administration, they will join with their neighbors. MILLIONS of well armed people who can shoot quite well cannot be stopped. Doper and drunks who are too lazy to work can be easily bought.

layoutshooter · Jan 9, 2013

Turtle said:
Aristotle is spot on. It's always the young who initiate revolt.

As a side note, this pre-revolution has nothing to do with gun control. Those at the ranges with gun control control issues is merely a small part of it all.

Believe what you want. The young today are part of the entitlement bunch. FAR too lazy to stand up. They have been bought out and controlled. All that OWS crap was a ploy to help Obama consolodate his power and win a second term. That is done. NOW they are going after the REAL threat to them, WORKING PEOPLE. Many of them are young too.

The OWS bunch can be taken out in 10 minutes. They are too stupid to revolt or survive.

Turtle · Jan 9, 2013

Wow. Talk about believing what you want. LOL

aristotle · Jan 9, 2013

Young people tend to be more impulsive. Moreover, many of them feel they have nothing to lose by rioting. Older folks are too wrapped up in their mortgages and jobs to put it all at risk by participating in civil unrest. Of course, there will be old gray-haired instigators behind the scenes, manipulating the youth.

Youth will start a revolt, but pretty quickly, older adults would assume direction and command. Youth know how to start a revolt. It's unlikely they know how to lead one to successful fruition where desired change is accomplished.

jimby82 · Jan 10, 2013

In 1776, the average age of the Founding Fathers was 43.8. Not exactly a bunch of spring chickens. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_was_the_average_age_of_the_founding_fathers

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layoutshooter · Jan 10, 2013

jimby82 said:
In 1776, the average age of the Founding Fathers was 43.8. Not exactly a bunch of spring chickens. What was the average age of the founding fathers

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That is what I thought. Youth riots, adults revolt. The OWS crowd are going to be nothing more than in the way, or targets.

davekc · Jan 10, 2013

Maybe a little different take. The founding fathers were focused on starting on new government. The people revolting today don't really appear to have that agenda other than trying to stop something. Looking at current revolts acrossed the globe, they are generally being done by the young. That would include all the countries in Europe, Russia, Egypt, and the whole middle east for that matter rather than older citizens. Would the US be different? Not so sure.
Look at the most current age in the US. Age of the Tea Party folks and then look at the age of the OWS crowd. The latter will revolt when those benefits start getting cut.

Mdbtyhtr · Jan 10, 2013

I would think those with something to lose (tangible) would be less likely to become involved in any type of revolt or protest. The youth with neither possession or direction have no deterrent to such behavior. Frankly, I am skeptical of the far right and the far left. Should the government move to side step the Constitution again, as was suggested today regarding Biden and a move by the President to rewrite gun laws by executive order, I truly fear for the longevity of our Republic. One can't help but wonder if civil unrest is planned and expected so the response would be in line with the rest if the world, UN troops on the ground in the U.S. and the beginning of a Monarchy.
Scott

davekc · Jan 10, 2013

Or you would wind up with many LOS's and it would be anarchy.

aristotle · Jan 10, 2013

jimby82 said:
In 1776, the average age of the Founding Fathers was 43.8. Not exactly a bunch of spring chickens. What was the average age of the founding fathers

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The average life expectancy as recently as 1900 (not 1776) was about 47 years. The average Founding Father at age 43 would have been relatively old in light of these statistics. Other than George Washington, how many Founding Fathers actually took up arms in battle? The Founding Fathers were more of a spiritual impetus than fighting force. They were the gray-haired instigators of an earlier time.