Death of the Twinkie....greedy Wall Street to blame!

OntarioVanMan

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Meanwhile the president of the AFL-CIO, Richard Trumka, released a statement calling the closure "a microcosm of what's wrong with America, as Bain-style Wall Street vultures make themselves rich by making America poor." Bain Capital is the asset management company founded by former Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney that invested in faltering companies.

"Crony capitalism and consistently poor management drove Hostess into the ground, but its workers are paying the price," he said. "These workers, who consistently make great products Americans love and have offered multiple concessions, want their company to succeed. They have bravely taken a stand against the corporate race-to-the-bottom. And now they and their communities are suffering the tragedy of a needless layoff."

According to CNBC, the forces most responsible for Hostess' decision to close are "two hedge funds that control hundreds of millions of Hostess debt and which have finally decided they won't squeeze any more filling into the Twinkie." It is not clear that Hostess would have lasted this long without such investors: Hostess has faced struggles to maintain market share as Americans' appetites have moved away from junk food and competition has increased, and the company sought bankruptcy in 2004 and again in January. Hostess' debt was most recently purchased by the two funds, Silver Point and Monarch, which generally buy corporate debt at discounts in hopes of turning companies around.

What the hedge funds want is some degree of capitulation from a union whose members will otherwise lose thousands of jobs in liquidation," Fortune's David Kaplan wrote in an extensive article in July. "If the hedge funds don't get it, they've concluded, the company isn't worth saving."

"Union bosses" and "Wall Street vultures" blamed for Hostess' demise - Political Eye - CBS News
 

Tennesseahawk

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And the AFL/CIO's wheels keep turning, while Hostess is dismantled, much to the detriment of the union workers. Kinda sounds like a Bain company, IMO. They sacrifice some of their workers... in this case, Hostess' union workers... in order to keep up the act that they are strong, healthy, and not to be messed with. It's akin to FDR having to stand in public, so as not to show he has polio. It's a scam. Smoke and mirrors.
 

OntarioVanMan

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Hostess would have eventually failed anyhow....IMO..mis-management, bad product line...unions were just a apart of the overall problem....the more the workers gave back the more Wall Street just sucked the company dry....they have a lot of bidders for their individual products....Twinkies may rise again...
 

davekc

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Article is alittle slanted. Poor management was certainly a factor, but compaing them to competitors, they were way over paying their workers for positions similar at other bakeries.
Put those two together and you have a sinking ship.
 

OntarioVanMan

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Article is alittle slanted. Poor management was certainly a factor, but compaing them to competitors, they were way over paying their workers for positions similar at other bakeries.
Put those two together and you have a sinking ship.

Or we're the ones in a similar occupation underpaid to begin with? All perspective....
 

OntarioVanMan

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there ya go...had little to do with the union...and more to do with politics and good old fashion Greed...to quote "There were also more hedge funds, investment banks, strategic buyers, politicians involved in this particular story than one can shake a deep fried numismatic value Twinkie at."



Ripplewood is run by Tim Collins, 55, who's been at the center of other famed PE transactions. Known as a brilliant capitalist-philanthropist-networker, he's an eclectic character: a Democrat in an industry of Republicans;



Hostess was able to exit bankruptcy in 2009 for three reasons. The first was Ripplewood's equity infusion of $130 million in return for control of the company (it currently owns about two-thirds of the equity). The second reason: substantial concessions by the two big unions. Annual labor cost savings to the company were about $110 million; thousands of union members lost their jobs. The third reason: Lenders agreed to stay in the game rather than drive Hostess into liquidation and take whatever pieces were left. The key lenders were Silver Point and Monarch. Both are hedge funds that specialize in investing in distressed companies -- whether you call them saviors or vultures depends on whether you're getting fed or getting eaten.
 
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xiggi

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So the union giving up less than the investors put in means nothing? Without the infusion of cash they would have closed earlier.

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OntarioVanMan

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So the union giving up less than the investors put in means nothing? Without the infusion of cash they would have closed earlier.

Sent from my Fisher Price - ABC 123

the whole gist of the story was investors and hedge funds playing around...the unions were the bit players...to quote again from the storyline...

"There were also more hedge funds, investment banks, strategic buyers, politicians involved in this particular story than one can shake a deep fried numismatic value Twinkie at."
 

xiggi

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The critical issue in the bankruptcy is legacy pensions. Hostess has roughly $2 billion in unfunded pension liabilities to its various unions' workers -- the Teamsters but also the Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco Workers and Grain Millers International Union


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xiggi

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The bottom line is hostess could not compete because of high labor and pension costs compared to other bakeries. That fact cannot be ignored no matter how much you try to.

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xiggi

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The investors owned the company it was their money not the unions.

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iceroadtrucker

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Hey guys think about this RG steel was bought up by Investors 6-8 months latter it closed its doors and laid off 20,000 workers and then the investors are slicing and dicing the Plant up for its copper. The plant was worth more dead and sliced and diced than alive so to speak. It made money but not the stinking investors liking. Remind you of any body Hmmm Ya Greckooo
 

xiggi

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RG investors might still lose their investment via lawsuits.

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bobwg

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My suggestion if Unions are so good and smart why dont they buy Hostess and see if they can really run a company
 

hossman2011

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It is still not all the unions fault... They gave back a lot in 09 and investors blew it

it is entirely the unions fault, maybe not so much the current members but the gut sucking pigs that raped the company in the 60s 70s and into the 80s... Just like all the unions in their hay days they got those big fat paychecks and those cadillac benefits one of which was retirement and the legacy benefits are more than the companies can keep up with... you see the corrrupt unions quit killing there members at a fast enough rate so there are to many left around to collect..... a set culling number should have been negotiated...
 

OntarioVanMan

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And who gave them those benefits? Back in the 50s and 60's When everyone was making good money Rather than fight corporations just gave in
 
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