CSA 2010 maybe one good thing?

[bobwg]

This might sound harsh but If there is one good thing that could happen with the CSA 2010 maybe most of the drivers that end up losing jobs will be the lazy,rude, selfish ones. Here is the latest example I ran into at a truck stop this week at a TA all fuel pumps full pulled in behind one and sat and waited saw no one around the truck so walked up to check and there was the driver and passenger/co driver sitting there eating on the fuel pump while other trucks waiting to get fuel the driver looked at me and kept eating, I tapped on the door and oh did the fireworks start he rolled down the window and started cussing and saying dont touch my truck. I said could you pull forward so some more people could get fuel and he said F@#k you and rolled up the window so i walked back waited some more finally he left after another 5 minutes. In my opinoin these people are probably the same ones that are unsafe drivers on the road speeding and tailgating etc so if they get kicked out of the industry no sympathy from me. just my thought for the day

 

[greg334]

I think it is going to be a great thing. Maybe it will be the start of getting rid of the cowboys, the idiots and maybe cause some to take things seriously.

I had one the other day who first tried to pass me on an exit lane (seems like Canadians like to do that), when he did pass me, he was talking on the phone, waving his arms all over while controlling the steering wheel with his knees letting his truck weave all over between two lanes.

I don't worry about CSA 2010 like others who are so in a panic that they are fearful of moving their truck. I see it as business as usual.

As for dufus you ran into - it happens to all of us at one time or another. I wouldn't let it get to you because they are one day going to say the wrong thing to the wrong person and get very hurt over it. I saw it happen a couple times.

 

[cheri1122]

I hope you're right, but with new drivers coming in all the time, it may make no difference in the long run.
When stuck behind a truck parked on the fuel lane, I've asked the desk clerk to page a request for the truck to move, and that gets results. Or you could call the driver's dispatcher, if the phone number's handy - such rude drivers need a wake up call, IMO.

 

[guido4475]

What alot of drivers fail to realize is what they do today is going to affect them when it all starts up, the CSA 2010.And I have heard it from alot of companies alot of the bad drivers are going to be in for a rude awakening when it starts, or beforehand, because alot of companies have begun to take a proactive approach and eliminate those bad ones from their company, from their own discretion as well as their insurance companies as well.They have to protect their CSA points rating, just as we do, and will feel no pain in eliminating drivers to keep it within the acceptable guidelines.

I hope this all encourages the drivers that are habitual in accidents, tickets, or whatever, to hone their driving skills all the much better to prevent this from happening.I am seeing this more and more everyday, drivers being distracted by the simplest of things, drifting over into the lane next to them, unaware of what they are doing.We all have to pay attention to what we all are doing ,not just pay attention to what we,ourselves are doing.I am not perfect, had only 1 accident since 1989,but it was my not paying attention as well as stupidity that was the cause of it,and I am lucky to be alive.I fell asleep at the wheel after running form Georgia to Ohio, Ohio to Clearfield, Utah, and back to Ohio, non-stop.I rear-ended another stopped semi,and by the time it was said and done the engine and transmission were sheared off of the frame,onto the ground under the truck, with the back of the trailer in front of me against the windshield of my now totalled truck.I learned from my mistake,and lost the truck I loved the most out of all of my trucks owned.It is not worth the money to run like that,and anybody that thinks it is is just plain stupid, amongst other things.I was 3 miles away from home when this happened.Go figure.

My dad, who logged 4 million miles driving with no accidents once told me, "The day you think you know everything about driving is the day you need to park it". We all get too comfortable, sometimes,myself included.Think about it.I'm just sayin"

 

[moose]

O'h yah ,the warm fuzzy feeling of looking up to the Gov. to solve our problems...

 

[hwteam]

We are already seeing the upside. We are getting a great rate per mile because of our excellent score. We are in a company truck, they are a small company willing to pay what it takes to get good safe teams.

 

[TeamCaffee]

We are already seeing the upside. We are getting a great rate per mile because of our excellent score. We are in a company truck, they are a small company willing to pay what it takes to get good safe teams.

