"D" downgraded to"C"

redytrk

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Met a driver last night while swapping freight. I commented on his nice "Super C". Huge sleeper Fyda/Bentz. But wait how come a C with a 22ft box.

It seems that the addition of a APU boosted his weight 300lbs over, causing FECC to down grade it. I am sure this is not the first time this has happened, but what a kick in the rear.

There are so many things I should have told him, least of which would be seeking advise on this forum. But I was tired and thought of many things later.

Issues are. How could Fyda have been so inept? Why has the law not been updated to exempt weight of APU`s. I may not be up to date on this, but I am sure it was proposed.

The driver was Dennis C2458.

If anyone knows how to get in touch with him, and has some good advise, I am sure he would appreciate it. He is delivering in the Portland Me area this morning and then taking a load to Columbus Oh.
 

LDB

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Retired Expediter
DOT rules are supposed to exempt up to 400 pounds of APU weight when calculating legal/overweight status. I would think the same rule should apply with any company. If I were within 300 pounds of the cutoff I'd be in the office at FX pointing out the DOT exception in writing and requesting the same from the company.
 

Jefferson3000

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Good point, Leo. I'd also probably start a spring cleaning and figure out if there's couple hundred pounds of junk I could leave off the truck and be happy.
 

redytrk

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Good point, Leo. I'd also probably start a spring cleaning and figure out if there's couple hundred pounds of junk I could leave off the truck and be happy.
The driver said he was told to have full tanks and all his normal travel gear. I don`t know who told him this, I don`t remember FECC ever telling me to get a weight ticket in this manner.
 

x06col

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US Army
Guess if they don't need d's any worse than that, i'd be look'in
 

greg334

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Leo,
The DOT does indeed exempt the 400lbs but they also say it is up to the states to recognize that exemption, so what is legal here in Michigan may not be legal in Indiana.

The things I am wondering about are;

If it has a super sleeper on it, how does it have a 22 ft box?

If it was down graded, how did this happen if it was a D unit and now a C unit - FedEx didn't go out and weigh the truck, did they?
 

redytrk

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Found this....
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Size, Weight, Length

Auxiliary Power Units

FHWA rule clarifies weight exception for Auxiliary Power Units

The Federal Highway Administration(FHWA) has issued final rules related to truck size and weight regulations that include guidance regarding the new 400-pound weight exception for trucks equipped with an Auxiliary Power Unit (APU). A provision of the Energy Policy Act of 2005 increased federal weight limits to allow for APUs in order to promote the use of technologies that reduce fuel consumption and emissions from engine idling.

In a Federal Register notice dated February 20, 2007, the FHWA said it will allow up to 400 pounds in axle, tandem, gross, or bridge weight formula (an axle weight calculation), or the weight of the APU unit, whichever is less. For example, if a truck has an APU with a certified weight of 750 pounds, the truck will be allowed the maximum 400 pounds additional weight. But if a truck has an APU with a certified weight of 300 pounds, it will be allowed a 300-pound exception.

The FHWA acknowledged the concerns of enforcement agencies about APU weight certification requirements, but it concluded that trucks equipped with an APU must carry a written certification of the APUs weight: “The certification of the APUs weight must be in writing but can include awide range of options, including a manufacturer's certification (sticker, specification plate, etc), certified scale tickets listing the vehicle’s weight both before and after the unit’s installation, a component parts list with listed weights of each component if the unit is manufactured by the owner or operator, etc., so long as it accurately reflects the weight of the unit and is available to roadside enforcement officers.”

Since many APUs use the truck tractor’s fuel supply, the FHWA determined that it will only consider the APU’s empty weight and not allow the weight calculation of the unit to include fuel. A requirement that the APU be “fully functional at all times” was more problematic to address in rules because there will be times when a unit is temporarily broken down. For this, the FHWA simply noted that there will be little or no incentive for a driver to install and transport a non-working APU.
 

LDB

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That's the rule I referred to and the one I'd be challenging FX with. I also agree to do a serious cleaning out of the truck and box. I'd also consider scaling the truck again and this time standing on the apron of the scale while the truck was weighed to get a ticket for FX if my spring cleaning wasn't sufficient.
 

redytrk

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Leo,
The DOT does indeed exempt the 400lbs but they also say it is up to the states to recognize that exemption, so what is legal here in Michigan may not be legal in Indiana.

The things I am wondering about are;

If it has a super sleeper on it, how does it have a 22 ft box?

You have to know that his sleeper was "Super Size" compared to mine. It was probably 96"
 

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TeamCaffee

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We have a 96" AA sleeper with a 24' box and we are 40' bumper to bumper. Our truck when we first bought it brand new with just a APU, no lift gate and no tag axle and also before I moved in weighed almost 20,000 lbs. After we added our gear we could not legally haul 13,000 which would have made us a C unit so we added another axle. We keep a copy of the law about the APU exemption in the truck with us at all times and have had to use this trump card once and it worked in our benefit. OOIDA had an article on this issue with a copy of the law, if you have an APU it is a good idea to have it printed out and keep the copy with your permits.

If you are going to stay a D unit with FedEx Custom Critical you have to be able to haul 13,000 lbs if you cannot do this you will become a C Unit it is as simple as that.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
From JJ Keller, March 2007 flyer

Weight Exemption Doesn’t Apply in All States
The Energy Policy Act of 2005 included a small piece of legislation that allowed for states to enact gross, axle, tandem, and bridge formula weight allowances for auxiliary power units (APU) or idle reduction technology. The legislation allowed states to adopt a 400-pound weight exemption without putting the state at risk of losing valuable federal highway funding.


