CSA 2010 - The Elephant in the Room

TeamCaffee

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Steve Pollock, editor of Movin' Out has written a comprehensive driver friendly article in the October issue of this magazine.

I found the CSA article well written and educational from a driver’s standpoint.

You can read the article yourself in the October issue of Movin' Out or on their web site:
Movin' Out
or if you follow Movin' Out on Facebook he has started a discussion on CSA 2010 - The Elephant in the Room.

The article is lengthy and I have read it a few times with no distractions as to digest all that he writes.
 

dieseldiva

Veteran Expediter
Don't know why this won't link to the exact page so here is the story, so you don't have to dig for it....he's simplified CSA, for simple minds like mine..... thanks Linda......

[SIZE=+2]CSA 2010 – The Elephant In The Room[/SIZE]

By Steve Pollock
Comprehensive Safety Analysis (CSA 2010) is a program instituted by the Federal Motor Carrier Association (FMCSA) designed to gather data about carriers and drivers to help the agency improve effectiveness in compliance and enforcement programs. In the past using the Safe-Stat System, only carriers were assigned a safety rating – now drivers will have a direct impact on the rating as well.
The new system consists of four components:

  • Data Collection
  • Safety Measurements
  • Safety Evaluation
  • Interventions
The FMCSA is using three sources to compile data:

  • Roadside Inspections
  • Federally recorded crashes
  • Violations found during "interventions" or carrier audits
The FMCSA is assigning points to each violation in order to develop a driver and carrier safety profile. After the data is analyzed and drivers and carriers are given numerical scores, these scores are then used to calculate a safety measurement, which is used to compare the driver/carrier to their peers. Two points of clarification about data collection:

  • A federally recorded accident is any accident in which there is a fatality, someone must be transported to a hospital, or a vehicle must be towed from the scene.


  • During roadside inspections all violations will be logged, including warnings and moving violations. I.E. – Speeding as being the reason for being pulled over for the inspection to take place. Also, any "clean" inspections with no violations are also logged into the system.
The next component to CSA 2010 is the "SMS" or Safety Measurement System. Simplistically, the SMS is the process of categorizing violations and assigning points to each. In true government fashion, there is now a collective label for these violations, called "BASICS," which stands for Behavioral Analysis And Safety Improvement Categories. It's better to stick with "BASICS," I guess.

Here are the seven categories in the "BASICS:"

  • Unsafe Driving (includes traffic violations)
  • Fatigued Driving – relates to hours of service
  • Driving Fitness – having the correct driver's license and a current medical card
  • Controlled Substances and Alcohol – drug and alcohol violations
  • Vehicle Maintenance – relating to vehicle defects
  • Cargo Securement – encompassing load securement and Hazmat rules
  • Crash Indicator – includes all DOT recordable crashes
The Point System is perhaps the most misunderstood part of the program. Each safety violation will be assigned to one of the seven "BASICS" categories. Each violation is "severity weighted," meaning that violations not usually associated with a crash are given a lower point value. These points are "awarded" from 1 to 10. But there are two kickers with the Point System, any out-of-service violation gets an extra 2 points added and all safety related events are time-weighted. Time-weighted means that the more recent the violation, the more points it will carry. Violations occurring in the past 6 months will have a time-weighting of times 3 (3x), 6 months to 1 year carries a time-weighting of 2 (2x), and over 1 year ago will be a time-weighting of 1 (1x). The bottom line is, any points accrued within the past 6 months will be assigned at 3 times their base value. The accumulated points stay with the carrier for 24 months and with the driver for 36 months.


As this point (no pun intended), the FMCSA will catalog all the violations into their respective "BASICS" category and tally the points. The points will then be divided by a "normalizing factor," which essentially is like a school teacher grading on a curve. Carriers and drivers will be categorized into groups of similar size and freight category, to enable the FMCSA to establish a "Baseline" in each prospective category.


The next step is a safety evaluation by the FMCSA. Individual carrier and driver scores or "SMS" (Safety Measurement System) will be compared to comparable carriers and drivers within the group. The carrier/drivers will then receive a percentile ranking that serves as their actual "BASICS" score. The FMCSA will then measure the individual scores to determine if the carrier/driver is over the "Intervention Threshold." If this should occur, the FMCSA will have an "Intervention" with varying degrees of severity. It is good note however, that if a carrier is over the "Failing Threshold" in what are referred to as stand alone "BASICS," which are unsafe driving and fatigued driving (this means log violations, guys!), the FMCSA will drop the hammer and use the most severe interventions they can. In addition, if a carrier is over the failing threshold in any two or more of the remaining 5 "BASICS" categories, they will also be subject to the most severe interventions.


