CSA2010 & the Maxican trucks.

[moose]

are you getting ready for CSA2010 ?

well here is a scenario :

they will make CSA2010 available for everyone need ,(for a fee ... )

then they will , obviously ,have to include the Canadian truckers in it .
now that they have a system set up and running , they will come and say , well , we can get the Mexican truckers finger printed , and into the same database , that way they cannot cross the border under a new identity every week, and we can monitor them .
heck , if Mexico don't have a system set up , we will set it here for them , so they will live up for the same standard as an American trucker .
(they will come up with some BS about integrated data with Mexico criminal and employment records...) .
give it a few years , and they can monitor truckers from all around the globe ,
and there you have it , the most cheap labor from around the world driving American trucks .

 

[TeamCaffee]

CSA 2010 in either going to be a companies and drivers worst nightmare or their best friend. The drivers are now going to be rated and that rating will follow you from company to company and you as a driver can help or hinder a companies score. From what I have seen drivers with a good score will really be an asset to a companies score. Your rating will follow you from carrier to carrier and as your score declines so will your job opportunities.

I see the carriers becoming a lot more reactive to speeding violations and out of service violations.

Moose will be interesting to see how the Mexicans and the Canadians are handled.

By the end of 2010 all of the states will be on the CSA 2010 program.

 

[greg334]

The bigger issue is the exemptions that some will have to have.

I mean bus crash injuries seems to be large and I have only seen a couple buses that travel at a legal speed on the highways. Will this program force states to enforce speeding laws when it comes to commercial buses or are we going to see the "I didn't see any greyhound fly by here".

Mexican trucks may not be covered because of NAFTA, I think NAFTA specific applies the regulations but not any program. I may be wrong about that but I heard it was done to prevent harassment of Mexican trucks by individual states.

Reading the crash data stats for 2007, it seems that speeding is the number one cause.

 

[chefdennis]

lets see, HOS rules, Log books, PITA DOT agents, now this CSA2010...all good reasons to stay under that magic # of 10,001 lbs gvw....

and with the all of the talk about Srtaight trucks goin broke and the # of repos available, sleeper comoanies going under, dealers not stocking expedite straight truck, i think we just might be seeing the business going back to where it started.... the VAN.....there will always be small lods that need to be somewhere yesterday and has the number of straights go by the wayside and more rules make it a PITA to do business, the small B-C units just might be where most need to be.....

 

[moose]

Reading the crash data stats for 2007, it seems that speeding is the number one cause.

A common mistake ,
that data show that none of the crashes happened do to driving over the posted speed , but that the # one cause is driving fast for the road conditions .

(i did not wanted to hijack the thread -like some did ,but had to point it out ...)

 

[moose]

I see the carriers becoming a lot more reactive to speeding violations and out of service violations.

not to forget BMI & driver health ,(a small item that will lead then's of thousands of truckers to the unemployment sector, bankruptcy and loosing everything they got...for no rezone...)

By the end of 2010 all of the states will be on the CSA 2010 program.

if you will , i will bet you a dinner plate at the KC casino , that they will not get it done on time .

 

[greg334]

Well this has to do with safety and trucks, so bare with me.

I had an interesting conversation with one of the developers at Ford. It seems they are working with another company to build cars with all kinds of safety features, lane departure, adaptive cruise and so on. Some of these features came from trucks (eaton vorad) and some has been in the works for a while.

As the conversation progress into the details of some of these features, there was a pause and then she explained that the worry was distractions among the "idiot drivers who can't handle simple tasks and panic when there is a squirrel near the road". I asked her if the mirror blind spot indicator would more or less cause a person to focus on the mirror and not the road, and her replay was in testing it, some of the techs did just that, anticipate the light and stayed focused on the light.

So after that, I thought about this; cab distractions from safety devices may be more of a problem than actually what they are trying to replace.

I mean ok you got lane departure stuff out there, but do you really need it? If you are tired and need it, then you shouldn't be driving in the first place. If you feel safer with it, then you lack the skills to drive the truck. I understand the need for aids like Eaton's vorad system where it enhances your ablity to drive safer, but some of the things they are talking about are more of a hassel then a help.

I am thinking back to a study that was done by a several of the auto companies when anti-lock brakes came out and they found an increase in rear end collisions and accidents where hard braking could have prevented the accident. They found that the safety sales pitch raised the expectations of the driver to be safe and causing them to relax to the point that they didn't have the right reaction time to deal with different situations while driving.

 

[Darmstadter]

Maybe you'll start seeing carriers offer pay rates commensurate with driving records? I see individual driver scores as a good thing--potentially.

 

[greg334]

Actually a driver rating may produce more of an issue.

Say you are a large company like the pumpkin and you have a chance to now aggressively recruit people to become truck drivers, putting them into a fast track system for training. Cut them loose on the road, and then if they make a mistake and it shows up on any rating, they are gone and another one is in their place quickly.

There already is a revolving door with many of these carriers, they don't care about safety because if they did, they would have good safety records to begin with. This causes what we see today, a lot of poor or marginal drivers on the road causing most of the aviodable accidents.

Even if CSA may look as a good thing, it really is and always will be a training issue that can prevent most of the accidents, even lessen the problems with unavoidable ones. One thing that CSA is looking at is medical issues, which is getting a bit too obvious that there is a lot more to medical requirements base not on safety but MONEY and a professional pilot's job is looking better than trucking for us fat people.

 

[TeamCaffee]

Maybe you'll start seeing carriers offer pay rates commensurate with driving records? I see individual driver scores as a good thing--potentially.

Exactly! The revolving door policy will have to change I believe as the companies score starts to rise.

 

[davekc]

Why do I get a funny feeling we will be giving millions to Mexico so they can participate in this?