I hope what you are seeing will become the norm. The O/O with no points are low points are going to become a valuable commodity.

 

[layoutshooter]

I don't think that carriers yet grasp the idea that drivers with low scores are worth anything. Maybe in the future they will. When I here, "our way or the highway" I REALLY doubt that they care about CSA scores. I have been told that by 3 people from my carrier to date. Either put up or shut up. NOT good. How do I know, as a driver. that my carrier is worth anything under the new CSA rules. This runs both ways.

WE did NOT get a "you are a screw up" letter from our carrier. What does us get us? NOTHING!!! Submit or leave is ALL we have been told!! That is NEVER the way to win points!!!

Every thing runs two ways.

I KNOW that carriers have little concerns about individual drivers. Anyone who know this business knows that carriers can replace us in a heart beat. Now we no longer even have the illusion that they care!!

 

[layoutshooter]

I don't think that carriers yet grasp the idea that drivers with low scores are worth anything. Maybe in the future they will. When I here, "our way or the highway" I REALLY doubt that they care about CSA scores. I have been told that by 3 people from my carrier to date. Either put up or shut up. NOT good. How do I know, as a driver. that my carrier is worth anything under the new CSA rules. This runs both ways.

WE did NOT get a "you are a screw up" letter from our carrier. What does us get us? NOTHING!!! Submit or leave is ALL we have been told!! That is NEVER the way to win points!!!

Every thing runs two ways.

I KNOW that carriers have little concerns about individual drivers. Anyone who know this business knows that carriers can replace us in a heart beat. Now we no longer even have the illusion that they care!!

 

[greg334]

I hope what you are seeing will become the norm. The O/O with no points are low points are going to become a valuable commodity.

I keep hearing this but I am on the side it will take a lot more than CSA 2010 and a lot of changes how things are done on the regulatory side to even become nearly a fact.

Without proper training and a tightening up on testing to get a license coupled with a more stringent enforcement of regulations through increased LEOs on the job, there will continue to be a revolving door within the recruiting and hiring groups of these carriers and the value of the good driver will still not be important to the carrier as will keeping the freight moving.

The BS is spread thickly when it comes to selling the CSA 2010 with this hard sell by behavioral changes (READ F E A R ) that unless you do thing perfectly, you will lose your job.

I think commodity is the wrong word to use, once we become a commodity we are less than a value to any carrier.

 

[ATeam]

I KNOW that carriers have little concerns about individual drivers. Anyone who know this business knows that carriers can replace us in a heart beat. Now we no longer even have the illusion that they care!!

In the present state of things, it is true what you say. We can have pristine records, sparkling equipment and glowing customer service reports, while the sloppiest slob in the junkiest truck in the fleet gets paid the same and has access to the same load opportunities we do (presuming the same qualifications and equipment).

In theory, CSA will change that by making the better drivers more desirable and the worse drivers less desirable (presuming that the slob driving and junk equipment will result in more citations and CSA points). Time will tell if that will happen.

In pre-CSA days, carriers showed little regard for merit and professionalism, taking a meat-in-the-seat approach instead and playing a numbers game with driver turnover that exceeded 100 percent. I do not believe carriers all of a sudden got religion about safety and professionalism because of CSA. I am watching with a keen eye to see how, in the CSA environment, they will develop ways to meet their driver number needs while paying them as little as possible.

Not related directly to this thread, I am also eager to see how expedite carrier safety scores stack up against each others when that CSA information becomes publically available. It will be interesting to see if there is a direct relationship between better CSA scores and the safety overkill approach a carrier may take.

CSA has been delayed and been changed significantly since it was first announced, largely because of lobbying by the ATA members, and largely in ways that benefit the same. While I like the concept behind CSA and believe it will help produce a driver shortage, I am not counting the chickens before they hatch.

We have yet to see a CSA-induced driver shortage shock carriers out of their meat-in-the-seat approach and into into seeing good contractors as valuable assets.