"Interventions" is a nicer word for "penalties," which has a rather negative connotation. As you may have guessed, these "interventions:" will have varying degrees of severity. If all is going well, neither carrier nor driver will have any kind of intervention. If things are not going so well, here is what can happen: The first level of intervention is a warning letter to the carrier or driver. If you can show, going forward through the "BASICS" score that the problem areas have been addressed with a significant reduction or non-accruement of points in a given area, then you can go about your business. If the carrier/driver continues to be above the "Intervention Threshold," they will be "flagged" in the inspection selection system. This system will also tell the inspector the problem area and score for the carrier/driver in that particular area, which will obviously be scrutinized. Both carrier and driver will be subject to increased roadside enforcement. This "intervention" affects both the driver and the carrier. The next is a FOCUSED OFF-SITE INVESTIGATION. This "intervention" pertains to the carrier, in which the carrier provides requested records to an FMCSA investigator to review. The next level of "intervention" is a FOCUSED ON-SITE INVESTIGATION in which the investigators carry out an on-site audit of the carrier's problem areas. If the "interventions" fail or if a carrier shows compelling reasons, the FMCSA can do a COMPREHENSIVE ON-SITE INVESTIGATION, which is basically a complete audit of all safety related aspects of the carrier's operations. The FMCSA can also request the carrier to develop a COOPERATIVE SAFETY PLAN, basically a plan to improve their safety deficiencies. A NOTICE OF VIOLATION can also be issued to the carrier or an individual driver as a formal way of notification about a specific safety issue. If an "intervention" doesn't go well, the FMCSA can issue a NOTICE OF CLAIM, PENALTY AND SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT or in working man’s lingo, a fine, possibly a significant one, maybe in the thousands of dollars. When it comes to "interventions" in the driver category, a driver can receive a WARNING LETTER, INCREASED ROADSIDE ENFORCEMENT (inspections), a NOTICE OF VIOLATION and/or a NOTICE OF CLAIM, PENALTY AND SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT. Of course if you hold your own authority you will be subject to all the ramifications that a carrier would be. An individual or carrier does have the right to an appeal, if you feel that there is bad data in the system or if you were treated unfairly during an intervention. Details about appeals are available on the FMCSA's website.


So how do the CSA scores affect you as a driver? First, even if you are flagged as a bad driver, there are currently no regulatory provisions for the FMCSA to revoke your CDL or personal driver's license. Also, violations, citations or warnings issued against you while driving your personal (passenger) vehicle will not enter the CSA Data Base. The only violations entered into CSA records will be those connected to roadside inspections and/or DOT recordable accidents. No points assigned in the new CSA regulations will be assigned to a driver's CDL. You will, however, have your own personal CSA rating which will follow the driver from carrier to carrier until the points expire at the end of the 3-year (36 months) period.


Any accumulated points by a driver only factor into the carrier's standing while the driver is employed or leased by that carrier. However, the carrier will be looking at the "PSP" or pre-employment screening program (driver's rating) before hiring you. To summarize, all violations/points in the new CSA system will be assigned to the carrier unless they determine it was one that the driver is responsible for or could have prevented. In this scenario the violation/points will be added to the driver's CSA data as well. What the new system does mean to the average driver is this: first you are under the microscope all the time. Even though you can't lose your CDL, many companies will choose not to hire you or will potentially have to "let you go" if you have too many accrued CSA points. As an owner-operator it may be difficult or very expensive to buy insurance. You will also be subject to regular roadside inspections, either personally or through the carrier you drive for/lease to.


