CSA 2010 Question
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Yes. On the Driver/Vehicle examination report.
He also put us OOS for 15 minutes while I changed it, then reinspected, gave us a window sticker and sent us on our way.
I-10 in Banning, CA.
And it was a complete level 1 including log book, med card and anything else you could think of. 30 minutes waiting to get in. 60 minutes for the inspection. 10 minutes to change the bulb and 5 to get a reinspection and the sticker.
What really upsets me is it was working at the shipper 6 hours earlier. I was behind the truck as my wife backed onto the dock and the 4 ways and brake lights were working.
Any vehicle can have a bulb go out. How are you to know until you stop?
greg334
Veteran Expediter
It makes a case for LED lights. I had the same thing happen a few years back, pulled into the dock, could see the light in the reflection of the door but got stopped for a brake light out. The cop was good about it, he asked if I had a bulb and told me replace it right there while he watched.
Yes.
The officer may have thought he was giving you a break by letting you change the bulb instead of issuing you a citation but with the violation documented, you get to be the proud new owner of some CSA points.
You already know the answer to that question. The answer is, you don't know. And this is where CSA 2010 will drive some drivers out of the business and negatively impact freight flow.
Some drivers will simply decide that they have had enough of big brother and get out of trucking. Some will be forced out because they have too many CSA points. That leaves those who will at least try to keep on trucking as long as we can.
Word is getting out about CSA points and equipment violations that did not used to have CSA points attached, but can now threaten your very eligibility to drive a truck. I believe that will prompt driver behavior changes that will put truck maintenance ahead of customer service, and for very good reason.
I can see it happening where a trucker under load, on whose truck a minor equipment defect is discovered while en route, will take a service failure and head to the nearest shop before crossing the next scale. For a high-points driver, its a choice between a service failure, which gives a driver a black mark on his or her carrier record, or the CSA points that will break the camel's back and force the driver out of trucking.
This puts expedite carriers in a real pickle since minor equipment defects discovered en route were historically considered to be no big deal. They will be difficult to explain to the customer with delayed freight. A burned out light is not a force majeure event. A customer may legitimately demand a refund for the late shipment. Does the carrier then penalize the driver by collecting money back? Talk about a no-win situation for the driver and carrier!
Consignee to carrier: "Now let me get this straight, your driver had a tail light go out on the way to my plant, and for that my assembly line stayed down for four additional hours?"
It really does happen that lights that were working at the last stop burn out while you are driving down the road. What's a driver to do? At this point, bend over and take it. We can get more diligent and thorough in doing pre-trip, post-trip and during-trip inspections; but unless your co-driver can run really fast, it is difficult to monitor your flash, turn and tail lights every time you use them.
There is good news. As CSA 2010 contributes to the predicted driver shortage, drivers with clean or low CSA points records will feel the love. When that happens, they will have the opportunity to demand a premium for even being in the game.
Keeping in mind how easy it came to shippers and carriers to lower our rates when the recession produced a driver surplus, payback time will come when the shortage develops.
Yes, it is ridiculous to put employment-significant points on a driver's record for a minor equipment defect that can be rectified on the spot. But if that's the way "they" want it, I won't get upset. I'll get compensated.
If "they" are willing to put my job and truck on the line with every tail light that burns out, I am more than willing to demand higher pay to take that risk -- especially when fewer and fewer drivers can be found to haul the freight I am qualified and willing to haul.
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moose
Veteran Expediter
part 5 of CSA2010 (Vehicle Maintenance ,part 393 & 396)
this is one prime example ,of how CSA will put us all out of work ,regardless of our professionalism . you can do everything right and still be placed OOS .
making room for cheap labor.
what happened to you ,can ,& will,happened to every single one of us,just a matter of time .
the only thing i can advise ,is to get the Pre-Pass device.
sorry .
Moose. We already have pre pass. They were bringing everyone in.
A-Team. Agree with all you said.
My wife just told me that after we were reinspected and she went into the office to get her license the CHP Officer told her there would be no citation and no points.
Apparently the guys inspecting the trucks are not CHP officers and do not make any decisions on what action to take. We did get our CVSA sticker on the reinspect. I guess it will depend on whether or not the inspection is sent to the FMCSA or if the CHP officer decided it was just a warning since it was corrected on the spot.
A-Team. Agree with all you said.
My wife just told me that after we were reinspected and she went into the office to get her license the CHP Officer told her there would be no citation and no points.