The Federal Highway Administration (FHWA) subsequently adopted regulations under 23 CFR 658.17, Weight, in February 2007. The regulations provided that vehicles using an auxiliary power or idle reduction technology unit are eligible for up to a 400-pound exemption if the vehicle operator is able to prove by written certification the weight of the APU, and by demonstration or certification that the idle reduction technology is fully functional at all times.


A few questions have surfaced about the applicability of the exemption and we’re here to clear them up:


Must all states adopt the 400-pound APU exemption?
It is up to each state to decide whether it will adopt the exemption, according to FHWA. In other words, a state is in no way required to adopt the exemption. If a state chooses to allow the exemption, then the state must do so according to the federal regulation at 23 CFR 658.17.


What states are allowing the exemption?
To date only three states, Oregon, Kansas, and Washington, have implemented the 400-pound exemption.


Will other states honor the exemption?
There has been no indication or widespread agreement that other states are honoring the 400-pound weight exemption adopted by Oregon, Kansas, and Washington.
However, some states have weight tolerances under which the additional 400 pounds would be covered. Check with intended states of travel to find out if tolerances exist.


How does the exemption benefit an interstate carrier?
It’s hard to say that there are benefits for interstate carriers, again, as the exemption is not widely accepted by all states. Currently, the exemption primarily benefits carriers operating between or within Oregon and Washington, and intrastate carriers in Kansas.


If my APU weighs 300 pounds, do I still get to claim the 400-pound exemption, provided I meet all other requirements?
The regulation states that the additional weight may be up to a total of 400 pounds in axle, tandem, gross, or bridge formula weight or the weight of the APU, whichever is less. Therefore, you would be allowed an additional 300 pounds, not 400 pounds, in axle, tandem, gross, or bridge formula weight.


What happens if I take advantage of the 400-pound exemption but my APU stops working mid-trip?
This has been a concern for certain trucking advocate groups. Thus far, it has not been addressed by Washington or Kansas. The FHWA addressed the issue in the preamble to the final rule by stating, “a certification letter which clearly states the unit's operational characteristics if the unit is temporarily broken down, should provide sufficient proof.” Oregon has reported that the state will make amendments to the regulations to clarify their enforcement procedures.
With that said, The feds have come up a 'memo' reinforcing this information and the copy I got is from April of 2007. I also have several Emails and letters from different states around July 2007 on this specific subject and one thing that is made clear is that if the state don't honor the rule, than there is little recourse that can be done on the behalf of the owner if the owner gets an overweight ticket in the states that refuse to honor it.

Keeping a copy of the law is a good idea if it is in one of those states that are gray (so to speak) but remember the states are in control until (or if) there is ever a case in Federal court over the what a state can do to limit or restrict interstate commerce.

AND there were attempts to amend this rule for non-IC power sources, like Solar and battery power to allow up to 800 lbs added weight to the truck if so equipped and this would include battery powered reefer units.
 
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TeamCaffee

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That is interesting Greg as the state we used our exemption in was in Washington.
 

greg334

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That is interesting Greg as the state we used our exemption in was in Washington.
Well that's good to know, thanks.

So Washington must have changed their mind. I have not gotten any updates on the issue for a while so I guess I will have to start over with the emails and letters to bring the info up to date.
 

terryandrene

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The APU weight exemption is noteworthy but the issue of the thread was that a driver implied that his truck was downgraded from a D to a C. The distinction, of course, is that a D classification with FedEx Custom Critical requires a truck be capable of legally scaling 13,000 pounds of the customer's cargo. Dennis' truck cannot scale 13,000, but we don't know the reason(s) why. FCC always requires owners to submit a scale ticket when leasing a truck so we can assume his FYDA truck is a freightliner FL70 with the Bentz sleeper and 22' box met the D truck cargo capacity at the time of sign on. What we forum members don't know is any additional equipment like belly boxes exrta fuel tank(s), lift gate, etc that might have been added after the scale ticket submission.

The FCC downgrade is not a new practice as they have been doing so for years. The stories that I have heard usually mention a driver who has to refuse full or nearly full D loads because of the excessive weight. This usually prompts a review of the truck's capacity and a change to a C classification if necessary. I hope that Dennis' weight issue is only due to the APU and that he can get a review. I doubt, though, that the APU addition was not the only reason for his weight issue.
 
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nightcreacher

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I know of some E units that were going to be classed as D 's cause they couldnt haul 44000#,what those people did was get a new weight tickets ,just 1/2 tank fuel,and took w/g equipment out.I can put 46000# in my trailer,but my axle weights wont be right.Im in the computer to haul 43500,as with w/g equip,easy to get axle weights right
 

x06col

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In reference to Terrys post, I can't imagine someone refusing a load because it would place them overweight. There are a hunderd other mealy reasons like my second cousins wifes birthday party, but, not "it'll put me over weight", unless, the really intend to shoot themselves in the foot. Think???
 

terryandrene

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I hear your message. Pehaps I should clarify. Many times we are dispatched on an estimated weight. If I get to the shipper and find that my 2300 pound cargo van load has grown to 2700 pounds, or in one case 4200 pounds. I'm refusing the load at the dock with a legitimate reason. Similarly, if an undercapacity D truck shows up for it's max capacity of 11,500 and the load is actually 12,900, FedEx Custom Critical, for one carrier, is going to inform the owner that he'll have to go to the second cousin's wife's birthday party in a C truck or get himself a tag axle.
 

arkjarhead

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Col, I figured you would have said something about how he wouldn't be having this problem if he wasn't in a toy truck. I'm kinda shocked you haven't. You feeling ok?
 
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