This is why many carriers have become very selective about who they hire or lease. With the new CSA system individual driver points enter into the equation along with overall scores by the carrier. Carriers have to be more selective in order to keep from going beyond the FMCSA's Intervention Threshold. Ultimately a bad score for a carrier means frequent roadside inspections, higher insurance costs and FMCSA Interventions.
The FMCSA suggests that going forward, drivers concentrate on avoiding high value violations, as it will be difficult or nearly impossible to have a perfect SMS score. Here are some of the zingers to watch out for:

High Value Violations include:

•jumping an out-of-service order

•driving while ill, fatigued or under the influence

•falsifying logs

•operating over hours

•driving while your CDL is under suspension

High Value Vehicle Violations include:

•defective tires

•suspension defects

•steering system problems

•no flags or lights on projecting loads

•and improper cargo securement

The best way to avoid an "Intervention" according to the FMCSA is to strive for "clean" roadside inspections, stay in compliance and work with your carrier to be sure your data is accurate.


You need to also be aware that the new CSA System is scheduled to take effect in November 2010. The system will be retroactive, logging points and data from the previous 24 months for carriers and 36 months for individual drivers. For additional information about the new CSA System or appeals process, log onto www.fmcsa.dot.gov. There is a link that you can use to access your own CSA data and scores, it is ww.psp.fmcsa.dot.gov. The website is free, however there is a $10 charge to access your personal PSP data.


We have attempted to present a comprehensive explanation of the new CSA 2010 regulations as they primarily relate to the driver. If you have additional questions about the system, contact the FMCSA direct or via their website or talk with a safety professional at your carrier of lease or employment. We would also like to thank Mr. Ralph Sandine, Safety Director at Miller Transfer for supplying much valuable data and input regarding the regulations. The purpose of this editorial is not to open a forum about the fairness or impact of the new regulations, but to offer an objective understanding of what they are and how they will work.
 

x06col

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US Army
Yepper it is the samo, samo. Keep your logs in order, Keep your Equipment in shape, Don't crash with anyone.......an life is good. All the non-risk-a folks have nothing to fear except fear itsef of....being harrassed a bit by the man.

What a small price to pay. for this wunnerful lifestyle!!
 

ATeam

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Retired Expediter
The Pollock piece is informative, as many of the CSA articles are. It also lacks what many of the CSA articles lack; namely, reporting on how CSA 2010 has been delayed, amended, delayed more and amended more, with no sign of that cycle abating anytime soon.

The industry power brokers have been punching and counter-punching each other for years over this program which was first to have been fully in effect at the beginning of 2010. One result of that bickering is that only a tiny percentage of carriers have even bothered to look at the CSA scores that are now available to them. And why should they? This is the FMCSA we are talking about. You know, the agency that has been kicking HOS around for ten years and still does not have it resolved.

There has been a lot of talk about the changes CSA will cause in our industry but other than already-conscientious drivers tidying up their ships a bit I see no meaningful changes on the ground.

A stream of messages coming over the Qualcomm about BASICs is not a meaningful change. It is noise. A ton of ink in trucking magazines is not a meaningful change. It is writers piling onto the fashion topic of the day. A government web site presenting the facts about CSA 2010 is not a meaningful change, it is bureaucratic drivel about something that was supposed to happen months ago and has not happened yet. Webinars, conferences and training companies rising to sell their CSA services to carriers and drivers is not meaningful change, it is entrepreneurial profiteers rising to make a buck off the fear the noise and confusion produces.

Meaningful change might look something like being able to view the highway for 30 minutes of night driving and seeing all truck lights working. It might look like seeing truck drivers wake up at truck stops and actually do pre-trip inspections before driving off. It might look like peeking into a recruiter-filled driver orientation classroom and seeing people who are at least making an effort to look and act professional. It might look like carrier-offered driver training lasting more than three weeks and including serious time with trainees behind the wheel. It might look like shippers changing their practices such that drivers see that the shippers really get it about respecting a driver's time. It might look like a driver shortage so severe that most carriers would offer bonuses not for signing on but for driving safe for a year and staying with the company that long.

There has been a lot of noise about CSA 2010. If readers know of MEANINGFUL changes that CSA has produced, I'd love to hear of them and see specific examples pointed out.
 

Bruno

Veteran Expediter
Fleet Owner
US Marines
The Pollock piece is informative, as many of the CSA articles are. It also lacks what many of the CSA articles lack; namely, reporting on how CSA 2010 has been delayed, amended, delayed more and amended more, with no sign of that cycle abating anytime soon.