Apparently the guys inspecting the trucks are not CHP officers and do not make any decisions on what action to take. We did get our CVSA sticker on the reinspect. I guess it will depend on whether or not the inspection is sent to the FMCSA or if the CHP officer decided it was just a warning since it was corrected on the spot.
moose
Veteran Expediter
talk about bad day ! ,in 6 years of driving in/out of cal. ,i pass that scalehouse all the time ,and was NeverEver pulled in .
[/QUOTE]Apparently the guys inspecting the trucks are not CHP officers and do not make any decisions on what action to take.[/QUOTE]
if you have any paper trail of the OOS service order ,i'd be calling and faxing it over to OOIDA ,as well as looking for those Cal. trucks lawyers .(they can really help!)
something fishy going on .
Time to re-angle that rear mount camera on the tail end to monitor lights....
nightcreacher
Veteran Expediter
time to turn your CB on,When going near any scale,it pays to listen if they are checking,always stop and check your lights before going into any scale that may be checking.You could have a light go out while entering the scale,but if you show you just stopped on your log book and did an inspection,you won't get a ticket,maybe a warning,but under the new rules that get points too.YOu can say you just checked all and all were ok before entering scale,you have an out.
My last ticket in California,been years ago now,i was told,officer writing the ticket,couldn't sign off on the ticket.
My last ticket in California,been years ago now,i was told,officer writing the ticket,couldn't sign off on the ticket.
I wonder if the carriers are going to realize how ridiculous some of this is becoming?
Will they get rid of a driver over a burned out tail light?
How many points will a carrier let you have and will they look at what the points are for?
It seems that there are a lot worse offenses then a burned out bulb and some do not carry as high of a point value.
Luckily we both had clean licenses before this.
Will they get rid of a driver over a burned out tail light?
How many points will a carrier let you have and will they look at what the points are for?
It seems that there are a lot worse offenses then a burned out bulb and some do not carry as high of a point value.
Luckily we both had clean licenses before this.
greg334
Veteran Expediter
Just because there was no citation or points means little. If in fact that it was documented on paper, I think the company will consider that a 'warning' as prescribed by the CSA 2010 and treat it the same as a ticket.
You should call compliance and ask them.
Feel the love?
You got to be frickn' kidding me?
The thing that this does give the company is leverage over ALL drivers and as I witnessed at one company who likes to terminate contracts for stupid reasons, it will open the door up for abuse because of the lack of recourse a driver has.
You should call compliance and ask them.
Feel the love?
You got to be frickn' kidding me?
The thing that this does give the company is leverage over ALL drivers and as I witnessed at one company who likes to terminate contracts for stupid reasons, it will open the door up for abuse because of the lack of recourse a driver has.
the points don't stay on your record forever for crying out loud...just follow the rules the best you can...and gitter done..
greg334
Veteran Expediter
The points don't - that's right but there is a question of abuse from the company either to mitigate their level of safety or by ridding themselves of owners/drivers.
Imagine E-1 wanted to rid themselves of the 150 or so Sprinters because they were tired of some drivers complaining all the time in a forum. They could play games with you when you got a citation (or warning) because of the CSA 2010. So taillight out, too bad contract terminated.
Imagine E-1 wanted to rid themselves of the 150 or so Sprinters because they were tired of some drivers complaining all the time in a forum. They could play games with you when you got a citation (or warning) because of the CSA 2010. So taillight out, too bad contract terminated.
Bull...E-1 could terminate me at any time and not even give a reason.....they don't need 2010 for that...
chefdennis
Veteran Expediter
If my memory serves me right, E-1 doesn't require a CDL for the drivers of Sprinters or CV's...so there is nothing for anyone to register points against...
Nope, they don't..but I just happen to have a CDL...so I guess that makes me scr3wed....
I got a warning letter 2 weeks ago. It contained a 94 point tally for unsafe driving. This was the result of me parking in the RV section at an Ohio Turnpike service plaza (big truck parking was crammed). The data entry for unsafe driving, as I "disregarded a traffic control device".
The challenge system works pretty well. It got fixed pretty quickly when I submitted my complaint online.
The system is seriously flawed. I just think it's going to take some time for the government idiots to figure that out.
The challenge system works pretty well. It got fixed pretty quickly when I submitted my complaint online.
The system is seriously flawed. I just think it's going to take some time for the government idiots to figure that out.