Cultural Decay in America

[Pilgrim]

Considering some of the points introduced in the Marijuana thread, this article brings out some others - a couple of which could be critical to the nation's future considering the direction our current POTUS wants to take us.

Fast forward to today and we find that, "Half of all children born to women under 30 in America now are illegitimate. Three in 10 white children are born out of wedlock, as are 53 percent of Hispanic babies and 73 percent of black babies." If we fixed this problem, the poverty rate would plunge, drug use would plummet, prison populations would drop, the suicide rate would dip and we'd be healthier as a society in almost every way imaginable.

Also consider the current work ethic, and the quality of education being offered in the public school system. Suppose we got into another serious worldwide conflict requiring massive amounts of equipment and material support for the military. We not only don't have the necessary facilities, but also lack workers with the necessary skills to make production possible. Even with today's high unemployment numbers, jobs requiring skilled workers go unfilled.

America put a man on the moon in less than a decade; yet we can't put a man on the moon today. We're more than 12 years out from 9/11 and we STILL haven't completed 1 World Trade Center. Meanwhile, it took 16 months to build the Pentagon, 4 years to complete the Sears/Willis Tower and we knocked out the Hoover Dam in just 5 years. If we were to get into another fight like WWII that depended on America's ability to produce massive amounts of military equipment, we couldn't win it because for all of our advanced technology and know-how, we're just not as good at building things as we used to be.

http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2014/01/25/5-horrific-examples-of-cultural-decay-in-america-n1784484/page/full

Imagine having to beg China to make the parts for our military equipment, then lend us the money to pay for them. Let's not even think about all the EPA regulations to be dealt with to be able to generate the necessary energy for manufacturing and assembly of tanks, weapons,etc.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

sounds like gobbly gook to me.....had plenty of unskilled workers for WW2....there was no problem.....all these auto plants can be converted in no time if need be....Steel makers are still around aplenty enough....and plenty of foundries in service....sounds like the "other side" scare tactics as usual...

 

[Turtle]

Fast forward to today and we find that, "Half of all children born to women under 30 in America now are illegitimate. Three in 10 white children are born out of wedlock, as are 53 percent of Hispanic babies and 73 percent of black babies." If we fixed this problem, the poverty rate would plunge, drug use would plummet, prison populations would drop, the suicide rate would dip and we'd be healthier as a society in almost every way imaginable.

Every bit of that can be traced back directly to the invention of, ironically enough, The Pill (May 9, 1960, the day my brother was born). Availability of the pill had an impact on various aspects of social life, including women's health, fertility trends, laws and policies, religion, interpersonal relationships and family roles, feminist issues, and gender relations, as well as sexual practices among both adults and adolescents. It's not The Pill itself that did anything, but it was the way it changed how people, mainly women, thought about social issues. It freed women from men in many ways, certainly financially, and allowed women to focus more on themselves rather than on the social needs of the family and children. Detailed day-to-day issues of morality, especially with regard to raising children, took a back seat, and the results of the compound effect of that over generations yields exactly what is quoted above.

 

[runrunner]

Every bit of that can be traced back directly to the invention of, ironically enough, The Pill (May 9, 1960, the day my brother was born). Availability of the pill had an impact on various aspects of social life, including women's health, fertility trends, laws and policies, religion, interpersonal relationships and family roles, feminist issues, and gender relations, as well as sexual practices among both adults and adolescents. It's not The Pill itself that did anything, but it was the way it changed how people, mainly women, thought about social issues. It freed women from men in many ways, certainly financially, and allowed women to focus more on themselves rather than on the social needs of the family and children. Detailed day-to-day issues of morality, especially with regard to raising children, took a back seat, and the results of the compound effect of that over generations yields exactly what is quoted above.

Question.
Are you saying things would be better if we kept women pregnant?

 

[Turtle]

Question.
Are you saying things would be better if we kept women pregnant?

I can't find anywhere in my paragraph where I said anything like that at all. Sooooo, no.

 

[Maverick]

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The part I agree with.

Take Mom out of the home and give her the same duties as the Dad? (or near the same) and it's a recipe for disaster. Lived through the so called woman's movement and saw the results. My question throughout was never, can a female do the same things, or as well, as a man.

The question to me was always, should they? That answer is obviously a ringing negative. We've been on a steady downhill slide ever since.

 

[Maverick]

quality of education being offered in the public school system.

Agreed. However, it's not being "offered" it's required global brainwashing. Thanks to that Mr Conservative, Ronald Reagan.

but also lack workers with the necessary skills to make production possible. Even with today's high unemployment numbers, jobs requiring skilled workers go unfilled.

Being filled by H1 Visa's and foreign entities.


