Cursive writing maybe dead in the water.

skyraider

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Jan. 24, 2011





The handwriting may be on the wall for cursive.

At least that's what some people fear as schools across the country continue to drop cursive handwriting from their curricula.

Forty-one states have so far adopted the new Common Core State Standards for English, which does not require cursive. Set by the Council of Chief State School Officers (CCSSO) and the National Governors Association (NGA), the standards provide a general framework for what students are expected to learn before college.

States are allowed the option of re-including cursive if they so choose, which is what Massachusetts and California have done.

But the latest to contemplate abandoning the script is Georgia, where teachers and administrators will meet in March to discuss erasing the longhand style from its lesson plans, says Georgia Department of Education spokesman Matt Cardoza.

The argument is that cursive is time-consuming and not as useful as the keyboard skills students will need as they move on to junior high and high school, he says.

As it happens, cursive is also not on the tests that rate schools under the No Child Left Behind law, and increasingly schools gear their curricula to excel at those tests, says Kathleen Wright, a national project manager for Zaner-Bloser, a publisher of education writing materials.


The above brief was on tv , Jan.2011.. I dont know why cursive is dead, but Im a 1946 baby and to old for these new educational laws and nonsense. IMHO>:confused:
 

AMonger

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At first, I thought that was sensible, given that in 20 years, we will likely not be doing that much printing, even. We're either going to return to something closer to caveman days after the world economy crashes and won't have much time our use for written communication, or if by some miracle society keeps progressing, we'll likely dictate just about everything or use a keyboard or some implant that can transcribe what we think.

However, I read an article by a teacher who described why this is a bad idea. Writing in cursive is similar to the way we think. When you think of a sentence to say or write, you're not thinking letter-by-letter or word-by-word. You think conceptually, in ideas that form groups of connected words in a flow, much like cursive is written. She laid out her case very well, showing how learning to write in a flow leads to learning to think in a flow. I hope I can find the article.

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LDB

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As long as we have to worry about hurting the feelings of the little darlings and not grading with mean red ink and not expecting anything other than social promotions this shouldn't be surprising.
 

AMonger

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Wanted to post this via the website, which eliminates the markup characters people hate, but the new board setup wouldn't let me paste it into the reply. Don't know how bad the markup is going to be on this. Anyway, this is from the teacher I mentioned on the importance of cursive writing.

Literacy's Last Hurrah

by Linda Schrock Taylor by Linda Schrock Taylor Recently by Linda Schrock Taylor: Let Teachers Tantrum ... Then Fire Them

The decision makers in the Teaching of Reading debacle are taking a final wrong path and from this new error there will be no return. After more than six decades of untested fads, illogical theories, and futile practices, the public education show has begun its final act. "The End" will be devastation. Einstein once predicted that the weapons of the future would be "sticks and stones." I suggest that the educational tools of the future will be...soft clay and stiff reeds. You see, the educational-powers-that-be have now decided that schools must stop teaching cursive penmanship, which will ultimately result in a return to primitive, preliterate skills.

Consider this...We speak in cursive. Our mouths, teeth, tongue, and lips control and coordinate breath and voice so that we not only articulate sounds but blend them, one into the other; so that we blend words, one into the other. In both external and internal language; in both expressive and receptive language; we do not separate sounds and spellings to create choppy thought processes. We say "stop" not "s/t/o/p ." We say "Seethebrowndog" rather than "See/the/brown/dog." Cursive handwriting mimics and reinforces the natural language flow of brain processing whereas the act of printing causes the brain to stop, start, and fragment the understanding and full use of language.

From my observations and experiences during 40 years of teaching children and adults with language and literacy delays, I strongly believe that cursive handwriting not only supports the acquisition of literacy, but actually teaches and reinforces basic reading skills! As a child does cursive writing, the rhythmic and purposeful movements of the hand and pencil echo and reinforce the child's thoughts and speech, matching and practicing those two basic and automatically acquired skills. Children master language without effort. With cursive writing, learners can see and feel the reading process pouring forth from their hands in reverse. Why would such a tool not help to make up for missing and/or ineffective classroom instruction and curriculum?