The industry power brokers have been punching and counter-punching each other for years over this program which was first to have been fully in effect at the beginning of 2010. One result of that bickering is that only a tiny percentage of carriers have even bothered to look at the CSA scores that are now available to them. And why should they? This is the FMCSA we are talking about. You know, the agency that has been kicking HOS around for ten years and still does not have it resolved.

There has been a lot of talk about the changes CSA will cause in our industry but other than already-conscientious drivers tidying up their ships a bit I see no meaningful changes on the ground.

A stream of messages coming over the Qualcomm about BASICs is not a meaningful change. It is noise. A ton of ink in trucking magazines is not a meaningful change. It is writers piling onto the fashion topic of the day. A government web site presenting the facts about CSA 2010 is not a meaningful change, it is bureaucratic drivel about something that was supposed to happen months ago and has not happened yet. Webinars, conferences and training companies rising to sell their CSA services to carriers and drivers is not meaningful change, it is entrepreneurial profiteers rising to make a buck off the fear the noise and confusion produces.

Meaningful change might look something like being able to view the highway for 30 minutes of night driving and seeing all truck lights working. It might look like seeing truck drivers wake up at truck stops and actually do pre-trip inspections before driving off. It might look like peeking into a recruiter-filled driver orientation classroom and seeing people who are at least making an effort to look and act professional. It might look like carrier-offered driver training lasting more than three weeks and including serious time with trainees behind the wheel. It might look like shippers changing their practices such that drivers see that the shippers really get it about respecting a driver's time. It might look like a driver shortage so severe that most carriers would offer bonuses not for signing on but for driving safe for a year and staying with the company that long.

There has been a lot of noise about CSA 2010. If readers know of MEANINGFUL changes that CSA has produced, I'd love to hear of them and see specific examples pointed out.

Good Post Phil

Looks like the DOT may not need as many officers if they try to weed out the so called bad drivers. Less trucks on the road means less road taxs and money for the states. Which in turn means less DOT officers are needed for the job.
 

Dynamite 1

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i agree, not much to worry ones self about. keep in order like you are suppose to and all will be fine. also keep in mind that if there is no dot inspection form done along with the infraction you are being ticketed or warned for then there are no csa points, these will only affect your license and insurance. most people dont know this cause they seem to not mention it if not asked.
 

ATeam

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Retired Expediter
also keep in mind that if there is no dot inspection form done along with the infraction you are being ticketed or warned for then there are no csa points, these will only affect your license and insurance.

My understanding is different about the completion of a DOT inspection form and CSA points. Are you saying that if a trooper pulls you over and cites you for say a speeding violation of 5 mph over the posted limit but does not complete a DOT inspection form, the violation carries no CSA points? Please elaborate.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
Yepper it is the samo, samo. Keep your logs in order, Keep your Equipment in shape, Don't crash with anyone.......an life is good. All the non-risk-a folks have nothing to fear except fear itsef of....being harrassed a bit by the man.

Actually Dave - the above bold comment is the best statement about the CSA 2010 that anyone can make.

It is a non-issue unless you have an issue with keeping your truck in good shape and playing by the rules.

For a few, they are over complicating the simple.
 

Dynamite 1

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yes, to my understanding from several interviews on the lockridge report. we have been listening closely cause he seems to have the best info. if i am misunderstanding info though. please let me know. from all we have investigated thats the way it is stated. you will get points or however your state does it [ we dont do points in illinois ] against your license and insurance premiums might go up, but no inspection form no csa points. however they are using the reason for stopping you to do a inspection. just make sure the officer stopping you is qualified to do a inspection. there are rules they should follow also but rarely do, but being qualified is a biggie. im not gonna let some local give me a inspection.
on a totally different note. has anyone been dot'd down on 10 or 20 and passed only to find out they have no cvsa stickers, that is another one of those rules they should follow but dont, i think. i was told by a district commander in ms. that if a scale or roving dot officer has no stickers then they should not be doing a level 1 inspection. level 2 and 3 yes cause stickers are not involved but not a 1. anybody have any input on this?
 

bobwg

Expert Expediter
My understanding is different about the completion of a DOT inspection form and CSA points. Are you saying that if a trooper pulls you over and cites you for say a speeding violation of 5 mph over the posted limit but does not complete a DOT inspection form, the violation carries no CSA points? Please elaborate.

