Costs of Leaving Panther?

[paullud]

Good example of why it's better to respond to the post and not the poster. When the topic is changed to become personal (speculating as to why someone believes the way they do), the response is usually to make it personal right back. And then back and forth and back and forth. Most of that is probably better off in a PM.

I thought that the two things were connected completely since they were both about trying to be successful and the issue of changing carriers. We all have stated personal beliefs, feelings, and details of our lives but I don't know why someone would get so offended over having those actions questioned. I have no problem with someone telling me spending money at a casino is a waste, it is their opinion and I opened myself up to criticism by publicly stating I was doing so.

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[Turtle]

Yes, the two things are connected completely, except they are disconnected completely by different threads. They are connected if and only if you are replying to the poster and not the post. You brought something from outside the current thread, into the current thread, in order to make a personal comment. His stated personal beliefs, feelings and details of his life outside of this thread have no place in this particular thread, unless he opens the door in this thread for such comments or questions.

You made a personal comments (instead of staying with the topic of the thread), and what did he do? Right on cue, in perfectly predicable human nature fashion, he came right back with a personal comment towards you. And then back and forth it goes.That's how it works when conversations strays from the topic and goes personal. More often than not, the original topic of discussion ends, or is severely hampered. Most of that belongs in a PM, or at the very least in some other thread where that is the topic.

You brought up the subject of gambling in this thread, you opened that door, in this thread. But it would be inappropriate for someone else to interject it in some other thread that had nothing to do with your casino activities, especially if it were done in order to take a cheap shot at you personally. The mere fact that you've mentioned it previously in some other thread is irrelevant. For example, you start, or post in a thread, where you are short on cash for some reason or another, and then someone takes a swipe about you shouldn't be gambling. That's out of line, unless you bring it up in that thread first.

All I'm saying is, it's something to think about. Reply to the post, not the poster. Newbies and people reading these threads weeks, months or years from now won't know what he said in some other thread, nor will they care. It's got nothing to do with the topic of leaving Panther or how to deal with the reasons why he wants to leave. Like I said, it's something to consider when crafting a reply to someone's post.

 

[paullud]

All I'm saying is, it's something to think about. Reply to the post, not the poster. Newbies and people reading these threads weeks, months or years from now won't know what he said in some other thread, nor will they care. It's got nothing to do with the topic of leaving Panther or how to deal with the reasons why he wants to leave. Like I said, it's something to consider when crafting a reply to someone's post.

Understood, I guess it was more of my perspective since I view my activities here to be a continuous action and what I state publicly might be something that could be questioned later. I will make sure to treat the posts and poster as separate entities in the future.

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[Turtle]

Sometimes it's hard to do that, I know. Familiarity with others in the community lends itself to that. I come from Usenet where you could literally change your nick (nickname, username) with every post you made, so you truly didn't know who you were replying to a lot of the time. It forced you to reply to the post itself, rather than the poster. It also helped a lot for those reading the threads weeks or months later where they didn't have to deal with references outside the thread that they might not otherwise be aware of. But over the years I've found that it works very well even in smaller Web communities when people reply to the post and more or less pretend they don't even know who they are responding to. So, the whole "reply to the post and not the poster" thing is my little Hobby Horse, because it tends to keep things on topic, less personal, and more civil.

 

[skyraider]

Just don't make a movie, the world will go up in flames.

 

[Moot]

Then you can use the rules to your advantage.

Excellent advice!

 

[Moot]

wvcourier, do you own the van? If so, you should be able to log in with your owner number on the owner website. If you are having problems logging in, call Panther.

If you are driving for an owner and filing out delivery receipts properly for dry runs, then maybe the owner is keeping the money. If I am informed of a load canceling by phone, I ask for the dry run info to be sent via the QC with dollar amount included. If it comes across the QC just as "load canceled", I send a message requesting pro number and dollar amount. As mentioned earlier, get everything documented.

In my opinion it is very difficult to make a living driving a cargo van for an owner. 3-6 months, sure, its a great way to learn the business and to see if you like expediting. While driving for an owner, think like an owner. Pretend the van is yours. Keep track of all expenses, including repairs. Know what the van grosses on every load. Research the cost of common replacement parts like tires, batteries, etc. Think of ways to improve the comfort and efficiency of the van. Talk with other owners and check out their vans. Do some research into past threads on E.O.

When you have compiled this info and experience, run the numbers to see if you can make a living owning a van. Then buy a van or find a real job.