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[skyraider]

Male leadership in the home is disappearing or has gone the way of the T-Rex. Depends on what stats you dig up and so on. Interesting stat given out in church today: Only 24 percent of Americans and or population attend church now,,,I guess one could look that up to.. There is a lot of junk going on now days..............

 

[Pilgrim]

sounds like gobbly gook to me.....had plenty of unskilled workers for WW2....there was no problem.....all these auto plants can be converted in no time if need be....Steel makers are still around aplenty enough....and plenty of foundries in service....sounds like the "other side" scare tactics as usual...

"...had plenty of unskilled workers for WW2...there was no problem..." I suggest you bone up on your WW2 history, and the buildup needed for the war effort. If you think today's auto plants can be "converted in no time" to manufacturing combat machinery, think again. Just think how long do you think it takes a plant to convert a single production line for a new model. Then there's the cost - who's going to pay for that? Not Uncle Sam, because he's broke. The money will have to come from China, assuming they'll loan it to us for God-only-knows what interest rate. Also consider the most successful assembly plants in the US are foreign owned. Do you think the Japanese and South Koreans will sacrifice their production and spend billions if not trillions of dollars to convert their plants to bail out a bankrupt United States?

We're not nearly as self sufficient today as we were then, and we only have to look at textiles as an example of a fundamental element that's been lost to overseas cheap labor. Who's going to make the uniforms, boots, helmets, etc - all the other little stuff that's necessary to mobilize an army and sustain them in the field? The complexity of an effort such as this is beyond the comprehension of the average person.

Getting back to the problem of building things - how efficient would the US Govt and all its regulatory agencies be in coordinating a war effort? You reckon Obama's EPA would relax its restrictions on fossil fuels so we could produce more oil, gas and coal for the necessary energy? What would the policy be on immigration during wartime? How would current cultural attitudes and political correctness effect an all-out war effort if it became necessary? What would be the response of today's generation of 18-21 year olds - men and women - if the draft had to be reinstated? If all this sounds like gobbledygook maybe you better talk to somebody that was alive when the Nazis started re-arming themselves and making bellicose gestures in Europe during the 1930s, and then saw what happened at Pearl Harbor. What makes us more vulnerable now to this kind of situation is having a POTUS that's viewed by our enemies and allies alike as weak, naive and arrogant, to say nothing of his domestic economic incompetence. It's our current culture to blame for electing somebody like this in the first place, and then re-electing him in spite of his record of failure. But in today's culture, failure is always Bush's or somebody else's fault.

 

[Maverick]

Pilgrim. I agree with most of your post, but leadership is most always reflective of populace, and vice versa. The morality went into the toilet, right along with personal responsibility and direction. This current POTUS is doing exactly what those who put him in office....tell him to do. Or one could look at it this way.....you don't get the job by flunking the interview.

A world war is funded by the same entity, to both sides. The central world banks will loan it to whomever they want, and it will be all parties involved. When the smoke clears....they win, no matter what.

 

[RLENT]

Pilgrim,

I wouldn't want to dismiss out-of-hand any legitimate issues you raise (because there are some) ... but I can't help but think your posts in this thread border on approaching the near hysterical ...

Furthermore, you seem rather fixated on the WWII to Vietnam era type of military action ... to say nothing of your obsessive fixation on militarism and fighting generally ...

Manufacturing ?

Try this:

Size
The United States is the world's largest manufacturer, with a 2010 industrial output of approximately $1,696.7 billion. In 2008, its manufacturing output was greater than that of the manufacturing output of China, India, and Brazil combined, despite manufacturing being a very small portion of the entire U.S economy, as compared to most other countries.

If the top 500 U.S.-based manufacturing firms were counted as a separate country, their total revenue would rank as the world’s third’s largest economy.

Modern manufacturing
The largest manufacturing industries in the United States by revenue include petroleum, steel, automobiles, aerospace, telecommunications, chemicals, electronics, food processing, consumer goods, lumber, and mining.

A large portion of U.S. industrial output, the United States leads the world in airplane manufacturing. American companies such as Boeing, Cessna (see: Textron), Lockheed Martin (see: Skunk Works), and General Dynamics produce a vast majority of the world's civilian and military aircraft in factories stretching across the United States.

A total of 3.2 million – one in six U.S. factory jobs – have disappeared since the start of 2000. The manufacturing sector of the U.S. economy has experienced substantial job losses over the past several years. In January 2004, the number of such jobs stood at 14.3 million, down by 3.0 million jobs, or 17.5 percent, since July 2000 and about 5.2 million since the historical peak in 1979. Employment in manufacturing was its lowest since July 1950. The United States produces approximately 21 percent of the world's manufacturing output, a number which has remained unchanged for the last 40 years. The job loss during this continual volume growth is explained by record-breaking productivity gains. In addition, growth in telecommunications, pharmaceuticals, aircraft, heavy machinery and other industries along with declines in low end, low-skill industries such as clothing, toys, and other simple manufacturing have resulted in U.S. jobs being more highly skilled and better paying.