If you get a ticket or warning you will get CSA points even if there is no dot inspection form
 

ATeam

Senior Member
Retired Expediter
The following comes from this FMCSA document:

"Both CSMS and DSMS assess an individual entity’s performance by BASIC and Crash Indicators calculated from information collected during on-road safety inspections and state-reported CMV crash records. These data are recorded in the Motor Carrier Management Information System (MCMIS)."

This supports Dynamite 1's view. However, note that an inspection does not need to be a level 1, 2, or 3. Diane and I learned the other day about a level 5 inspection after going through one.

It was at a California scale. The officer ordered Diane in for an inspection and asked her to turn off the reefer. She advised the officer that turning off the reefer may destroy the load. Upon learning of the contents, the officer agreed and released us to leave. He said Diane could go to the office to pick up her inspection report if she wished. She did. It was a level 5 inspection. Other than watching the truck pull into the bay, the only thing the officer actually inspected was Diane's CDL.

Because they keep changing, I have not recently immersed myself in the CSA details. It may be right what you are saying but it seems hard to believe that if you blow through a speed zone in a small town and Barney Fife cites you for 20 mph over the speed limit and the charge sticks, but Fife did not complete a DOT inspection form, that violation would not show up as CSA points. It may be true, but I find it hard to believe.

Note also that numerous moving violations are listed in the CSA point chart in the above-referenced document. It seems that if a moving violation is observed by an officer, the inspection begins then. So too with an equipment violation that happens to be seen by an officer exiting the donut shop.

Another thing t note is that your carrier will be aware of all violations, whether a DOT form is completed or not. A carrier may have its own way of tallying up CSA points such that a Barney Fife ticket counts as much as all other violations in carrier decisions made about which drivers to keep and which to pitch.
 
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TeamCaffee

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I have had a level one and the scale was out of stickers. Pretty much I was told such is life you passed have a nice day.
 

TeamCaffee

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I agree it is business as usual. When a driver goes into CSA 2010 with no point the business has been run right and there has not been a case of whoops which can happen to anyone. A clearance light can go out as you pull onto the scale.

Those that have not paid much attention to these rules I hope will read through how deadly these rules can get when looking for the next job.

Our CDL is very important to us and we want it to stay clean.
 

ATeam

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If you get a ticket or warning you will get CSA points even if there is no dot inspection form

That was my understanding too, but how do you know? Can you cite an official source that says this?
 

ATeam

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Retired Expediter
I have had a level one and the scale was out of stickers. Pretty much I was told such is life you passed have a nice day.

The same has happened to us. It was in California. The officer complained a bit about the people who are supposed to order stickers but that was it. The inspection was completed and no sticker was given.
 

mrgoodtude

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I appreciate the post and the link to PSP.
I pulled my record and have an OOS violation in AL dating back to Jan 08 for not wearing corrective lenses and or hearing apparatus..
Not required to according to my CDL:cool:
Had to go to Data Q's and challenge the violation (hopefully it works?)..
 

nightcreacher

Veteran Expediter
As of end of Sept this year,all my violations have dropped off do to them now being over three years old,except the chargeable deer I hit.NO ticket there,just charged by FDCC
 

x06col

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Hey night, are ya gonna go back to the fedup folks someday, and get s'more of that punishment??
 

skyraider

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US Navy
The 2010 thingy: I don't drive a big rig, but what a bunch of xyzt that thing is. I guess the DOT has to pick on someone these days, as If they get off on The Man with a Badge Syndrome. Now don't u all forget and not wash ur hands for 3 minutes in the bathroom, wouldn't want u all to catch a cold , lol. good luck to u all who have to hoop jump and pony ride to make a living. I would ascertain that rules like these are brought to us because a few drivers have acted like u know whats and have elected to not keep up the equipment and to speed when they can.......oboy, it never ends....:) PS, my son owns his own tractor, hes totally trilled with more regulation, not...:rolleyes:
 

MYGIA

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Owner/Operator
The same has happened to us. It was in California. The officer complained a bit about the people who are supposed to order stickers but that was it. The inspection was completed and no sticker was given.

We are to have everything we need to do our job correctly - logs, permits, seals, back up parts, and on and on. No excuse! So why is it OK for them not to have an adequate supply of stickers to properly recognize and reward a successful level 1 inspection?
 
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