Instead of putting an end to the teaching of cursive, schools would be very wise to introduce and begin cursive instruction earlier – in First Grade – using a curriculum such as Cursive First. (More information here.) Every child would be the better for it; would be further along towards a literate and productive future. Print instruction can easily be delayed until literacy skills are solidified and until there is even a need for neat print...like in high school drafting classes.

As usual in the bass-ackwards world of education, teachers, administrators, and decision makers neither notice not understand the problems and consequences of forcing children – who naturally listen and speak in cursive – to shatter the natural linkages of language by stop & start printing of separated and fractured phonemes. Frankly, it is a wonder that any children learn to read and write while being given damaging instruction using counter-intuitive methods.

But therein lies the root of the failure of America's educational systems...the Decision Makers never seem to wonder. They never wonder if Weirdo-Fad A will actually improve student learning and retention. They never wonder if Strange-Activity B will do more harm than good. They never wonder why American prisons are full of 3rd grade level readers. (Hint: The Look-Say Method lifts learners to that level. The deaf, who lack the ability to hear, store, retrieve, and use any phonetic information, too often graduate high school with Third Grade reading levels.)

Most importantly, the Educated Idiot Decision Makers never wonder if they should first try Counter-Productive-Fad Z on a test population before inflicting it on every child in the nationwide schooling system. How maddening that these so-called-experts never even wonder if the failure of the schools; the diminishing of potential in tens of millions of individuals; and the ultimate destruction of America should be blamed on them. (Note: It should.)

Not only do these so-called experts fail to wonder, they, themselves are apparently not fully and competently literate. I doubt that they even understand that "being literate" involves more than earning a fluctuating-pass score on some non-standardized test like the Michigan MEAP. When I was in school (in Michigan, 1953-1966), literacy was taught during classes and lessons in: Reading. Spelling. Writing. Penmanship. Grammar. Vocabulary development. Literature. Diagramming. Rhetoric. Oration. Debate. Foreign language. Linguistics. Comparisons vs. contrasts. Biased and slanted journalism. Critical analysis, and more. Much more.

Logical and literate individuals should be incapable of making the utterly inexcusable decisions that these so-called-experts make regarding educational methods. I conclude that those "experts" either act with Stupidity or with Evil Intent. Look at their record and decide. They insisted that schools throw out phonics. They dismissed the importance of neat handwriting. They put a stop to the precise teaching of grammar. They negated the value of spelling lessons, claiming that there are "hundreds of spelling rules and an exception to break every one of them." (Aside: There are only 29 spelling rules and almost anything that appears to be an exception is really a word of foreign origin. Try as America might, it has no power to force foreign languages to fit English spelling and grammar rules.) These stupid...or evil...decision makers have pushed the children of America over one New Math cliff after another New-New Math cliff. These educated fools are so lacking in wonder and so devoid of intelligence, ethics, and conscience that the only recommendation they can now make is to..."not teach"! Teachers are now ordered to push the use of computers, spell checkers, calculators, writing groups, peer editing, peer tutoring, student-discovery of algorithms, and worse. Now, the Educated Idiot Decision Makers summarily dismiss cursive instruction.

With the end of cursive classes, the die will be cast and the loss of potential immeasurable. Our future citizens will not even be able to have a signature! They will not be able to "Sign here" and will instead need to print their names or resort to the pre-literate "Make your mark here____." However, future signatures will be the least of our worries. Literacy rates are low now, but they are simply a warning of the near-total illiteracy that the end of cursive instruction will finalize. As the popular phrase goes, we have not seen anything yet.

The only hope of preventing the final act in the Progressives’ War on American Schools is to take back our local schools. We must demand that local schools reinstate the teaching of cursive instruction. We must insist that the children of America be assigned very competent teachers who not only use and teach accurate cursive for every aspect of instruction, but who also expect neatness and precision from the students, for all written work, on paper and on boards, black or otherwise. If we fail to rise up to fight and win this battle, it may be our last chance. God forbid.

November 18, 2011

Linda Schrock Taylor [send her mail] is a retired special education teacher; a reading specialist; former homeschooling parent; and outspoken constitutionalist. She is slowly writing her first book on remediating reading skills.

Copyright © 2011 by LewRockwell.com. Permission to reprint in whole or in part is gladly granted, provided full credit is given.