Manufacturing in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What's probably the most ironic in all of this is that you're taking your cues from some young cherubic peckerhead that's 20 years your junior ... and apparently has never been anything other than a political writer ...

 

[Maverick]

Furthermore, you seem rather fixated on the WWII to Vietnam era type of military action ... to say nothing of your obsessive fixation on militarism and fighting generally ...Manufacturing ?

RLENT

Don't think there's any plans to fire up the old war machine. These countries are all on board with globalism. The only ones who were not, were some Arab countries who temporarily left the reservation, while having other ideas in mind.

We have merged our education system with the Soviet Union, have all the trade agreements with China, and one only has to research Agenda 21 and sustainable development to see what this is all about. It's a world system being set up.

 

[RLENT]

RLENT

Don't think there's any plans to fire up the old war machine. These countries are all on board with globalism. The only ones who were not, were some Arab countries who temporarily left the reservation, while having other ideas in mind.

We have merged our education system with the Soviet Union, have all the trade agreements with China, and one only has to research Agenda 21 and sustainable development to see what this is all about. It's a world system being set up.

Mav,

I was actually replying to Pilgrim, not you ... you just beat me in getting the next post up ...

 

[Maverick]

Mav,

I was actually replying to Pilgrim, not you ... you just beat me in getting the next post up ...

Gotcha. And I was replying to your post, but not to disagree.

FWIW, I happen to agree with parts of Pilgrim's post, and yours. I was just throwing some other things in the mix, while trying to figure if .80 per mile is going to work.

Will add this though? Good to see you in other threads. Many do not quite understand what's happening, and I don't pretend to know it all, or in absolute terms, but I know you do a lot of global type research, which extends beyond this Big Show we call a Republic. Be safe!

 

[OntarioVanMan]

RLENT

Don't think there's any plans to fire up the old war machine. These countries are all on board with globalism. The only ones who were not, were some Arab countries who temporarily left the reservation, while having other ideas in mind.

We have merged our education system with the Soviet Union, have all the trade agreements with China, and one only has to research Agenda 21 and sustainable development to see what this is all about. It's a world system being set up.

You've got to fire up the war machine...your whole economy is built on it.....imagine no wars/conflicts for 20-30 yrs.....10's of thousands out of work in Va's across the country as they empty out/close and lay off staff....dang the war complex/contractors/suppliers....whoa just the tip of the iceberg...

 

[Maverick]

You've got to fire up the war machine...your whole economy is built on it.....imagine no wars/conflicts for 20-30 yrs.....10's of thousands out of work in Va's across the country as they empty out/close and lay off staff....dang the war complex/contractors/suppliers....whoa just the tip of the iceberg...

LOL. Your right OVM.

A huge chunk of present system is filled with war machine. That's been the case ever since the fraud and political miscreant Eisenhower warned about it. Patton (a real General) should have slapped him upside the head.

Machine's been a rollin for a long time now. so no need to fire it up....it's entrenched.

 

[skyraider]

You all need to take up guitar, the harmonica, or a brass instrument and get a life...they will fit in your ride easily. Maybe start a jam session in the parking lot, well, its a thought....

 

[Maverick]

You all need to take up guitar, the harmonica, or a brass instrument and get a life...they will fit in your ride easily. Maybe start a jam session in the parking lot, well, its a thought....

Why? We be jammin here, man. Laptop already paid for.

 

[Pilgrim]

Pilgrim. I agree with most of your post, but leadership is most always reflective of populace, and vice versa. The morality went into the toilet, right along with personal responsibility and direction. This current POTUS is doing exactly what those who put him in office....tell him to do. Or one could look at it this way.....you don't get the job by flunking the interview.

Agreed. The voters are getting what they asked for, and the current POTUS is certainly doing his best to keep his campaign promises.

A world war is funded by the same entity, to both sides. The central world banks will loan it to whomever they want, and it will be all parties involved. When the smoke clears....they win, no matter what.

Sorry, but the World Bank doesn't work that way and wasn't even created until after WW2 for the purpose of reconstructing the devastated countries.

The World Bank is one of the world’s largest sources of funding and knowledge to support governments of member countries in their efforts to invest in schools and health centers, provide water and electricity, fight disease and protect the environment. This support is provided through project or policy-based loans and grants as well as technical assistance such as advice and studies.

The goal of the World Bank is to reduce poverty and to improve the living standards of the people in low and middle-income countries.