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AMonger

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Wow. The new board eliminates all returns and breaks. Not good. Went back to correct it, but the breaks and paras all show in edit, just not on the finished copy. Don't know what to do about this. Android devices aren't going away; they'll only become more common.
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scottm4211

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As long as we have to worry about hurting the feelings of the little darlings and not grading with mean red ink and not expecting anything other than social promotions this shouldn't be surprising.

So it's ok to point out the error in the thread title? :confused:
 

mjmsprt40

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The only thing I write in cursive is my signature, and I can't even read it anymore. When I was in school I wrote legible cursive, but years of not using it have caused it to go to seed.
 

greg334

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With the end of cursive classes, the die will be cast and the loss of potential immeasurable.

I think while I was researching some educational thing, I ran across this same quote about Latin. Makes one wonder about the "progress" of our public schools, seeing Latin is still used for a bunch of things while Spanish and French is not.

The same goes for short hand, seeing that is a bit more closely related to the "We speak in cursive" argument being made here by actually making a legit statement that we speak in short hand first, seeing our language is not phontically driven.

BUT I must point out that if one is to point out the problem, then they shouldn't be part of the problem.
 
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LisaLouHoo

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I see too many youngsters on facebook using chat abbreviations in their posts, so much so that it seems they believe "u r 2" is correct phrasing. Worse I have a 61 year old, former babysitter of mine, who posts things such as "r u n jeff going 2 laredo".

STOP THAT!!!!

General spelling has taken a header in basic education, also. I do not know how many times I will have to tell my high school senior nephew he can only be "board" if he's a tree, I do not know when "tommarrow" is, nor am I sure where to find "Febuary" on a calendar.

I remember having to write cursive and spell to make it through college orientation.

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AMonger

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I see too many youngsters on facebook using chat abbreviations in their posts, so much so that it seems they believe "u r 2" is correct phrasing. Worse I have a 61 year old, former babysitter of mine, who posts things such as "r u n jeff going 2 laredo".

STOP THAT!!!!

General spelling has taken a header in basic education, also. I do not know how many times I will have to tell my high school senior nephew he can only be "board" if he's a tree, I do not know when "tommarrow" is, nor am I sure where to find "Febuary" on a calendar.

I remember having to write cursive and spell to make it through college orientation.

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Add to that list there's no such word as definately. God, that one's getting on my nerves. The look-say method strikes again.

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LisaLouHoo

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Add to that list there's no such word as definately. God, that one's getting on my nerves. The look-say method strikes again.

Yes, that makes my skin crawl. I just saw someone write that yesterday. Which was "Wendsday".

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LisaLouHoo

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Add to that list there's no such word as definately. God, that one's getting on my nerves. The look-say method strikes again.

Yes, that makes my skin crawl. I just saw someone post that on facebook yesterday. Which was "Wendsday".

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LisaLouHoo

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Add to that list there's no such word as definately. God, that one's getting on my nerves. The look-say method strikes again.

Yes, that makes my skin crawl. I just saw someone post that on facebook yesterday. Which was "Wendsday".

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greg334

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Well if anyone saw the cnbc piece about the socialization of kids, then you will understand that we are screwed as a nation.

One reason why I do not communicate via Facebook or support it - oh yeah anyone notice that the fb ipo is $50 billion? There is no reason why it should be allowed.
 

twentyhigh

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My third graders teacher just said that they are learning cursive, but no time to work on it at school. Practice it at home. Sad.
 

FIS53

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On a recent trip to a government office I got the chance to view some application forms for government services. I noticed several had the "Make your mark here______" and another spot for the applicants assistant's signature who had to be able to read/write and comprehend the application and associated paperwork so as to explain it to the applicant. It seems the government here is prepared for the lack of educated applicants.

Most peoples cursive writing and even their printing sems to get worse over time and especially if they write fast. This is one benefit of the electronic form of writing is that the letters stay the same and are totally readable except for spelling, grammar and other errors. I agree that the online community has created a whole new lot of short forms that are more and more creeping into other areas or writing and that should not be but such has been happening throughout history. Todays language is quite different from that of the nations founders and will continue to evolve as there is no one protecting the integrity of the language.
 
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