Social Development - What is the World Bank?

Let's not forget all the b*tching and moaning from many different sources about Bush (and now Obama) borrowing money from China to fund the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The funding methods for WW2 were totally different, and were possible due to the difference in our CULTURE at the time.

The big question is how to pay for it. To a degree that will surprise many, the US funded its World War II effort largely by raising taxes and tapping into Americans’ personal savings. Both of those avenues are nowhere near as promising today as they were in 1941.
Current tax burdens are now much higher than they were before the War, so raising taxes today would be much more difficult. The “Victory Tax” of 1942 sharply raised income tax rates and allowed, for the first time in our nation’s history, taxes to be withheld directly from paychecks. The hikes were originally intended to be temporary but have, of course, far outlasted their purpose. It would be unlikely that Americans would accept higher taxes today to fund a real war, let alone a pretend one.
That leaves savings, which was the War’s primary source of funding. During the War, Americans purchased approximately $186 billion worth of war bonds, accounting for nearly three quarters of total federal spending from 1941-1945. Today, we don’t have the savings to pay for our current spending, let alone any significant expansions. Even if we could convince the Chinese to loan us a large chunk of the $20 trillion (on top of the $1 trillion we already owe them), how could we ever pay them back?

20s Money » Blog Archive » World War 2 Did Not Lead America Out Of Depression

Fast forward to today's situation and see the relevance of conditions in Europe during the 1930s to that of the Middle East today, particularly with regard to Iran. Winston Churchill tried to warn the British and their allies about the trouble brewing in Germany, only to be labeled a "warmonger".

"Germany is arming fast, and no one is going to stop her," he told Parliament in March, 1934. "I dread the day when the means of threatening the heart of the British Empire should pass into the hands of the present rulers of Germany .... I dread that day, but it is not, perhaps, far distant."...

Hitler's aggression quickened in 1936 when the Nazis militarized the Rhineland. Churchill feverishly warned in a newspaper column that the Reich "is arming more strenuously, more scientifically and upon a larger scale, than any nation has ever armed before." Subscribers and critics derided him as Britain's "number one warmonger."...

On Sept. 30, 1938, Chamberlain hammered out a deal with Hitler, Italian dictator Benito Mussolini and French premier Edouard Daladier that ceded one third of Czechoslovakia to Germany. With the stroke of a pen, 11,000 square miles and 3.6 million people fell under Nazi rule. He flew back to England declaring "Peace with honour ... peace for our time."...

Winston Churchill: A lone voice warning of a storm | Pembroke Daily Observer

Keeping in mind Chamberlain's land-for-peace deal described above, does anyone see some similarities between that and the recent Obama deal (capitulation) with Iran's nuclear buildup? Remember the declaration from Benjamin Netanyahu that it was an "historic mistake"? Is he the same type of "warmonger" as Churchill? Time will tell.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has been labeled a warmonger, a wolf-crier and an opponent of peace at any price because of his policies on Iran...

Netanyahu is acting out of a deep sense of duty to defend Israel against an existential threat. Such dangers are rare in most countries' experience but are traumatically common in Israel's, and they render the price of ridicule irrelevant...

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/nov/21/opinion/la-oe-1121-oren-netanyahu-iran-20131121

Getting back to the main subject, it's the culture of the country that's ultimately responsible for electing an unqualified, inexperienced socialist who knows nothing about foreign affairs or economics. All these voters are concerned with is getting their free health care, welfare checks and food stamps while getting even with those evil rich 1 percenters. Whatever happens in other countries isn't our concern.

We're witnessing how the results of Obama's economic plan are working out; his foreign affairs plans are a work in progress.

 

[Maverick]

Well Pilgrim. The description of what the world bank does....would fit the same description of many mission statements found just about anywhere. In fact, they have done very little toward they're own stated purpose.

The World Bank is one of the world’s largest sources of funding and knowledge to support governments of member countries in their efforts to invest in schools and health centers, provide water and electricity, fight disease and protect the environment. This support is provided through project or policy-based loans and grants as well as technical assistance such as advice and studies.

The goal of the World Bank is to reduce poverty and to improve the living standards of the people in low and middle-income countries.

Disagree. The real purpose is to take over land masses, resources used for collateral, and then dictate what will, and will not happen within those countries. It's a global takeover. Their not helping anyone but themselves. Reduce poverty? Improve living standards? Window dressing, if done at all. The world is getting poorer for the masses, everywhere you look. They've done no such thing as helping anyone. (so far as the stated goal).

And I would take a good long look as to what really led up to WW2. One could begin with the Treaty of Versailles and what these people did to Germany. You may also want to look at why Hitler invaded Poland. Not the Wiki version.....the real one.